How much did you let cruel words affect you?

But isn't that the behavior of a child?

That's my opinion anyway. It's on par with: "Ma-aa, he started it!"
(sob, sniff, stomp)
Oh i agree. My Dad taught that disputing endlessly without any resolution, compromise, learning by anyone is pointless waste of energy. That's why i frequently remove myself from those discussions.

One of my sisters delighted in telling how our Dad ended a disagreement with her husband without uttering another word. The argument? My BIL insisted karate was a sham, a con. They happened to be on a dock and Dad was doing some work on his boat. Dad took a piece of lumber, rested it across two supports called BIL's name and did a swift strike with edge of hand breaking the board. BIL blanched, gulped and shut up about it.
 

If the cruel words are due to severe, untreated mental illness, the words don't bother me. Being unable to convince the person that what s/he is saying about me is not true is frustrating. Now I just move on, realizing that these are delusions.

If the cruel words were said by mother, that used to bother me a lot. She frequently said, "I know you better than you know yourself". Trouble was she made it all up in her head, and never believed me. To make sure it didn't happen with my kids, I taught them that no one knows them better than they know themselves; it is impossible.
 

I must first respect someone before their words can hurt me. I'll admit that I can feel hurt at times...very hurt in fact, but doesn't last long because I have so much love and healing around me that just pours in at those times. You have it too.

My faith, my sweet children, my loyal dogs so quick to forgive, a few people I seek out at those times who make me smile and even laugh in no time...some of them online here, and God's beautiful creation all around me...all are so supportive to a point that I feel it's all that really matters. And the hurtful words fade into the distance. They just don't matter in the BIG picture.

And then I get teary eyed with grateful tears. It happens now more than ever for some reason. Age? My will to use all my senses to really see and listen for the goodness? It's always there. Sometimes we have to look a little harder...but the beauty and goodness is there for us all.
 
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...but when someone I respect hurts me then it's probably my fault...and that's what hurts the most. I never want to disappoint those I respect...or anyone for that matter.

After I apologize, and all my thoughtful words have been nicely said, it still can't be erased once it's out there and that makes it hard to forgive myself. Hurting then lingers in that case...if it weren't for something that is best described in these lyrics from a song by Amy Grant:

All I Ever Have To Be
When the weight of all my dreams
Is resting heavy on my head
And the thoughtful words of help and hope
Have all been nicely said
But I'm still hurting, wondering if I'll ever be the one
I think I am
I think I am.
Then you gently re-remind me
That You've made me from the first
And the more I try to be the best
The more I get the worst.
And I realize the good in me
Is only there because of who You are
Who You are.
And all I ever have to be is what

You've made me
Any more or less would be a step out of Your plan
As you daily recreate me help me always keep in mind
That I only have to do what I can find
And all I ever have to be is what You've made me


 
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There's a difference between always having something to say and always needing to exert some imagined dominence by not letting someone else have the last word in a contentious context. I can ramble on a long time about subjects that interest and amuse me, but will only expend a limited amount of energy on unproductive disputes.
Well, my time at this phase of my life seems to be unlimited. šŸ˜‚. I wish writing used unlimited energy. I would lose weight. I frequently like what you write. Your education shows. You have learned to write ā€œwith authorityā€œ. I’ve never seen you ramble.

The problem is people who write, or speak, with authority are, in my experience, dangerous people. Such people are more often believed, when they should not be. As for the statement of not spending ā€œenergy on unproductive disputesā€, what that really says, to me, is you are not willing to spend time with certain people as your time is more valuable than their time. To me, it indicates a certain level of arrogance, which you might be entitled to, how would I know? I wouldn’t.

But I don’t want to engage with you. I do not have the education level necessary to do so or the willingness. Besides I do like you. I like most people. I waste energy on some unproductive disputes and give up on others. Either way, it’s all good. 😊
 
Oh i agree. My Dad taught that disputing endlessly without any resolution, compromise, learning by anyone is pointless waste of energy. That's why i frequently remove myself from those discussions.

