My goodness, does it ever end

OneEyedDiva said:
Oh Gaer. There's so much the mainstream media does not report! Not just about COVID either.
Re the OP: I have a friend who has been claiming for months that this is the case. They are over reporting by including questionable deaths in the COVID numbers.
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The mainstream media is far from perfect but qualified journalists are far superior to the manufactured nonsense one gets on facebook. Talk about fear mongering.
 

win231 said:
You're probably assuming that anyone who doesn't want the Covid vaccine is an "Anti Vaxxer." A common misconception & an attempt to make those who choose not to get a Covid vaccine seem "wacko & way out there." Funny how those who don't want the vaccine have no need to ridicule those who choose to get vaccinated.
You are also confusing "Fear" with "Caution."
As I've always said, health decisions belong to each individual & no one else.
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Is that how you felt about the polio vaccine?
 
SeaBreeze said:
Not about agreeing with me win, try and keep up. It's about linking to known conspiracy sites and spreading the BS here for people like you to embrace. 🤡 If I agreed with you two, they'd have to put me in a nuthouse, that will never happen, I can tell reality from nonsense propaganda and conspiracy.
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They won't bother putting you in a nuthouse because they know you'll just escape.
Again.
 

Vaccines for chickenpox, rubella, hepatitis, rabies, are all made by growing the viruses in fetal cells.

All of these, except the COVID-19 vaccine, are made using fibroblast cells. The COVID-19 vaccine is made using fetal retinal cells.

Fibroblast cells are the cells needed to hold skin and other connective tissue together. The fetal fibroblast cells used to grow vaccine viruses were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s.

These same fetal cells obtained from the early 1960s have continued to grow in the laboratory and are used to make vaccines today. NO further sources of fetal cells are needed to make these vaccines.

Even though fetal cells are used to grow vaccine viruses, vaccines do NOT contain these cells or pieces of DNA that are recognizable as human DNA.

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Shero said:
Vaccines for chickenpox, rubella, hepatitis, rabies, are all made by growing the viruses in fetal cells.

All of these, except the COVID-19 vaccine, are made using fibroblast cells. The COVID-19 vaccine is made using fetal retinal cells.

Fibroblast cells are the cells needed to hold skin and other connective tissue together. The fetal fibroblast cells used to grow vaccine viruses were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s.

These same fetal cells obtained from the early 1960s have continued to grow in the laboratory and are used to make vaccines today. NO further sources of fetal cells are needed to make these vaccines.

Even though fetal cells are used to grow vaccine viruses, vaccines do NOT contain these cells or pieces of DNA that are recognizable as human DNA.

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...and if it's as simple as that why have Pfizer hidden it even from their own employees.. this lady has worked for pfizer for 10 years..
 
hollydolly said:
...and if it's as simple as that why have Pfizer hidden it even from their own employees.. this lady has worked for pfizer for 10 years..
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We only have her word for that, also, maybe she was heading for dismissal anyway and decided to get in first with some of her stuff. She is not saying anything most people who know about vaccines already know!
 
win231 said:
They won't bother putting you in a nuthouse because they know you'll just escape.
Again.
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Keep posting, and show everyone how childish and foolish you are. Stay in your fantasy land and stay bitter and hateful, but unfortunately people like you effect others during a deadly pandemic. Otherwise, nobody would care about your being brainwashed and stubborn. 🤡
 
hollydolly said:
...and if it's as simple as that why have Pfizer hidden it even from their own employees.. this lady has worked for pfizer for 10 years..
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There was nothing to hide. They likely didn't want to get a panic reaction by having it in headlines because people who did not know anything about cell lines being used to develop and research vaccines and other products. I don't know much about vaccines or medicine, but I knew all about this early on with the vaccines. You are a smart lady, surprised you're in the group of people who use a source like Veritas that is known for lies and disinformation in the past.

No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells. However, Johnson & Johnson did use fetal cell lines — not fetal tissue — when developing and producing their vaccine, while Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cell lines to test their vaccines and make sure that they work.
Fetal cell lines are grown in a laboratory and were started with cells from elective abortions that occurred several decades ago in the 1970s-80s. They are now thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. None of the COVID-19 vaccines use fetal cells derived from recent abortions.
We understand this is a sensitive issue, and specifically important to religious communities. We’d like to provide some additional context on this topic. On Jan. 27, the California Catholic Conference noted in an official statement that they support the use of all COVID-19 vaccines, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, to prevent the continued spread of COVID-19. Pope Francis also publicly supported COVID-19 vaccination and the Vatican has issued a statement saying it is morally acceptable to receive COVID-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process.
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https://www.uclahealth.org/webview.cfm?id=3680&cat=Addressing+Concerns

There is no real whistleblower, just a bunch of people creating faux outrage for page clicks and chaos. It’s also possible none of them even have a vague grasp of the science.

There are no fetal cells in vaccines. Yes, a fetal cell line created in 1973 was used in some lab research that was part of developing the mRNA vaccines, but fetal cell lines were also used to develop ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies to treat COVID-19, and Tylenol, and lidocaine and so on.

So on to the next faux whistleblower who will make headlines for revealing some “hidden truth” about the COVID-19 vaccines that has been available on google dot com for the past eight months or more.
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https://vajenda.substack.com/p/the-covid-19-vaccine-was-developed
 
Buckeye said:
Thanks, but that site is merely quoting (or at least claims to be quoting) a Taiwanese official. And even then it is not alleged that the deaths were due to the vaccine. (60% of the folks in Taiwan have had a least one jab.)

Here in the US, over 95% of us seniors (65 and over) have had at least one jab, so almost any death of one of us could be counted as being a death after vaccination, regardless of the actual cause of death.
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I think the site I saw that on is ourworldindata.org

Not positive.
 
@squatting dog The latest CDC statistical link does not support your initial post about the percentage of people who have died from COVID. Reading the stats further, I find it quite interesting that although there seems to be a lot of concern about Black communities being more vulnerable to COVID, only 15% of Black (non-HIspanics) with COVID died vs 62% of non-Hispanic Whites. It makes me wonder why that is. :unsure:

I still have not been vaccinated. I'm not un-intelligent, I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'm not spreading COVID because I don't have it. I live alone and have limited contact with others. I wear my KN95s when I go out, I go to our local supermarket when hardly anyone else is there...early in the morning on weekdays (I've only ever seen 2 or 3 other people shopping when I do that). The most risky thing I've done last year and lately is take the casino bus to/from Atlantic City. I have limited interaction at my timeshare, all with people who are masked up. Last Sept. no one sat next to me. Two weeks ago, I took an Uber down had an extra casino bus ticket so took that back home. There were no passengers for two rows in front, two rows in back and 4 rows to the side of me. I went to the senior center for about a month...the long tables were spaced very far apart and I sat at a table by myself. Every time I say okay...I'm going to take the vaccine, something happens to give me pause. I'm still a whole lot closer to taking the plunge (or should I say plunger) than I was at the start of this pandemic though.
 
hollydolly said:
perhaps.. however the lady did work for Pfizer for 10 years, ... at least I hope she did, can't see why she would lie....
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Melissa Strickler is not a scientist. She was a quality controller. who used to be a packer at Pfizer. Her job was to check the vials were not cracked, that they are packed correctly, that they are going to the right customers, that the paperwork was in order etc. She did not work in the laboratories.

I doubt whether she ever donned a complete hazmat suit and was ever allowed into Pfizer's laboratory. So knowing "secrets" is all her fabrication.

Even Gordon Ramsay does not tell all his secrets to the public!
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