How are we feeling about climate change, (can't be bothered?)?

"I'm getting sick and tired of this whole thing"

Exactly !! ............
 

rgp said:
"I'm getting sick and tired of this whole thing"

Exactly !! ............
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MMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm, on this one my guess is, sick of it or no, there will be no getting away from the changes our government wish us all to follow, and maybe there is one very good reason to consider, and it is the need for "hope" in our lives, individually and collectively. :unsure:

I dont think mankind is going to be able to dispense with the need for a reasonable chance of survival on a planet something close as it can be to what we enjoy today. :)

Our old, cynical, time worn attitudes wont do I feel, (I'm definitely no better than anyone else on this please note), compared to the great quest to make sure everything is done to preserve this planet, okay, so learn to live with this thing you're so sick of because it isn't going way soon! (y)🤠
 
grahamg said:
MMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm, on this one my guess is, sick of it or no, there will be no getting away from the changes our government wish us all to follow, and maybe there is one very good reason to consider, and it is the need for "hope" in our lives, individually and collectively. :unsure:

I dont think mankind is going to be able to dispense with the need for a reasonable chance of survival on a planet something close as it can be to what we enjoy today. :)

Our old, cynical, time worn attitudes wont do I feel, (I'm definitely no better than anyone else on this please note), compared to the great quest to make sure everything is done to preserve this planet, okay, so learn to live with this thing you're so sick of because it isn't going way soon! (y)🤠
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Graham, Maybe we should take the advice of BoJo (your PM) and use refillable toothpaste tubes and allow animals to eat humans :)
 
grahamg said:
It may be rules No. 2, 3, or 4, however, you can go to the back of the class and put the dunce's hat on for not remembering rules at all young lady! :)
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Realise I am still a new arrival having landed middle August, but to my knowledge have never broken a rule or even attempted to, so still have no clue what you mean and I am not going to fret about it 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️
 
Pepper said:
@Shero
The first rule is No Politics. Hard Not to break. Some might say impossible. :)
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On this forum respect for the rule is as near to 100% as anyone could expect, so that's impressive, (apologies to Shero btw, for not remembering how new you are, or realising your pretty innocuous post wasn't worth questioning in any event!). :)
 
Astrobiologists would relate that it has been highly unlikely evolving multicellular life managed to survive over the past billion years of our planet's 4 billion year old existence. For a list of reasons it could have ended as there are delicate balances of incredibly complex chemical feedback systems. Not only are we overpopulated Earth monkeys harming our atmosphere but also its immensely complex mix of organic DNA life.

https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/earth-system/biogeochemical-cycles
 
From the BBC website on the COP26 meeting:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56901261

What will be decided at COP26?
Most countries will set out their plans to reduce emissions before the summit starts - so, we should get a sense of whether we are on track beforehand.
But during the two weeks we can expect a flurry of new announcements.
Many are expected to be very technical - including rules still needed to implement the Paris Agreement, for example.
But some other announcements could include:
  • Making a faster switch to electric cars
  • Speeding up the phasing out of coal power
  • Cutting down fewer trees
  • Protecting more people from the impacts of climate change, such as funding coastal-defence systems.
Up to 25,000 people are expected in Glasgow, including world leaders, negotiators and journalists.
Tens of thousands of campaigners and businesses will also be there to hold events, network and hold protests. Extinction Rebellion, for example, are calling for an immediate end to the use of fossil fuels.
At the end of the conference, some form of declaration is expected.
Every country will be required to sign up and it could include specific commitments.

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China's commitments at COP26 will also be very important. It is now the world's biggest polluter and has investments in coal stations all over the world.
Many observers will be watching how quickly China - and other major fossil fuel producers - will be willing to reduce their reliance on them.

How will COP26 affect me?​

Some commitments made in Glasgow could directly affect our daily lives.
For example, it could change whether you drive a petrol car, heat your home with a gas boiler, or take as many flights.

You will hear a lot of jargon​

  • COP26: COP stands for Conference of the Parties. Established by the UN, COP1 took place in 1995 - this will be the 26th
  • Paris accord: The Paris Agreement united all the world's nations - for the first time - in a single agreement on tackling global warming and cutting greenhouse-gas emissions
  • IPCC: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change examines the latest research into climate change
  • 1.5C: Keeping the rise in global average temperature below 1.5C - compared with pre-industrial times - will avoid the worst impacts of climate change, scientists say

How will we know COP26 is a success?​

As host nation, the UK will likely want all countries to back a strong statement that recommits to net zero emissions by 2050 - as well as big reductions by 2030.
It will also want specific pledges on ending coal, petrol cars and protecting nature.
Developing countries will want a significant financial package over the next five years, to help them adapt to rising temperatures.
Anything short of this is likely to be judged inadequate because there simply isn't more time to keep the 1.5C goal alive.
However, some scientists believe world leaders have left it too late and no matter what is agreed at COP26, 1.5C will not be achieved.
 
grahamg said:
China's commitments at COP26 will also be very important. It is now the world's biggest polluter and has investments in coal stations all over the world.
Many observers will be watching how quickly China - and other major fossil fuel producers - will be willing to reduce their reliance on them.
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However, some scientists believe world leaders have left it too late and no matter what is agreed at COP26, 1.5C will not be achieved.