One of my sisters delighted in telling how our Dad ended a disagreement with her husband without uttering another word. The argument? My BIL insisted karate was a sham, a con. They happened to be on a dock and Dad was doing some work on his boat. Dad took a piece of lumber, rested it across two supports called BIL's name and did a swift strike with edge of hand breaking the board. BIL blanched, gulped and shut up about it.
My parents often ended conversations with a slap across my face. On one such occasion my mother broke my nose. While it is true I would have rather she turned to a piece of lumber and broke it, she broke my nose instead.

I am not impressed that your dad ended a disagreement in the manner you mentioned or that your sister’s husband was intimidated by his action. I am surprised that you seem proud of it. Ive been that piece of lumber. Your dad’s action were the actions of a bully.
 
@ Aneeda72 said
"The problem is people who write, or speak, with authority are, in my experience, dangerous people. Such people are more often believed, when they should not be. As for the statement of not spending ā€œenergy on unproductive disputesā€, what that really says, to me, is you are not willing to spend time with certain people as your time is more valuable than their time. To me, it indicates a certain level of arrogance, which you might be entitled to, how would I know? I wouldn’t."

i'm sorry you feel that way. Tho now knowing the little of your history you shared i can see how you would feel that way.
Arrogance? It is not a matter of not willing to spend time or energy with 'certain people' but rather not willing to spend time on certain behaviors, discussions. Ones that will only frustrate and upset the other person as well as myself because when it is clear we have a stalemate why continue? As for entitlement--i to think/feel we are all 'entitled', have a right, to choose how and with whom we spend our energy on, or engaging with. i suspect there are people on every platform i've every been on who think i'm not 'worth' their time/energy and that's ok--i've never been everyone's cup of tea.
There are people on this forum whose way of talking to others is much more confrontational and brusque than i generally am some of them i mostly avoid, some i engage with in some contexts. We agree on some things and disagree on others. That's the way it is life. We all have experiences that shape how we react.
BTW while i did get a college degree late in life (age 48) people often assumed i already had one because like my Dad who only had an 8th grade education i read extensively, have a good memory and synthesize my own ideas from and about the things i read.

@Aneeda72 also said
"I am not impressed that your dad ended a disagreement in the manner you mentioned or that your sister’s husband was intimidated by his action. I am surprised that you seem proud of it. I've been that piece of lumber. Your dad’s action were the actions of a bully."

The first sentence in bold is why you drew the conclusion of the second. But Dad did not do it to 'intimidate BIL' (Who by the way was a WWII army vet and close Dad's age than my sister's) And you never considered HE may been being overtly hostile, seeing how far he could push (this was his nature, tho you have no way of telling from my story i guess i should have thrown in more detail). Dad did it because the simplest way to support his own view was to demonstrate that one could indeed break boards with little preparation using physics principles. When something is telling you physical action is 'impossible' isn't the easiest way to make your case to demonstrate that it can indeed be done?

Again i'm sorry my words upset you and called up awful memories for you. i like you too.
i am glad that tho you said you didn't want to 'engage' me, i'm thinking you meant get into lengthy discussion over your statements to me, that you spoke your heart about them. Ironically by calling me out about your perception of and reaction to those posts but stating you don't want to 'engage' you are exercising your right to choose how involved you get in any point of contention with someone else.

This is extra lengthy because i won't address you about these two things again unless you choose to address them, out of respect for wishes. i reserve the right to talk about them with anyone else who has anything to say about them.
 
People on this forum have called me horrible names, goaded me, written things to hurt or undermine my character. I look at them as if I were looking at a hurt puppy, feel sadness for them because they generally have terrible inside hurts which cause them to lash out at anyone. I can't help them or erase the things that made them be like this. I just feel sad for them.
 
