Well, pat my back and call me a conspiracy nut.

Here in the UK....two parts of the mainland -Scotland and Wales-still have mask use but more importantly the vaccine passport which you need to get into certain events.That scenario was the only reason I got vaccinated.I have mine and think I will need to use it soon.
But in England they are considering making the vaccine compulsory for NHS workers.Guessing that means
you won’t have a job if you refuse.
update...i have read this will not be the case in Wales but at this weeks review they may extend the use of vaccine passports.
 

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Nothing new about that. My daughter is a registered nurse and she has always been required to have certain vaccinations as a condition of employment. Hepatitis is one of the mandatory ones and possibly golden staph (?)

The child care workers at the church long day care centre are also required to be vaccinated against Covid to work with the children. It's an occupational health and safety measure.
 
Warrigal said:
I assume nothing about you personally but you cannot deny that certain media personalities are using alarmism about vaccines to gain attention. Expressing your opinion is no different to me expressing mine. Neither of us are experts in the field of pandemics or epidemics but both of us are old enough to have seen and experienced things over our lifetimes.

In my case, living in Australia, which has the wonderful advantage of being a large island, we are very fortunate to have avoided many of the infectious diseases that are common elsewhere. For example we have no rabies but we do have tetanus. Children are routinely immunised for tetanus and it is not the problem today that it was in the past when one of my grandmother's brothers, a farm worker, died of lockjaw at the age of 22. Today that doesn't happen because of a vaccine. I used to get regular boosters for tetanus but today I am hardly at risk any more. However, if I did suffer a deep puncture wound in the garden I would seek treatment and a tetanus shot.

I do have a 'flu shot before each Winter and a pneumonia shot every five years. I have had a booster shot for shingles because I did have chicken pox as a child (same virus - herpes zoster). Shingles doesn't kill you but it is very painful and can cause damage to the nerves. My sister in law got it and it affected the sight in one eye. I requested the vaccine.

Before my little grandson was born I asked for a whooping cough booster to make sure I would not be a threat to him while he was too young to be immunised for this dreadful disease that can affect adults as well as babies. So yes, to answer your last sentence, sometimes I do get boosters for the sake of others but mostly the benefit is mine. When it comes to Covid the benefit is personal, to my family and on a larger plane, it benefits small businesses and the economy at large. Australia has now exceeded 80% double vaxxed for all people over 12 years and is rapidly approaching 90%. As a result, restrictions on businesses, entertainments and travel are being rolled back and by Christmas things will be pretty much back to normal without resulting in a surge of deaths and hospitalisations. For this I give credit to all the people who have complied with health orders and who have lined up for vaccines as soon as they became eligible. In particular, I am very grateful to the doctors, nurses, hospital administrators and public health officials who have had a very rough time of it for nearly two years. They are quite worn out. They do not deserve to be abused or threatened and they certainly do no deserve to have their motives questioned as if they are participating in a malignant conspiracy to harm us. What they ask of us is our co-operation and they will always have mine.

And no @win231, I am not referring to you personally in any of the above. I am just talking about what I have seen and what I think about vaccination.
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"Certain media personalities" have nothing whatsoever to do with me.
And in Post #119, in response to my post, you said: "I get angry when people deliberately spread fear with exaggerated stories of the risks involved" "People?" Since you were responding to my post, you seemed to be referring to me.
 

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Win, you are being deliberately obtuse but I will answer your question in case you are being serious.

I was regularly skin tested for TB as a child and received the BCG serum to immunise me. At that time TB was making a comeback in Australia and my grandfather had it. TB has since disappeared in my country thanks to those public health measures.

Smallpox has been eradicated worldwide because of global efforts and mass immunisation in places where it was endemic. However, a small pox scar on the arm was commonly seen when I was young. It was a requirement for people who travelled overseas.

Meningitis vaccine? I was vaccinated for this in 2000 when we travelled in Egypt, Turkey, Greece and Kenya because it was not uncommon that people flying to Australia were carriers and then all of the other passengers were at risk. We decided that vaccination was a good idea, not just for ourselves but for family members, friends and neighbours and anyone else we might possibly infect. Going into quarantine was not an attractive proposition either.

