Anti-vaxxers aren't just anti-vax; they're trying to prevent others from getting vaccinated

Becky1951 said:
It's not just the unvaccinated.

This is just one state reporting, there's more.

"There have been 2,716 hospitalizations among fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts"

"The 2,716 total patients is a one-week increase of 273 fully vaxxed patients."

https://www-bostonherald-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bostonherald.com/2021/12/07/massachusetts-coronavirus-breakthrough-cases-surge-11321-last-week-smashing-record-high-for-the-state/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#aoh=16391553327256&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/12/07/massachusetts-coronavirus-breakthrough-cases-surge-11321-last-week-smashing-record-high-for-the-state/
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The way I read that is that those are positive cases, not hospitalizations. I tried to get back into the article after acciodentally closing it but it would not let me back in without paying, so I might have misread, but I am pretty sure those numbers were positive tests, not hospitalizations. Big difference.
 
Butterfly said:
The way I read that is that those are positive cases, not hospitalizations. I tried to get back into the article after acciodentally closing it but it would not let me back in without paying, so I might have misread, but I am pretty sure those numbers were positive tests, not hospitalizations. Big difference.
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""There have been 2,716 hospitalizations among fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts"

Pretty sure that says hospitalizations.
 

Why keep the back-and-forth on this topic? I don't think anyone has been persuaded either way. Great information on both sides, but I don't think it will ever make anyone on either side make a different decision. Yes, it is entertaining to read, but I'm not sure it provides anything new. I've made my decision re: protections against Covid and nothing anyone says on here will change that. Conversely, no one who has chosen not to get the vaccine will ever decide differently because of my opinion.

Is this just a means of entertainment and a way to occupy time due to boredom? Or is it a way to assert superiority? Either way, this is just meaningless IMO. I understand the need for a good, healthy difference of opinions but this has gotten tired.(n)
 
dseag2 said:
Why keep the back-and-forth on this topic? I don't think anyone has been persuaded either way. Great information on both sides, but I don't think it will ever make anyone on either side make a different decision. Yes, it is entertaining to read, but I'm not sure it provides anything new. I've made my decision re: protections against Covid and nothing anyone says on here will change that. Conversely, no one who has chosen not to get the vaccine will ever decide differently because of my opinion.

Is this just a means of entertainment and a way to occupy time due to boredom? Or is it a way to assert superiority? Either way, this is just meaningless IMO. I understand the need for a good, healthy difference of opinions but this has gotten tired.(n)
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If you're "tired," it might be a side effect of the vaccine. So you SHOULDN'T have had it. 😂

Seriously, what's wrong with sharing information? It's true that some people will argue just to feel superior (as I've said before), but just because someone debates something, it doesn't mean they're always trying to change anyone's mind. They are usually responding to the put-down artists who ridicule anyone who doesn't do as they did.
I don't care who gets vaccinated & I don't care who doesn't.
I chose not to & I've driven elderly friends to get theirs because that's what they wanted. Intelligent people don't try to change others' minds about it.
 
I should have known that you would have been the first to respond to my post. I won't attempt to spar with you because I'm not Aneeda. I'm not nearly that creative or clever at 2am. ;)
 
dseag2 said:
I should have known that you would have been the first to respond to my post. I won't attempt to spar with you because I'm not Aneeda. I'm not nearly that creative or clever at 2am. ;)
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"2:00 am?"
Like Clint Eastwood said in "High Plains Drifter" when a woman walked into his hotel room for a little fun while he was already in bed:
"A man needs his rest."
😊
 
win231 said:
Like Clint Eastwood said in "High Plains Drifter" when a woman walked into his hotel room for a little fun while he was already in bed:
"A man needs his rest."
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Yes, it is almost 2am here in Dallas. I am just tired. And yes, a man needs his rest. Going to sleep.

Much respect to you, Win. I don't know what SF would be without you! ;)
 
dseag2 said:
Why keep the back-and-forth on this topic? I don't think anyone has been persuaded either way. Great information on both sides, but I don't think it will ever make anyone on either side make a different decision. Yes, it is entertaining to read, but I'm not sure it provides anything new. I've made my decision re: protections against Covid and nothing anyone says on here will change that. Conversely, no one who has chosen not to get the vaccine will ever decide differently because of my opinion.

Is this just a means of entertainment and a way to occupy time due to boredom? Or is it a way to assert superiority? Either way, this is just meaningless IMO. I understand the need for a good, healthy difference of opinions but this has gotten tired.(n)
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No one is forcing you to read this or any thread dseag. You always have the option to go past any thread that brings you grief.

Chic, Becky, John, and the other one have as much right to contribute their non-sense as they please. It is up to Matrix to decide what's what, so stop whinging please and enjoy your Christmas!

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Yeah, this bickering and moralizing virtue signaling has been going on since, what? early last summer? And lately it seems like it might have escalated into a large amount of internet scapegoating onto unvaxed people of the world population. Useless is that, because as 'win' said it's CovSars's fault, not anyone else's.

