Anti-vaxxers aren't just anti-vax; they're trying to prevent others from getting vaccinated

Interesting , now in Toronto Ontario, the higher numbers are 1453 new cases , out of those 613 were not vaccinated, 718 have 2 shots.
1 shot 26 and unknown is 96.
Have not changed my mind , even when they change how they report the numbers. I believe in making my own decisions.
All I say is stop and think...research then decide.. :D :coffee:
 

The mortality rate for unvaccinated people who get infected is currently about 5%. For vaccinated, it's less than one percent. So if you do get covid-19, you're far more likely to die from it if you're not vaccinated than if you are, but there's still a pretty good chance you'll survive. That's due in part to doctors getting better at treating covid-19 patients.

Still, you could suffer a great deal if you're infected and hospitalized for covid-19, and you're far more likely to be hospitalized if you're not vaccinated.
 
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Becky1951 said:
Yes but why do people ignore the fact that the vaccinated also are being hospitalized and its not *all* the unvaccinated filling up hospitals causing other health conditions to have to wait?
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I don't think that anyone is "ignoring" that 2% of the vaccinated are getting ill. That still leaves 98% of the people who are clogging up the hospitals falling into the unvaccinated category. 2% vs. 98% seems pretty obvious to most people. As the holidays, and people gathering together arrive, and another spike arrives, this disparity in numbers will become more obvious....hopefully, even to those who think this pandemic is a Hoax, or Conspiracy.
 
Irwin said:
The mortality rate for unvaccinated people who get infected is currently about 5%. For unvaccinated, it's less than one percent. So if you do get covid-19, you're far more likely to die from it if you're not vaccinated than if you are, but there's still a pretty good chance you'll survive. That's due in part to doctors getting better at treating covid-19 patients.

Still, you could suffer a great deal if you're infected and hospitalized for covid-19, and you're far more likely to be hospitalized if you're not vaccinated.
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Irwin, I think you mean for vaccinated, it's less than one percent. (Not unvaccinated.)
 
Chic, you are saying that you have special powers that enable you to kill vaccinated people, while preserving your own life? Really? That's what you "relate to?"

I guess it's finally happened. The loony tunes contingent has taken over this forum. (I know you're going to say you were "just kidding," and your buddy John Cycling was just kidding, but there really is nothing funny about this subject or your attitude about it.)

Anyone who has a ha-ha-ha attitude about this disease is sick. And the longer you go on laughing, and trying to convince as many people as possible to be as terrified of a harmless vaccine as you are, the more people will become very ill and die, and the longer it will take for the world to return to normal. Thanks a lot.
 
Sunny said:
Chic, you are saying that you have special powers that enable you to kill vaccinated people, while preserving your own life? Really? That's what you "relate to?"

I guess it's finally happened. The loony tunes contingent has taken over this forum. (I know you're going to say you were "just kidding," and your buddy John Cycling was just kidding, but there really is nothing funny about this subject or your attitude about it.)

Anyone who has a ha-ha-ha attitude about this disease is sick. And the longer you go on laughing, and trying to convince as many people as possible to be as terrified of a harmless vaccine as you are, the more people will become very ill and die, and the longer it will take for the world to return to normal. Thanks a lot.
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Of course I have no supernatural powers protecting me. If my picture was in poor taste, I apologize.
But it is equally sick to see vaccinated people who want to lock the unvaccinated away into detainment centers or health camps for life, or worse, to forcibly vaccinate people which is on the table in Germany. So the sword cuts both ways.

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Geezerette said:
What I resent the most is that when the non vacc people become critically ill with the virus they are needlessly, selfishly taking hospital beds away from EVERYBODY, vaxxed or not , who have other critical illnesses or physical injuries that need acute care.
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Needlessly, selfishly? Some can't have the vaccine. Here, vaccinated folks are very sick with it. I have 3 friends who are vaxxed, have the booster, and are sick with it in the hospital and one isn't expected to live.

Please understand this is a bug that is quite different. Thanks. Maybe some are not needlessly or selfishly taking up beds.
 
Pookie said:
I was recently promoted to supervisor at work, and I have told my team even if you have a slight cold - stay home!
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I think that is a good stance to take.