Yellow fever? Is that a problem in US? It is not something we have to deal with in Australia. I was not advised to vaccinate for yellow fever when we travelled around the western states in 1985. However, if I were needing to travel to places where it was endemic I would certainly investigate any measures that would offer me some protection. When we visited Kenya were took precautions to avoid being bitten by mosquitoes carrying malaria but at that time there was no vaccine available. We used tropical strength insect repellent, wore long sleeves and took some tablets that the doctor prescribed. Our bed has a net strung to keep the insects out. Anything to lessen the risk. Looking back, these measures were very similar to using hand sanitiser, masks and maintaining social distancing against Covid. If I was travelling today I would consider vaccination against malaria and dengue fever if I to certain countries.

I drive a car. Every time I do this I take a greater risk of becoming maimed or worse in a traffic accident than I ever do by getting vaccinated. I choose to accept both risks because the benefits outweigh them by many orders of magnitude. Some people are too afraid to drive and others are too afraid to be vaccinated and they should not be ridiculed for their fear but I get angry when people deliberately spread fear with exaggerated stories of the risks involved. Death is not a small risk but the risk of death from diseases like TB, malaria, meningitis and Covid is much more than the risk of the vaccines.
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Well said, Warri. Like you, I've been vaccinated against all sorts of things, especially when I was a military wife and we were transferred to assorted overseas places. Of course my husband was vaccinated against more diseases than I was, because he was deployed at times to combat zones. The only vaccine he ever had any trouble with was the one against bubonic and pneumonic plague; that one made him feel lousy for a couple of days, but that was all.

I am a firm believer in taking advantage of whatever protections are available against whatever diseases might threaten my health. IMHO it is foolish not to do so.
 
GeorgiaXplant said:
@squatting dog Okay. I'll call you a conspiracy nut, but I sure as heck won't pat your back. You're a conspiracy nut. Feel better now?

And BTW @Packerjohn and @John cycling, my brother died of covid. Neither my brother nor my DSIL have been in the news.

My DSIL had covid and was lucky to get the monoclonal antibody infusion. He's recovered now and counting the days when he can get the vaccine. Once you've had the infusion, you can't get the vaccine for 90 days. Is he sorry he didn't get the vaccine? Ya, you betcha. Fortunately for the rest of us, we were all fully vaccinated when he got sick. He works with the public (masked), and when he got sick it finally registered with him that somebody else who wouldn't get vaccinated passed covid along to him. One of his employees? One of his customers? We'll never know. We are, and he is, glad he's alive.

It's as much about protecting others as it is about protecting yourself. People who refuse the vaccine for various and sundry stupid reasons are selfish and unconcerned about not just their health but the health and welfare of everybody else.

Have you had smallpox? Polio? No? I rest my case.
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Sorry about your brother and thank you for sharing this with the rest of us.

Small pox and polio were stable viruses so a vaccine would protect the inoculated from catching and transmitting the disease. This is obviously not the case with covid. Fully vaccinated people still catch, transmit, are hospitalized from, and die from this virus. So your "case", as you call it, is demolished. I don't recall ever hearing of breakthrough cases of polio or small pox. One shot and you were protected from the disease. If I am wrong about this please list the breakthrough cases of polio and smallpox for me.

The defense rests.
 
win231 said:
"Certain media personalities" have nothing whatsoever to do with me.
And in Post #119, in response to my post, you said: "I get angry when people deliberately spread fear with exaggerated stories of the risks involved" "People?" Since you were responding to my post, you seemed to be referring to me.
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I assure you that I was not. If I wanted to refer to you personally I would have used the second person pronoun. I apologise for not being more specific.
 
