Fascinated by hallucinogenics & psychedelics

Since we're all sharing:

Often use of any substance is an attempt to self-medicate--to quiet their/our minds for a while. There have been studies that show if people even think they've been consuming alcohol they begin behaving in various 'drunk' ways depending on the individual--quiet, morose, boisterous or belligerent. For many it gives them an excuse for behavior they don't allow themselves when sober.

Despite many of my friends making various things available i didn't even try cannabis or any hallucinogen until the 70's. Because i knew i already had some Mental Health concerns and i was leery until i felt more stable.

The first time i had cannabis the main thing it did was heighten all my senses--for someone with hyperaccusia (Hearing outside what is considered normal human range) that was sheer torture. Later i learned there were different strains with different effects and i had a couple of 'mellow' experiences with it. i could probably count on my two hands the total number of experiences with psychotropic 'substances' from cannabis to LSD and Mescaline. Actually got more out the mescaline experience then the LSD. But used the first 2 times and second 1 time. By the late 70's there were too many people 'cutting' products with dangerous/deadly things. If i didn't know exactly where it came from i wouldn't use any of that stuff. Especially since by then i had my sons wanted to always be fully present for them.

Fortunately for me i learned formal meditation in spring of 1979 joined a group of practitioners and learned how much meditation can do for us. The book on neuroplasticity i'm reading basically confirms some of the feelings i've had about it over the years. You can not just develop a mental habit of taking a broader perspective of reality but you can physically rewire your brain to do so. Neurons that fire together, wire together--new 'mental maps' for perceptions as well as actions can be formed. How we perceive any data from senses is not a function of those data collection systems---it is rather a function of the brain--how it interprets the data.
 

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feywon said:
Rather the substances are reacting with the person's body chemistry and any existing issues they have.
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Well of course. All illness is caused because something is reacting to the body's chemistry. I guess we could say the flu germ doesn't cause the flu, the flu germ just reacts with the person's body. The end result is the same. we inhale the germ we get the flu, we smoke the weed we get schizophrenia. Unless we're lucky.

Many people read the warnings about these drugs and latch onto words and phrases like "people who are susceptible" and think, "Oh, okay then. It wont happen to me because I'm not susceptible." Most of us have no idea if we're susceptible or or not and we certainly don't know if the neighbor's kids are susceptible or not.
 

Della said:
Well of course. All illness is caused because something is reacting to the body's chemistry. I guess we could say the flu germ doesn't cause the flu, the flu germ just reacts with the person's body. The end result is the same. we inhale the germ we get the flu, we smoke the weed we get schizophrenia. Unless we're lucky.

Many people read the warnings about these drugs and latch onto words and phrases like "people who are susceptible" and think, "Oh, okay then. It wont happen to me because I'm not susceptible." Most of us have no idea if we're susceptible or or not and we certainly don't know if the neighbor's kids are susceptible or not.
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Schizophrenia can have a genetic component, one of the simplest ways, without expensive DNA analysis to know there's a risk is to look/ask around---have people in the family been diagnosed with it? Or any MH issue?

Amphetamines and cocaine, neither of which i ever tried, are whole different category of drug than cannabis and hallucinogens. 1) i was a very high energy person as it was and 2) i saw the negative effects on others, and saw no benefit in them worth the risk.
 
Your right @Della. I think many of us on SF have overdosed some kind of drug ( that includes alcohol ). I think it is just the way we are wired as humans. Sometimes we go to far, sometimes we don't go far enough, and this axiom applies to hundreds of potentially harmful activities. I don't think that banning those things is the way to go. We would have to ban driving, eating junk food, casual sex, even coffee. ( I can't drink caffeinated coffee, I get terrible jitters and I can't function well at all )
 
Nathan said:
Here's what I've seen: people who are comfortable with uncertainty are less likely to experience negative outcomes with psychedelics and marijuana. Other people who are used to a more secure and predictable reality are more likely to have an adverse reaction.
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i agree and that observation would be relevant to @OneEyedDiva's thread about Cognitive Flexibility. i've said more than once that i'm actually kind of grateful for all the adversity i've faced in my life, tho i wouldn't wish some of it on my worst enemy: It taught me how unpredictable life and human beings are, but that i can deal with it.
 
I did various things from the ages of about 17 to 20. Pot, mild psychedelics mostly. None of it has ever interested me since.

I see it this way: The path to enlightenment (whatever that is) is long and difficult. Psychedelic drugs represent a shortcut, but one that has its own dangers. I took that shortcut at the time and it helped me. Now I'm content to find my own way through study, contemplation, travel, and other experiences (including my own form of religion). Things like watching and studying birds, trying to learn the mysteries of the piano, reading about the history of science and discovery. Long walks, long bicycle rides, visiting strange or unusual places. (I recommend the Rock of Solutre in the southern part of Burgundy).

What works for me won't work for everyone else, and I fully acknowledge that.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Your right @Della. I think many of us on SF have overdosed some kind of drug ( that includes alcohol ). I think it is just the way we are wired as humans. Sometimes we go to far, sometimes we don't go far enough, and this axiom applies to hundreds of potentially harmful activities. I don't think that banning those things is the way to go. We would have to ban driving, eating junk food, casual sex, even coffee. ( I can't drink caffeinated coffee, I get terrible jitters and I can't function well at all )
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No we wouldn't. We didn't have to ban junk food because we banned thalidomide. Most of those things (like driving) have useful qualities as well as dangerous ones. Even so we've banned driving at 120 mph and no one thought we would have to ban all driving because of that.