Apologies if I didn't put the exact quote -- my sense of this whole thing is that sometimes people need somebody or some 'other' group of 'somebody else' to blame when times get desperate.

My interest and curiosity is more about what people think and are doing in light of our comman situation than it is about the actual SarsCov2 virus though. Must be my anthropology back ground. So I appreciate people having ideas and conversations and reactions to gov's mandates and latest advice and number projections, which are sometimes so contradictory it sets me to laughing. 😄

Everybody do keep safe 'cause somebody loves ya!
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Shero said:
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No one is forcing you to read this or any thread dseag. You always have the option to go past any thread that brings you grief.

Chic, Becky, John, and the other one have as much right to contribute their non-sense as they please. It is up to Matrix to decide what's what, so stop whinging please and enjoy your Christmas!

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You also have as much right to contribute your nonsense as you please. You certainly exercise that right often.
Nonsense is one word.
And be nice to dseag2. He's lotsa fun. :giggle:
 
Pepper said:
I haven't had one in a million years! Would you share your recipe?
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Your favorite brown alcohol - whiskey, etc., honey, lemon.

Pour a small amount of alcohol in a cup - more than small amount depending on how you feel, a small amount of honey ( I use raw organic honey) and squeeze of lemon - microwave until hot. Sip - be careful it will be HOT. It's good at bedtime but can take anytime - just make sure you are curled up because it will relax you. This is an old Folk remedy. I do not take cough medicine - Hot Toddy is my go to. Have not had a cold in years.
 
Alice November said:
Yeah, this bickering and moralizing virtue signaling has been going on since, what? early last summer? And lately it seems like it might have escalated into a large amount of internet scapegoating onto unvaxed people of the world population. Useless is that, because as 'win' said it's CovSars's fault, not anyone else's.

Apologies if I didn't put the exact quote -- my sense of this whole thing is that sometimes people need somebody or some 'other' group of 'somebody else' to blame when times get desperate.

My interest and curiosity is more about what people think and are doing in light of our comman situation than it is about the actual SarsCov2 virus though. Must be my anthropology back ground. So I appreciate people having ideas and conversations and reactions to gov's mandates and latest advice and number projections, which are sometimes so contradictory it sets me to laughing. 😄

Everybody do keep safe 'cause somebody loves ya!
🌸💛🐠💛🌸💛🕊💛🌸
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Yup... On Point 😂
 
win231 said:
Of course everyone should mind their own business. But it's not a perfect world.
The controversy involves causes of death listed as Covid that had nothing to do with Covid. And exaggerated mortality & infection rates.
Covid is not a "Hoax" but we're not being told the truth.
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I've know several people that died and they said it was Covid but it wasn't.
 
Sunny said:
As this disease is still pretty new, no one has all the answers. And certainly no government does. So dealing with the pandemic varies all over the place, largely depending on who is in charge.

In my state, Maryland, it actually varies from county to county. It's the county executives who make the rules about masking, vaccines, etc. My county is very strict, and requires masks indoors when the counties next door have no such requirement. (We also have a relatively low Covid death rate, which does not surprise me.)

But even here, the rules about masks have changed, following the disease statistics. This is all still somewhat experimental, and we are constantly learning. Which is the way it should be.
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Interesting - you say "No one has all the answers."
Uh.....no one except you. Or, so you think.
In Post #32, you say we shouldn't be "Terrified of a harmless vaccine."
You know the vaccine is harmless because.......you have all the answers.
 
This brought to mind the Polio Vaccine when I was young. A friend I knew was in an iron lung for months after getting Polio. That was before the vaccine came out. Thank God he recovered. I am so happy they came out with the vaccine. Have there been many cases of people getting Polio after the vaccine came out?
 
Sassycakes said:
This brought to mind the Polio Vaccine when I was young. A friend I knew was in an iron lung for months after getting Polio. That was before the vaccine came out. Thank God he recovered. I am so happy they came out with the vaccine. Have there been many cases of people getting Polio after the vaccine came out?
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The polio vaccine was created after a long trial of errors then success. There hasn't been another outbreak since then. The Covid vaccine was rushed, how many cases of Covid have there been since it came out? They are called breakthrough cases and there have been thousands so far.

Just look up Covid breakthrough cases and you will find different states reporting breakthrough cases.

Just a few days ago,

Cornell partially shuts down its campus due to more than 900 COVID-19 cases in possible omicron outbreak​


Cornell University has partially shut down its Ithaca, N.Y., campus due to a “rapid spread” of COVID-19 cases among the student body, the Ivy League school announced Tuesday.

The university’s online COVID dashboard counted 469 active student cases as of Tuesday afternoon. It was updated later in the day to count 903 students testing positive between December 7-13, with school officials telling CNN that a “very high percentage” of them are omicron variant cases in fully vaccinated people. Some 97% of Cornell’s population is fully vaccinated.