John cycling said:
Conversely, everyone that I know of who's been shot with the poisons has been sick, and many of them are already dead.
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You know "many" people who have died from the vaccine? Yea right.
John cycling said:
The basic truth is that a covid19 virus has never been isolated.
The statement on virus isolation, <--
A look at Koch's Postulates <-- and the lack of virus isolation.
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You keep posting this lie time and again, it's been refuted many times here already.
 
garyt1957 said:
Do they recommend boosters for those diseases? Why would you get one?
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The new shingles vaccine, which was two painful shots, could be considered a booster for the first outdated shingle shot. The new pneumonia shots could be considered a booster for the outdated pneumonia shot. I got all the new shots as well.

I am fully boosted. 😂😂😂
 
Packerjohn said:
Here in Canada they are now jabbing the young kiddies. I remember 1.5 years ago when the authorities were telling us that all seniors are in danger and there is absolutely no danger to young healthy kids. I guess they changed their minds?
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It’s because of Delta Covid, the young ones get it
 
ManjaroKDE said:
My neighbor in AZ passed away from an embolism brought on by Covid before any vaccines were approved. He was the one I bought my 5th Wheel from, he was a year older than I and looked in perfect health, later his wife said he had heart problems.
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I know of 3 people that have it just within the last month.
2 are husband and wife, both vaccinated, he was given the monoclonal(?) antibodies in the hospital.
The other is in her early 30s, I don't know if she's vaccinated, she works with the developmentally disabled, don't know if that's a factor.
I got my Moderna booster yesterday, felt a little "off" earlier today.
 
Murrmurr said:
Yes, I was talking about perspective. Death by covid among the vaccinated and severe reactions to the vaccine aren't just random events; there are causes. Age, comorbidity, and hitting a vein while administering the vaccine are 3 very common ones. And indeed, in relation to the numbers, these events are pretty rare.
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And what if you're one of those unlucky people who gets a vein hit and dies or worse? :oops:

I don't think it's worth it.
garyt1957 said:
You know "many" people who have died from the vaccine? Yea right.

You keep posting this lie time and again, it's been refuted many times here already.
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Packerjohn said:
Here in Canada they are now jabbing the young kiddies. I remember 1.5 years ago when the authorities were telling us that all seniors are in danger and there is absolutely no danger to young healthy kids. I guess they changed their minds?
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They're going to do that in the U.S. also. Parents are fighting against it, but we'll see what happens. The FDA approved the vaccine for use in 5-11 year olds 17-0! They said, " We have to test it. You don't know how a vaccine works until you test it." Isn't that what clinical trials are supposed to be for? So they're going to inject children without knowing fully what will happen. Sounds dangerous. And you can call me stupid, I don't care.
 
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Packerjohn said:
Here in Canada they are now jabbing the young kiddies. I remember 1.5 years ago when the authorities were telling us that all seniors are in danger and there is absolutely no danger to young healthy kids. I guess they changed their minds?
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If the child has diabetes or some other comorbidity, then a parent should consider it, otherwise the benefit to kids getting the jab does not outweigh the risk.

The jab for kids 5 to 11 should absolutely not be mandated.

It's estimated that (in the US) at least 40% of children under 12 have had covid. Since many (if not the majority) were a-symptomatic, the figure could be as high as 55%-60%. They may be naturally immune or at least resistant. It would be a greater benefit to children to have their immunity levels tested than to give them a vaccine that is known to cause cardiac disease and with unknown impact on their health in the future.
 
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chic said:
They're going to do that in the U.S. also. Parents are fighting against it, but we'll see what happens. The FDA approved the vaccine for use in 5-11 year olds 17-0! They said, " We have to test it. You don't know how a vaccine works until you test it." Isn't that what clinical trials are supposed to be for? So they're going to inject children without knowing fully what will happen. Sounds dangerous. And you can call me stupid, I don't care.
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It's up to the CDC now to decide if children SHOULD get it. It would be extremely unwise for them to say every child should. But I think they will decide to make it available for children who need it; diabetics, children w/severe asthma, obese, etc.
 