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@ Aneeda72 said
"The problem is people who write, or speak, with authority are, in my experience, dangerous people. Such people are more often believed, when they should not be. As for the statement of not spending ā€œenergy on unproductive disputesā€, what that really says, to me, is you are not willing to spend time with certain people as your time is more valuable than their time. To me, it indicates a certain level of arrogance, which you might be entitled to, how would I know? I wouldn’t."

i'm sorry you feel that way. Tho now knowing the little of your history you shared i can see how you would feel that way.
Arrogance? It is not a matter of not willing to spend time or energy with 'certain people' but rather not willing to spend time on certain behaviors, discussions. Ones that will only frustrate and upset the other person as well as myself because when it is clear we have a stalemate why continue? As for entitlement--i to think/feel we are all 'entitled', have a right, to choose how and with whom we spend our energy on, or engaging with. i suspect there are people on every platform i've every been on who think i'm not 'worth' their time/energy and that's ok--i've never been everyone's cup of tea.
There are people on this forum whose way of talking to others is much more confrontational and brusque than i generally am some of them i mostly avoid, some i engage with in some contexts. We agree on some things and disagree on others. That's the way it is life. We all have experiences that shape how we react.
BTW while i did get a college degree late in life (age 48) people often assumed i already had one because like my Dad who only had an 8th grade education i read extensively, have a good memory and synthesize my own ideas from and about the things i read.

@Aneeda72 also said
"I am not impressed that your dad ended a disagreement in the manner you mentioned or that your sister’s husband was intimidated by his action. I am surprised that you seem proud of it. I've been that piece of lumber. Your dad’s action were the actions of a bully."

The first sentence in bold is why you drew the conclusion of the second. But Dad did not do it to 'intimidate BIL' (Who by the way was a WWII army vet and close Dad's age than my sister's) And you never considered HE may been being overtly hostile, seeing how far he could push (this was his nature, tho you have no way of telling from my story i guess i should have thrown in more detail). Dad did it because the simplest way to support his own view was to demonstrate that one could indeed break boards with little preparation using physics principles. When something is telling you physical action is 'impossible' isn't the easiest way to make your case to demonstrate that it can indeed be done?

Again i'm sorry my words upset you and called up awful memories for you. i like you too.
i am glad that tho you said you didn't want to 'engage' me, i'm thinking you meant get into lengthy discussion over your statements to me, that you spoke your heart about them. Ironically by calling me out about your perception of and reaction to those posts but stating you don't want to 'engage' you are exercising your right to choose how involved you get in any point of contention with someone else.

This is extra lengthy because i won't address you about these two things again unless you choose to address them, out of respect for wishes. i reserve the right to talk about them with anyone else who has anything to say about them.
I said I did not want to engage with you because I agreed, thought that was obvious, I am not in your league of education, or writing ability; therefore, it is almost pointless for me to try and press a point without an equal ā€œplayingā€ ground.

I don’t think I said anything about entitlement. I would doubt anyone on any platform would find you not worth their time. Again, the sounds like, hmm, deflection. It’s probably not the right word but it’s the word that comes to my mind or self depreciation. I have found some things you say to be confrontational and brusque. But I have no objections to those methods.

I did not make any guess as to when you received a college education, just noting that you have one higher than mine, probably much higher šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚. Also, I think you give much more thought to what you write than I do. Yup, I am a fan of yours for sure. 😊. Wish I had your skills, yes, yes I do.

However, since you are not your dad, you have no ideal of his true motive or feelings behind his actions. His action (your dads) were aggressive and the BIL (?) reacted as if it was by your own statements. I do not know your dads true motive or feelings; but I go by if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck-it’s probably a duck. I think, at that point in time, he was a bully.

But I can not convince you he was, and you can not convince me he was not. So a discussion about our opinions over this is a non starter, thus no reason to engage. But, hey, if you want to I am good to go. I have a lot of experience with male bullies, a huge amount of experience. The college of hard knocks so to speak. I have a masterā€œs degree in bullies, male and female.