China and India are the world's largest "polluters", and getting them to initiate any meaningful changes is quite unlikely. I suspect that when COP26 is over, it will prove to be little other than a lavish vacation, for the participants....at the taxpayers expense.
 
Don M. said:
However, some scientists believe world leaders have left it too late and no matter what is agreed at COP26, 1.5C will not be achieved.
China and India are the world's largest "polluters", and getting them to initiate any meaningful changes is quite unlikely. I suspect that when COP26 is over, it will prove to be little other than a lavish vacation, for the participants....at the taxpayers expense.
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You may be right, (though don't forget how many goods produced in those countries are bought and used or consumed in the west), but one thing we can be sure of is the leadership in a totalitarian, one party state can take whatever decision it believes is necessary, whereas we in the west maybe can't, (or are "shy" on this subject for whatever reason!).
 
Harry Le Hermit said:
There seems to be near total disconnect with what the COP proponents believe they are accomplishing or about to accomplish...
Climate crisis: Why do we need COP anyway?
and what their governments back home are actually planning...
Planned fossil fuel output double that of Paris deal goals, says UN
Then there is the current rush back into coal. Not sure how it is possible to be optimistic.
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Even if the west achieved their goals (which is nearly impossible), China is opening more coal fired plants. We are currently seeing the immense public reaction to increasing fossil fuel prices. Democracies will not find the common will to make their promises into realities. Unless there is a spectacular new source of cheap energy, I don't see how any of this works.

If we are realistic, the funds that are not going into fighting Climate Change should be channeled into energy innovations. I don't know what those would be, but we didn't know what electricity was 200 years ago. We can only innovate our way out of this thing and, of course, we must cut populations.
 
grahamg said:
A German Christian, (called "Christian" coincidentally), said exactly the same thing thirty or forty years ago, at a churches conference looking at longterm issues likely to affect humans and our planet!
He pointed to the moral failure inherent in using up the world's resources as though they were infinite, in order to create economic growth etc.! :(
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Exactly, a major "solution" to Climate Change is a shift to natural gas. But that only kicks the can down the road. We must find a way of generating electricity and powering vehicles that it renewable. Otherwise, our society cannot be sustained. Why does no one see this. We are panicking about rising oceans, when we should be worrying about species survival.
 
Daytona Al said:
Exactly, a major "solution" to Climate Change is a shift to natural gas. But that only kicks the can down the road. We must find a way of generating electricity and powering vehicles that it renewable. Otherwise, our society cannot be sustained. Why does no one see this. We are panicking about rising oceans, when we should be worrying about species survival.
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This is all intertwined.

Rising oceans are a very real result of climate change. Same with "100 year" droughts, flooding, super storms, high and low temperatures that are now breaking records every few years. As areas become unlivable, human migration will put increasing pressure on the places to which these folks migrate.

It's going to get very ugly, I fear.
 
StarSong said:
This is all intertwined.

Rising oceans are a very real result of climate change. Same with "100 year" droughts, flooding, super storms, high and low temperatures that are now breaking records every few years. As areas become unlivable, human migration will put increasing pressure on the places to which these folks migrate.

It's going to get very ugly, I fear.
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Yep, climate change is already creating climate refugees — people whose land is no longer habitable due to droughts, flooding, windstorms, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. And a lot of them will be resented when they migrate to other areas, and most of that resentment will come from people who refuse to recognize man's role in creating climate change. Add the migrants to the refugee crises caused by our idiotic wars.
 
Irwin said:
Yep, climate change is already creating climate refugees — people whose land is no longer habitable due to droughts, flooding, windstorms, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. And a lot of them will be resented when they migrate to other areas, and most of that resentment will come from people who refuse to recognize man's role in creating climate change. Add the migrants to the refugee crises caused by our idiotic wars.
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Every word you wrote is absolutely true.
 
Nothing is likely to change due to the stranglehold of dominant short sighted wealthy and wealth seakers dominating power with ever increasing infrastructure and overpopulation. As the effects of climate change grow towards seriously irreversibly damaging life on our planet, very sadly, those using CRISPR technology on viruses may at some point...
 
Meanwhile, back at the COP26 gathering in the fair city of Glasgow it appears progress is somewhat limited, or faltering, with a lack of unaminity as yet, (in contrast with the previous accords its being reported).
Maybe we're on the wrong track somewhere, but who really knows(?).
 

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