Well, pat my back and call me a conspiracy nut.

Everytime I hear someone say they refuse to get vaccinated, I think about when I was young and they came out with the Polio Vaccine. I still remember being given a cube of sugar with the vaccine on it. No one I knew refused the vaccine and Polio disappeared. And other kinds of vaccines protected us from other diseases. So I think people should get vaccinated.
 

Murrmurr said:
I'm glad you feel that the thinly veiled point of my comment is tragic.
I'm sorry you took it personally.
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Aha! so you mix up my words to your advantage! No your outburst towards me is tragic. I took it both personally and impersonally.

Now you should consider this: you say you are involved with the homeless? okay, if one day or night you arrived where they hang out and covid has swept through their ranks and the possibility of saving them is NIL, how would you feel. Answer s’il vous plaît.

I doubt very much anyone who is "considerate"and "humanitarian" would not cry and say: if only they had the vaccine!!!
 
As of right now I’m not going to read anything more the ant vaxxers have to say. I’m very happy with all the different vaxs I’ve had, my adult children are happy with theirs and passing it on.
It’s an imposition on the vaxxers that the non vaxxers are out there passing it around to each other and making the healthcare workers exhausted trying to save you.
 
Shero said:
Aha! so you mix up my words to your advantage! No your outburst towards me is tragic. I took it both personally and impersonally.

Now you should consider this: you say you are involved with the homeless? okay, if one day or night you arrived where they hang out and covid has swept through their ranks and the possibility of saving them is NIL, how would you feel. Answer s’il vous plaît.

I doubt very much anyone who is "considerate"and "humanitarian" would not cry and say: if only they had the vaccine!!!
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I'm sorry, I don't see any sort of outburst in my comment. In my head, I said it calmly and without malice, I was simply making a point for all to consider, not only you.

I don't know one homeless person who can afford a vaccine, or who has a current ID to get vaccinated for free. I know 4 who have a Medical card, and who happen to be camped directly across from a Rite-Aid pharmacy, so they were able to be vaccinated.
 
Murrmurr said:
I'm sorry, I don't see any sort of outburst in my comment. In my head, I said it calmly and without malice, I was simply making a point for all to consider, not only you.

I don't know one homeless person who can afford a vaccine, or who has a current ID to get vaccinated for free. I know 4 who have a Medical card, and who happen to be camped directly across from a Rite-Aid pharmacy, so they were able to be vaccinated.
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Murmur said : ‘I know, what are we going to do with all those murdering anti-vaxxers? Segregate them? Round 'em up and move them to a camp or a ghetto or something?’

You call that calm? And then you addressed that as a reply to my post when all I said was “Lord have patience” to someone else. Anyway, no hard feelings on my part, I am over this.

If you get on to the right people, I believe you will find your assumption is incorrect. Homeless people may have the vaccine in the US with or without money or ID. Something for you to investigate. I am not going to do it for you.
Bonne journée!
 
chic said:
Let's put them in jail. Let them sit and think for thirty days about what THEY are doing to the rest of us. If they still won't get with the program and take the jab, then they'll have to be separated from the rest of decent society. As my favorite Australian has said, "we can't just let the unavaccinated run around wherever they want." Yes, let's bring that forward thinking to America. Of course, Americans are armed and Australians are not so that might be a tiny problem. But it comes down to this : we cannot allow these dangerous, disease spreading, unvaccinated cretans to mingle with the rest of us. They have NO excuses and only themselves to blame. Tongue very much in cheek. What kind of an excuse for a human being actually says this stuff and means it.

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"What kind of an excuse for a human being actually says this stuff and means it."

Ha! Seriously you ask? There are a few right here in this forum.
 
Nathan said:
COVID-19 Vaccines Are Free to the Public
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Yeah, they have to get to the vaccine stations. Unfortunately, there are only 3 in my city and they're not in the areas where they're needed most. The homeless rarely travel out of their territory, and they do have definite territories. I'm not sure why they don't like to, but probably has to do with losing a good sleeping spot that they're accustomed to, and maybe losing the stuff that they can't or won't take with them.
 
Shero said:
Murmur said : ‘I know, what are we going to do with all those murdering anti-vaxxers? Segregate them? Round 'em up and move them to a camp or a ghetto or something?’