I agree. You can talk about this as much as you want to whoever you want. I never said you could not or should not. But, to me, the fact that you brought up it up, suggested that I said something I did not, is part of that speaking ā€with authorityā€, and a touch of arrogance.
 
People on this forum ( and one lady on this thread) have called me horrible names, goaded me, written things to hurt or undermine my character. I look at them as if I were looking at a hurt puppy, feel sadness for them because they generally have terrible inside hurts which cause them to lash out at anyone. I can't help them or erase the things that made them be like this. I just feel sad for them.
Well, you might be talking about me or not. But since I am on this thread, I’ll assume it’s me you refer to: as will many others. šŸ˜‚

I rarely reply to your threads or what you say. There are a few people on SF that I try to never reply to. I did ask, in the past, how you know your angles are angles and not demons. You did not answer. I think you considered that ā€œgloatingā€ you at the time. I considered it to be a valid question. I would still like an answer.

I don’t think I ever called you ā€œhorribleā€œ names, or have written anything to hurt or undermine your character. If I did, I would like to see the posts. I have never sent you a PM.

People are not puppies.

To compare a person to a dog or a puppy is insulting and degrading. People do not need anyone’s else’s sadness, they have enough of their own. People need understanding, compassion, empathy, and respect especially when triggered by a familiar descriptive aggressive incidence.

@fewdon realized that she had triggered a memory. She responded appropriately, and I appreciate her response. I have seen a lot of things in my life, as have many on the forum. When you post, you never can be sure what the response will be, as in real life.
 
I said I did not want to engage with you because I agreed, thought that was obvious, I am not in your league of education, or writing ability; therefore, it is almost pointless for me to try and press a point without an equal ā€œplayingā€ ground.

I don’t think I said anything about entitlement. I would doubt anyone on any platform would find you not worth their time. Again, the sounds like, hmm, deflection. It’s probably not the right word but it’s the word that comes to my mind or self depreciation. I have found some things you say to be confrontational and brusque. But I have no objections to those methods.

I did not make any guess as to when you received a college education, just noting that you have one higher than mine, probably much higher šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚. Also, I think you give much more thought to what you write than I do. Yup, I am a fan of yours for sure. 😊. Wish I had your skills, yes, yes I do.

However, since you are not your dad, you have no ideal of his true motive or feelings behind his actions. His action (your dads) were aggressive and the BIL (?) reacted as if it was by your own statements. I do not know your dads true motive or feelings; but I go by if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck-it’s probably a duck. I think, at that point in time, he was a bully.

But I can not convince you he was, and you can not convince me he was not. So a discussion about our opinions over this is a non starter, thus no reason to engage. But, hey, if you want to I am good to go. I have a lot of experience with male bullies, a huge amount of experience. The college of hard knocks so to speak. I have a masterā€œs degree in bullies, male and female.

I agree. You can talk about this as much as you want to whoever you want. I never said you could not or should not. But, to me, the fact that you brought up it up, suggested that I said something I did not, is part of that speaking ā€with authorityā€, and a touch of arrogance
Entitlement, you said: "To me, it indicates a certain level of arrogance, which you might be entitled to,"

i generally reread things i'm 'debating' to be sure i read correctly, i also have a tendency to 'overthink' at times and forget that not everyone means what they say and says what they mean.

Will not argue with about my Dad and BIL incident--you did NOT know either of them , i did.

As for your last paragraph it was a pre-emptive clarifying statement. Because it occurred to me that you might be upset if someone else engaged me about it and i responded to their statements. Tho the only way i would have mentioned you is to say that while i'll discuss the points you bring up with most anyone, i will NOT discuss you with them, that's between you and me.
 
Entitlement, you said: "To me, it indicates a certain level of arrogance, which you might be entitled to,"

i generally reread things i'm 'debating' to be sure i read correctly, i also have a tendency to 'overthink' at times and forget that not everyone means what they say and says what they mean.

Will not argue with about my Dad and BIL incident--you did NOT know either of them , i did.