Last Saturday I felt I was coming down with a cold. I have not had a full blown cold in 52 years. Every few years I will feel one coming on,but by the next day it is gone. So I assumed that is what was happening last Saturday. By Sunday I felt fine,but I did have a cough. Coughed,maybe,six times a day. Still felt fine. Then on Tuesday night I was cooking garlic and onions and realized I could not smell them at all. Couldn`t taste dinner,so I knew.

Went to the clinic on Thursday and got tested.Results were emailed to me last night-Positive. So just having a slight cold can actually be Covid.
 
In a related story,

Marcus Lamb, head of televangelist network that spreads COVID misinformation, dies of COVID-19​
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Daystar's website offers a large amount of misinformation on COVID-19, calling the vaccines a "hidden crisis" and hinting at a "dangerous truth" about their efficacy and purpose. The network has hosted a series of videos and podcasts, including by Joni, speaking out against flu vaccines, HPV vaccines and others, and featured interviews with anti-vaccine advocates including Robert Kennedy Jr. and Simone Gold, who's a member of the controversial group America's Frontline Doctors.​
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The Lambs have also touted the use of unapproved treatments for COVID-19, including ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and National Institutes of Health have repeatedly warned against using these medications to treat COVID-19.​

I don't even feel schadenfreude any more when I see stories like this. It's just sad.
 
win231 said:
^^^^ An attempt to guilt people into getting vaccinated. Same ploy previously used to guilt people into getting flu shots:
"If you don't get a flu shot, you're making others sick."
It works - for gullible non thinkers.
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I agree... my hubby gets the flu vaccine every year and I don't. I have not had a flu vaccine in over 30 years and do not plan on getting one due to I got VERY sick when I got the flu vaccine. One good thing I can say about the flu vaccine is that you know they are injecting you with the flu virus....well some know and others may not be aware. However, as I always say, we do what is best for us and our health.
 
Mrs. Robinson said:
I think that is a good stance to take.

Last Saturday I felt I was coming down with a cold. I have not had a full blown cold in 52 years. Every few years I will feel one coming on,but by the next day it is gone. So I assumed that is what was happening last Saturday. By Sunday I felt fine,but I did have a cough. Coughed,maybe,six times a day. Still felt fine. Then on Tuesday night I was cooking garlic and onions and realized I could not smell them at all. Couldn`t taste dinner,so I knew.

Went to the clinic on Thursday and got tested.Results were emailed to me last night-Positive. So just having a slight cold can actually be Covid.
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That is very interesting. So, Covid has taken over a common cold?? My niece had a cold for a few days and recovered just fine. She got over her cold and was feeling fine. Her job recommended she take a Covid test - she took the test..came out positive she was shocked because she was feeling fine.. no symptoms at all. However, she followed protocol and stayed home for a few days. She is in the medical field and knew she did not have Covid. But I guess that is the way the ball is bouncing.
 
dseag2 said:
The differences between the common cold and Covid.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...ld-flu-and-allergies-differences/art-20503981
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I have researched the difference which is not a lot of difference. I have had a few colds in the past. Loss of taste, smell.. no appetite, etc.. Some people have it worst than others. My sister had a very bad cold a few years ago.. if covid testing was out, they probably would have dx her with covid. She was sick for about a week..she called and asked me for my Hot Toddy recipe - she fixed it and was feeling fine in a few days. Also Zinc is a well hidden secret when coming down with a cold. I do not open links.. not unless its something that help feed my internal spirit or humorous.
 
No worries. The link actually illustrates that there is not much difference. I also take Zinc when I have a cold. "Cold-Eze" lozenges. And yes, they do work. I think the Omicron virus is way overhyped, which was my point.

But it is the Delta virus that has many hospitalized and dying.
 
It would be interesting to know what sort of overall vaccination rate we would have in absence of government mandates. I really wanted to get the vaccine as soon as it was available and did so at the earliest opportunity -- the booster as well. Governments or employers telling me to do so wouldn't have made any difference.