You call that calm? And then you addressed that as a reply to my post when all I said was “Lord have patience” to someone else. Anyway, no hard feelings on my part, I am over this.

If you get on to the right people, I believe you will find your assumption is incorrect. Homeless people may have the vaccine in the US with or without money or ID. Something for you to investigate. I am not going to do it for you.
Bonne journée!
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See post #34.
 
Sassycakes said:
Everytime I hear someone say they refuse to get vaccinated, I think about when I was young and they came out with the Polio Vaccine. I still remember being given a cube of sugar with the vaccine on it. No one I knew refused the vaccine and Polio disappeared. And other kinds of vaccines protected us from other diseases. So I think people should get vaccinated.
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Intelligent decisions were easier to come by back then, with today's influence of online hucksters impressionable people are manipulated into abandoning common sense and duped into thinking that they are taking some kind of "stand" against some kind of imaginary usurpation of their personal freedoms. smh :rolleyes:
 
Murrmurr said:
Yeah, they have to get to the vaccine stations. Unfortunately, there are only 3 in my city and they're not in the areas where they're needed most. The homeless rarely travel out of their territory, and they do have definite territories. I'm not sure why they don't like to, but probably has to do with losing a good sleeping spot that they're accustomed to, and maybe losing the stuff that they can't or won't take with them.
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Aren't they giving vaccines at pharmacies in Sacramento? Here you can get the vaccine almost anywhere.
 
Murrmurr said:
See post #34.
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If the mountain will not come to Muhammad, Muhammad must go to the mountain. That is exactly what is happening in Oakland and Berkeley, California, one clinic is working with local officials to bring Covid-19 vaccines directly to unhoused people. Setting up mobile clinics. Other countries are doing this also. Maybe something for you to consider approaching various authorities in your area?
 
squatting dog said:
We “paranoid conspiracy nut's” have been warning that this would happen for the past year and a half. People who refuse to convert to the new official ideology and get the experimental jab are now being segregated, stripped of their jobs, banned from attending schools, denied medical treatment, and otherwise persecuted. :mad:
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Hold on to your socks the best is yet to come.......🕛
 
MrPants said:
Those who choose to be vaccinated may suffer horrible reactions to the vaccine immediately or at some point in the future. They made their choice so don't complain if things go off the rails.

Those who choose to be unvaccinated may suffer the consequences of limited freedom of movement in pubic and/or employment opportunities. They made their choice so don't complain if that's the way things go.
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Well, look at it this way. First of all, someone who is vaccinated having "horrible reactions" is very rare, I know of nobody, including myself and my husband who had more than mild side effects which is a normal reaction from the immune system. In fact, my husband had no side effects at all with the J&J vaccine.

We both intend to get our booster shots and are glad to have a life saving vaccine available during a deadly worldwide pandemic. If I have a horrible reaction, it will affect only me.

This is now the pandemic of the unvaccinated. It is the unvaccinated who are overflowing our hospitals, affecting the health and well being of our medical workers, and dying in hospitals hooked up to ventilators. Unvaccinated people are most likely to spread the virus to others and make opening up and living normally much harder to do.

Vaccine mandates for employment is the wise thing to do, since there are so many irresponsible people around. If they get the vaccine to keep their job, it may also save their lives in the end. The majority of dead Americans, over 700,000 were unvaccinated.

My taking the vaccine does not affect you or other citizens in a negative way. Your refusing to take the vaccine affects your community, neighbors and our country as a whole. The only valid reason someone should not get the vaccine is a medical reason from their doctor, allergy to ingredients, etc. Many who can't take the COVID19 vaccine also can't take other vaccines either.
 
Nathan said:
Intelligent decisions were easier to come by back then, with today's influence of online hucksters impressionable people are manipulated into abandoning common sense and duped into thinking that they are taking some kind of "stand" against some kind of imaginary usurpation of their personal freedoms. smh :rolleyes:
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Well said, that is exactly what is happening.
 
It is very hard for me to not believe that something is going on behind all the mess that has been going on for the last few years. It seems to be some new type of negativity everyday. Maybe it is a conspiracy of some sorts. Maybe it is a money grab. Could be aliens from another dimension or hey it could be God. I do not know but something is definitely going on. Just to many things going wrong. I will say it again. I am preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. That is about the only thing I have any control over at the moment. Peace of mind is all I wanted.