We've always banned food and drugs after they prove to be particularly dangerous. Some countries have recently banned high fructose corn syrup. No one seemed worried that they were now going to have to ban everything. Of course no one was enjoying getting high on high fructose corn syrup.


feywon said:
Schizophrenia can have a genetic component, one of the simplest ways, without expensive DNA analysis to know there's a risk is to look/ask around---have people in the family been diagnosed with it? Or any MH issue?
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There is no history in my or my husband's family of any sort of mental illness, and that's true of the large majority of people who get it. Having it in the family just means you're at a higher risk of getting these diseases. Not having it in the family doesn't mean you are at no risk.
 
Fascinated by hallucinogenics & psychedelics
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My neighbor expressed interest in trying psychedelics, I tried to discourage him from that, as I believe he has too many "demons" in his history that he hasn't dealt with. If he were to proceed with such an experiment, I would hope he would enlist some kind of mental health practitioner to monitor that.
 
I have a good life, my mind is good and when it is not it’s only temporary. I get an opportunity to use psychedelics in these later years of life it will not only be different from my youth but also very meaningful.
 
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feywon said:
i agree and that observation would be relevant to @OneEyedDiva's thread about Cognitive Flexibility. i've said more than once that i'm actually kind of grateful for all the adversity i've faced in my life, tho i wouldn't wish some of it on my worst enemy: It taught me how unpredictable life and human beings are, but that i can deal with it.
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Interesting, I've not heard that term...here's a definition I came across:
Cognitive flexibility refers to the ability to switch between thinking about two different concepts or to think about multiple concepts simultaneously. sciencedirect.com
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I'll have to go find @OneEyedDiva's thread....
 
I tried LSD with a group of girls I hung around w/in high school. I saw a lot of colors, but I didn't like it.
I couldn't wait for it to wear off.

Now magic mushrooms, those were fun. Did those w/a gfriend and we laughed a lot. But, after a couple of times of doing them, the novelty wore off.
Haven't touched either of those since. Other drugs, yes, but not those. lol

Never felt any sort of enlightenment...... o_O
 
I do not believe in such a thing as a path to enlightenment. Enlightenment comes from living one’s life while gathering information and experience to be aware of ourselves in sync with the world as best we understand.
To some, the experience is profound, changing people‘s lives forever.

Psychedelics are not to be feared, only as a means to observe what the mind feels and sees.
 
I have no desire to do psychedelics again. Been there, done that. Then again, it might be cool to do some and then go downtown just to observe people and all the activity going on. I would need someone to accompany me in case I started to lose it. Hallucinating at home by myself doesn't seem like much fun. I'd probably start thinking about things I didn't want to think about and wouldn't be able to stop. That could be dangerous, especially with firearms in the house. Meh, I don't know. TV can be extremely entertaining while on acid.
 
Doing acid while wearing virtual reality goggles might be cool. I might ask for that for Xmas (the goggles, not the acid). I need to research them a bit more as far as what you can do with VR goggles. Some bands have put out VR musical videos. And there are games and virtual travel shows. Hmmm... sounds like it might be a good gift. :)
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Boy psychedelics must really be a thing now. I found this article in Pocket, which I get via emails, that poses the question will they transform psychiatry.
https://www.theguardian.com/science...cket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits
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It occurred to me that with the truth about cannabis finally surfacing, and so many states legalizing cannabis that other "verboten" substances have become the focus of interest. Scientific-medical research on Cannabis and psychedelics has been stifled since the 1970s when Nixon declared the "war on drugs".

Permanent underclass creation​

Approximately 1 million people are incarcerated every year in the United States for drug law violations.
Penalties for drug crimes among American youth almost always involve permanent or semi-permanent removal from opportunities for education, strip them of voting rights, and later involve creation of criminal records which make employment more difficult. One-fifth of the US prison population are incarcerated for a drug offence. Thus, some authors maintain that the War on Drugs has resulted in the creation of a permanent underclass of people who have few educational or job opportunities, often as a result of being punished for drug offenses which in turn have resulted from attempts to earn a living in spite of having no education or job opportunities.
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I could say more, but for those that care...they already know, and for those that don't care...well, I'd just be wasting my time.
 
This is how the elite screwed up. They made drugs illegal, but not alcohol...which is a gateway drug to marijuana, then cocaine/uppers, downers, opioids, psch meds...and with planned obsolescence as there goal, they put in prison 1/5 th of our population, started siphoning the tax money from the middle class, impoverishing millions, gutted the middle class...while keeping the drugs flowing, then put all the "money" in a cloud where they can just create wealth out of thin air, and the rest of the people on earth will perish. Wrong!
Even though we will live our final days on "soma" ( it's the law ) we will take up minimal resources and then become obsolete. Wrong again.
We don't need those "things" that have enslaved us. We are all connecting to a higher truth within ourselves through psychedelics and thus creating the vibrations to connect with our alien heritage. Once we have established the ability to understand our alien friends they will begin to land. The elite will be eliminated who are the ones that enslaved humanity. We will find common cause to reverse the damage that has been done to our mother, Earth. Within a thousand years we will be more in harmony with each other and our alien friends than they were in Atlantis.

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Anyway, LSD is being replaced at an exponential rate as I write this with, Ayahuasca.

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It won't be long until it hits the streets, and the ascension begins. :)
 
Paco Dennis said:
Anyway, LSD is being replaced at an exponential rate as I write this with, Ayahuasca.

"If you’re a spiritual seeker, it’s no surprise that you’ve become interested in an Ayahuasca experience. Ayahuasca has been a catalyst in spiritual awakening for people worldwide.
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Depends on what sort of " spirits" you are seeking. This drug is used mainly in the Amazon by the shamans, to evoke spirits.

Ayahuasca contains chemicals that can cause hallucinations, tremors, dilated pupils, increased blood pressure, nausea, and vomiting. Life-threatening side effects and death have also been linked with ayahuasca use.

Why do people risk their brain health with this stuff!
 

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