I remember the news 1.5 years ago. They said that the immune system gets weaker and weaker as people age. Therefore, seniors have a much weaken immune system. They said the young kids have a very strong immune system and there is absolutely no reason to innoculate them. So the wheel goes round and round. You might say that there theory has evolved!
 
Packerjohn said:
I remember the news 1.5 years ago. They said that the immune system gets weaker and weaker as people age. Therefore, seniors have a much weaken immune system. They said the young kids have a very strong immune system and there is absolutely no reason to innoculate them. So the wheel goes round and round. You might say that there theory has evolved!
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If you "follow the science" rather than the money, nothing has changed. Kids still have a very robust immune system.

It's also known (to science) that vaccine protection wanes in the elderly more quickly than in younger people. That's why we're encouraged to get an annual flu shot.
 
Packerjohn said:
I remember the news 1.5 years ago. They said that the immune system gets weaker and weaker as people age. Therefore, seniors have a much weaken immune system. They said the young kids have a very strong immune system and there is absolutely no reason to innoculate them. So the wheel goes round and round. You might say that there theory has evolved!
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The theory hasn't evolved, but the disease has. The Delta variant is much more likely to affect children.

I really don't understand this "controversy." Everybody goes to school, and all schools require polio and other vaccines. Get vaccinated and stop being a yo-yo.
 
Packerjohn said:
I remember the news 1.5 years ago. They said that the immune system gets weaker and weaker as people age. Therefore, seniors have a much weaken immune system. They said the young kids have a very strong immune system and there is absolutely no reason to innoculate them. So the wheel goes round and round. You might say that there theory has evolved!
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While my little part-time foster son is a ward of the state, the state will decide if he gets a covid vaccine or not. That troubles me.
 
Murrmurr said:
I saw a thing on TV a couple days ago that Pfiser wants to produce a veterinary covid vaccine and call for a mandate to vaccinate all pets.

I'm serious.

People are already vaccinating their horses and cows. Can you imagine the money Pfiser could make off beef cattle and race-horses? 🤑
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I laughed when I read your posting, Murrmurr but maybe I should not laugh. I was thinking a few days ago that the world has gone mad. Now, you have given me proof! A vaccine for dogs and cats and cows and horses. If this continues they will be catching the squirrels in the parks, the rabbits in the bush and the gophers on the prairies. I wish them luck with the moose and deer. Perhaps shot a Pfiser from your rifle. Anyway, if this madness continues Pfiser will be richer than Bill Gates and that Jeff Bozer of Amazon (Sorry for the spelling). Oh, don't forget the elephants and tigers and those lovely puffins and penguins!
 
JimBob1952 said:
The theory hasn't evolved, but the disease has. The Delta variant is much more likely to affect children.

I really don't understand this "controversy." Everybody goes to school, and all schools require polio and other vaccines. Get vaccinated and stop being a yo-yo.
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Children are more likely to get symptomatic covid with the Delta variant, but it is no more likely to kill them than the original strain.
 
Packerjohn said:
I laughed when I read your posting, Murrmurr but maybe I should not laugh. I was thinking a few days ago that the world has gone mad. Now, you have given me proof! A vaccine for dogs and cats and cows and horses. If this continues they will be catching the squirrels in the parks, the rabbits in the bush and the gophers on the prairies. I wish them luck with the moose and deer. Perhaps shot a Pfiser from your rifle. Anyway, if this madness continues Pfiser will be richer than Bill Gates and that Jeff Bozer of Amazon (Sorry for the spelling). Oh, don't forget the elephants and tigers and those lovely puffins and penguins!
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Oh yes, can't forget the zoo animals....and everything at Sea World.
 
JimBob1952 said:
The theory hasn't evolved, but the disease has. The Delta variant is much more likely to affect children.

I really don't understand this "controversy." Everybody goes to school, and all schools require polio and other vaccines. Get vaccinated and stop being a yo-yo.
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To better understand the controversy, I suggest you read articles or watch videos by actual doctors instead of news reporters and politicians.

I'm serious. There are some very good sources of trustworthy information available online.
 


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