If I wanted to I could go off grid and rarely see another human being and deal with only what is in my little sphere of existence. Plenty of wild edible plants and game around my place. I have been going hunting since I was 4 years old. Got my first shotgun when I was eight and my first rifle when I was twelve. When I was in my twenties I spent a lot of time learning about wild edible plants and their medicinal value. I could survive pretty well until I have to leave the planet.

Knowing how to survive for a while and being prepared is how I get some peace of mind these days and it keeps my mind occupied. It is not like I have my whole life ahead of me. I will say this. Life is to dang short to live in anger and negativity. I have found that if I carry it around with me it will devour me from the inside out. Take that for what it's worth I guess. And now back to the regularly scheduled program "How It Is And How It Was"......:whistle::whistle::whistle:;)
 
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SeaBreeze said:
Well, look at it this way. First of all, someone who is vaccinated having "horrible reactions" is very rare, I know of nobody, including myself and my husband who had more than mild side effects which is a normal reaction from the immune system. In fact, my husband had no side effects at all with the J&J vaccine.

We both intend to get our booster shots and are glad to have a life saving vaccine available during a deadly worldwide pandemic. If I have a horrible reaction, it will affect only me.

This is now the pandemic of the unvaccinated. It is the unvaccinated who are overflowing our hospitals, affecting the health and well being of our medical workers, and dying in hospitals hooked up to ventilators. Unvaccinated people are most likely to spread the virus to others and make opening up and living normally much harder to do.

Vaccine mandates for employment is the wise thing to do, since there are so many irresponsible people around. If they get the vaccine to keep their job, it may also save their lives in the end. The majority of dead Americans, over 700,000 were unvaccinated.

My taking the vaccine does not affect you or other citizens in a negative way. Your refusing to take the vaccine affects your community, neighbors and our country as a whole. The only valid reason someone should not get the vaccine is a medical reason from their doctor, allergy to ingredients, etc. Many who can't take the COVID19 vaccine also can't take other vaccines either.
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I don't disagree with anything you say but I stop short of wanting people to be forced to choose vaccination or any other choice that affects them personally. The mandates currently being instituted (at least here in Canada) are rather draconian but designed to make it very uncomfortable to remain unvaccinated. But, there is still technically a choice for everyone.

And guess what? The mandates and passport requirements are working! The population of the province I'm in right now is approaching 85% fully vaxxed and our case counts are dropping like a rock so yeah, high vaccination levels really do work! I expect we'll reach around 90% here in the near future and hopefully that will keep things in a good position. At 90% vax rate that still means there will be 1.4 million people in this province alone who still choose to remain unvaccinated. Those people will be basically unemployed shut-ins. Will they still be happy with their choice? Don't know but their ability to encourage propagation of the virus or it's variants will be almost nonexistent.
 
Shero said:
Well, I have mentally "patted your back" and called you the name you called yourself :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: and I feel good about it.

What's new in Australia? The government is mandating at a fast rate. In some parts of Australia it has been mandated that if employers do not make sure their workers are vaccinated they pay a fine of $100,000 and for each worker it is $20, 000. Saw on the news last night, footballers have to be vaccinated in this country or they are sacked!
Je t’aime Australia ❤️
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The governments (plural) Shero. We are federation of states, remember?

The Australian Open requires proof of vaccination of all the players and their teams or they cannot compete. This is not a government requirement. The tennis association is insisting on it. No exceptions including last year's champion, Djokovic.

I am currently experiencing pain in my right leg caused by a worn hip joint and I will need a hip replacement fairly soon. I would like to know that the surgeon, his assisant, the anaesthetist, the theatre nurses and the catering staff are all fully vaccinated. I'm sure they would all prefer me to be vaccinated too so I plan to have a booster before booking my hospital stay.

Then I hope that the people looking after me in rehab are also fully immunised. I still want to live to see more great grandchildren arrive.
 
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Murrmurr said:
I'm sorry, I don't see any sort of outburst in my comment. In my head, I said it calmly and without malice, I was simply making a point for all to consider, not only you.

I don't know one homeless person who can afford a vaccine, or who has a current ID to get vaccinated for free. I know 4 who have a Medical card, and who happen to be camped directly across from a Rite-Aid pharmacy, so they were able to be vaccinated.
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Covid tests and vaccinations are free to everyone in Australia. Everyone has access.
 


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