I tend to think the mandates are counter productive. They stiffen the spines of people who don't like to be told what to do. I think the government should spend more time on public education, which can be very effective (look at antismoking propaganda over the years).

However, as I cheerfully admit at my advanced age, I am often wrong but never in doubt.
 
One other thing that really irritates me: I got the vaccine and booster in part because I hate wearing a mask. Now there are still lots of places I can't go without wearing a mask. I feel like I'm Charlie Brown and the NIH is Lucy.

BTW, I went to a Christmas party last night and no one was wearing a mask. Many of the people there were teachers who have to wear a mask all day with their children. It seems really stupid to wear a mask with one group and not with another. As somebody else said, why do New Yorkers wear masks on the street while, 150 miles away, 100,000 people attend a Penn State football game totally mask-free.
 
JimBob1952 said:
One other thing that really irritates me: I got the vaccine and booster in part because I hate wearing a mask. Now there are still lots of places I can't go without wearing a mask. I feel like I'm Charlie Brown and the NIH is Lucy.

BTW, I went to a Christmas party last night and no one was wearing a mask. Many of the people there were teachers who have to wear a mask all day with their children. It seems really stupid to wear a mask with one group and not with another. As somebody else said, why do New Yorkers wear masks on the street while, 150 miles away, 100,000 people attend a Penn State football game totally mask-free.
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One of many things that don't add up. Things that don't make sense aren't true.
That's why not everyone is falling for it.
 
JimBob1952 said:
One other thing that really irritates me: I got the vaccine and booster in part because I hate wearing a mask. Now there are still lots of places I can't go without wearing a mask. I feel like I'm Charlie Brown and the NIH is Lucy.

BTW, I went to a Christmas party last night and no one was wearing a mask. Many of the people there were teachers who have to wear a mask all day with their children. It seems really stupid to wear a mask with one group and not with another. As somebody else said, why do New Yorkers wear masks on the street while, 150 miles away, 100,000 people attend a Penn State football game totally mask-free.
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People have stopped wearing masks indoors in my community pretty much now. So it's up to the individual whether or not to mask up as it should be.
 
I'm double jabbed with Pfizer and patiently waiting for my booster, I've never stopped wearing a face mask, I wear sanitised disposable gloves too. An anti-vaxxer once shouted at me to 'take your mask off it's all a hoax', try telling that to the 3 people I know that died of covid recently.
 
As this disease is still pretty new, no one has all the answers. And certainly no government does. So dealing with the pandemic varies all over the place, largely depending on who is in charge.

In my state, Maryland, it actually varies from county to county. It's the county executives who make the rules about masking, vaccines, etc. My county is very strict, and requires masks indoors when the counties next door have no such requirement. (We also have a relatively low Covid death rate, which does not surprise me.)

But even here, the rules about masks have changed, following the disease statistics. This is all still somewhat experimental, and we are constantly learning. Which is the way it should be.
 
Ebony said:
I'm double jabbed with Pfizer and patiently waiting for my booster, I've never stopped wearing a face mask, I wear sanitised disposable gloves too. An anti-vaxxer once shouted at me to 'take your mask off it's all a hoax', try telling that to the 3 people I know that died of covid recently.
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Of course everyone should mind their own business. But it's not a perfect world.
The controversy involves causes of death listed as Covid that had nothing to do with Covid. And exaggerated mortality & infection rates.
Covid is not a "Hoax" but we're not being told the truth.
 
Sunny said:
As this disease is still pretty new, no one has all the answers. And certainly no government does. So dealing with the pandemic varies all over the place, largely depending on who is in charge.

In my state, Maryland, it actually varies from county to county. It's the county executives who make the rules about masking, vaccines, etc. My county is very strict, and requires masks indoors when the counties next door have no such requirement. (We also have a relatively low Covid death rate, which does not surprise me.)

But even here, the rules about masks have changed, following the disease statistics. This is all still somewhat experimental, and we are constantly learning. Which is the way it should be.
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I don't think it's the way it should be. It's like locking one door to your house and leaving another one wide open. Either everyone should have to mask up all the time, or it should be up to the individual. A situation in which schoolteachers wear masks to work but not to parties seems ridiculous to me.
 

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