As for your last paragraph it was a pre-emptive clarifying statement. Because it occurred to me that you might be upset if someone else engaged me about it and i responded to their statements. Tho the only way i would have mentioned you is to say that while i'll discuss the points you bring up with most anyone, i will NOT discuss you with them, that's between you and me.
Well, I misread the way you used entitlement, so I stand corrected. I did use the word. I concede the point to you.

You did not complete my sentence which included I might not know whether there was entitlement or not or something to that effect. Feel free to be more precise. I am not a precise person.

Yes, I do not know you, I do not know your father. I only know my father. And when my father made a fist and put a hole in the wall, I knew it was time to disappear or the next hole would be in me. Seems your BIL knew the same thing.

I do know only what you wrote and you wrote your BIL was or seemed imtimidated, you can copy what you wrote here if you want to. But this is why I did not want to engage on this subject with you. šŸ˜‚. As you said before, why waste your energy on this?

You can discuss me if you like with the world of SF. @win231 says I want the attention. I did LOVE the birthday greetings. Hmm, ā€œa pre-emptive clarifying statementā€. 😮 who knew I was capable of such a thing? See, that’s how I knew you had more education than me. It shows. 😊.
 
I would love to say that words said in anger cannot hurt me but I cannot say that and be truthful. I would never let the one slinging the words know how deep felt the words might be but I hear them and remember what was said. Someone very wise told me that my tongue is a two edge sword. That words cut two ways. I find that true.

I try very hard not to get caught up in a word slinging contest because when I let loose I go for blood and when all is said and done I am the one who has to make amends. I am the one responsible for my words and behavior. If I do not make these amends I stand on the edge of an abyss that I fell into a long time ago. It took great pain, suffering and self analysis to crawl my way up and out of that abyss and I do not want to ever return there.

I have mentioned here before I want to keep growing as a more helpful and spiritual being. It is an everyday task. One tool I use is to l take time to go over the things I was called and accused of to see if they have any validity and not surprisingly some times they do. If it is a truth I have to own it and do the best I can to correct that defect in my character. That is how I turn a cruel word into a tool for growth. Kind of like I'll show them I will grow............:love:
 
I try very hard not to get caught up in a word slinging contest because when I let loose I go for blood and when all is said and done I am the one who has to make amends. I am the one responsible for my words and behavior. If I do not make these amends I stand on the edge of an abyss that I fell into a long time ago. It took great pain, suffering and self analysis to crawl my way up and out of that abyss and I do not want to ever return there.
@oldpop I so get that

Wrote something along those lines awhile back;


It’s so so very easy for me to mix it up
Growing up, it was fun
Youth has these challenges
I met most face on

It can follow one thru young adulthood
Boxing is no cure…thought it might be

A verbal skirmish is just a weak compromise
But it’s the same thing, really

Heh, even got paid to do that
Thought I got good at it
Pride is such a disguised enabler

Get old enough, you come to some determinations, some real values, seems

People, any, are of immeasurable value
Maybe they don’t even know it
Don’t matter
I know it

Sometimes I revert to my old ways
It disgusts me
I don’t hate myself for it
I just get sickened, low in spirit, then angry
Butchering wood helps
Then I swear, never again
When ā€˜again’ happens, I do more swearing, in earnest

I am very sorry to have brought myself so low to have verbally skirmished with anyone here
Nobody needs that, nobody, not in this day
There’s plenty of travail to circle the globe all by itself without my assistance
It's a form of perpetual motion
I really don't need to be a proponent of that pestilence
 
That's why I left this forum.
Good that you have come back.
On another site I am on there is the ability to mute or block members so there is no interaction between them.
Not able to see their posts, nor them seeing my posts. Though I have never blocked or muted anyone.
If there is someone trying to bait me, or being nasty towards me I simply do not respond at all.
They eventually stop because they are not getting the reaction they expect.
I hope you stay here and enjoy your time here.
Ignore the detractors
 

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