“Virtually every case of the omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot,” Vice President for University Relations Joel Malina told CNN.

University president Martha E. Pollack posted a statement online updating the campus community to the worsening COVID outbreak on Tuesday. And she revealed that lab tests have identified evidence of the highly contagious omicron variant in a “significant number” of Monday’s COVID-19 positive student samples. But she cautioned that their evidence of omicron is “preliminary” after PCR testing identified a genetic marker that has been identified as a hallmark of the omicron variant. So while the school awaits confirmatory sequencing information, it is proceeding as if omicron is the source of the outbreak.

“As a result, and out of an abundance of caution, the university is moving to Alert Level Red and announcing a number of immediate measures, outlined below,” she wrote.

The emergency measures include moving all final exams online as of noon on Tuesday.

All undergraduate university activities and university-sponsored events are canceled — and that includes the Dec. 18 graduation ceremony for December graduates.

Students who have tested negative for COVID-19 within the past 48 hours (Saturday or Sunday) who wish to leave campus are allowed, and they are encouraged to wear face masks and take another COVID-19 test when they reach their destination, and self-quarantine until they learn the results.

Students who have not tested negative for COVID within the past 48 hours are advised to get tested ASAP and stay in Ithaca, in their residences, and to “severely limit” their interactions with others until they get their COVID test results.

The campus is not on complete lockdown. Offices and labs will remain open, and student dining areas are still open — although students are encouraged to grab their food and go back to their residences. But many facilities, including libraries, fitness centers and gyms, are closed.

In the meantime, visitors and guests are not allowed on campus, except for those picking up students for the winter break. And those visitors are urged to keep their masks on.

Finally, mandatory COVID testing will continue as normal for employees.

Cornell began trending on Twitter in the hours after news of the partial campus shutdown broke, sparking almost 13,000 tweets as of 5 p.m. ET.

“While I want to provide reassurance that, to date, we have not seen severe illness in any of our infected students, we do have a role to play in reducing the spread of the disease in the broader community,” Pollack wrote.

Cornell’s last full day of classes was Dec. 7, and final exams are scheduled through Dec. 18.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/c...ases-in-possible-omicron-outbreak-11639514565
 
Becky1951 said:
The polio vaccine was created after a long trial of errors then success. There hasn't been another outbreak since then. The Covid vaccine was rushed, how many cases of Covid have there been since it came out? They are called breakthrough cases and there have been thousands so far.

Just look up Covid breakthrough cases and you will find different states reporting breakthrough cases.

Just a few days ago,

Cornell partially shuts down its campus due to more than 900 COVID-19 cases in possible omicron outbreak​


Cornell University has partially shut down its Ithaca, N.Y., campus due to a “rapid spread” of COVID-19 cases among the student body, the Ivy League school announced Tuesday.

The university’s online COVID dashboard counted 469 active student cases as of Tuesday afternoon. It was updated later in the day to count 903 students testing positive between December 7-13, with school officials telling CNN that a “very high percentage” of them are omicron variant cases in fully vaccinated people. Some 97% of Cornell’s population is fully vaccinated.

“Virtually every case of the omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot,” Vice President for University Relations Joel Malina told CNN.

University president Martha E. Pollack posted a statement online updating the campus community to the worsening COVID outbreak on Tuesday. And she revealed that lab tests have identified evidence of the highly contagious omicron variant in a “significant number” of Monday’s COVID-19 positive student samples. But she cautioned that their evidence of omicron is “preliminary” after PCR testing identified a genetic marker that has been identified as a hallmark of the omicron variant. So while the school awaits confirmatory sequencing information, it is proceeding as if omicron is the source of the outbreak.

“As a result, and out of an abundance of caution, the university is moving to Alert Level Red and announcing a number of immediate measures, outlined below,” she wrote.

The emergency measures include moving all final exams online as of noon on Tuesday.

All undergraduate university activities and university-sponsored events are canceled — and that includes the Dec. 18 graduation ceremony for December graduates.

Students who have tested negative for COVID-19 within the past 48 hours (Saturday or Sunday) who wish to leave campus are allowed, and they are encouraged to wear face masks and take another COVID-19 test when they reach their destination, and self-quarantine until they learn the results.

Students who have not tested negative for COVID within the past 48 hours are advised to get tested ASAP and stay in Ithaca, in their residences, and to “severely limit” their interactions with others until they get their COVID test results.

The campus is not on complete lockdown. Offices and labs will remain open, and student dining areas are still open — although students are encouraged to grab their food and go back to their residences. But many facilities, including libraries, fitness centers and gyms, are closed.

In the meantime, visitors and guests are not allowed on campus, except for those picking up students for the winter break. And those visitors are urged to keep their masks on.

Finally, mandatory COVID testing will continue as normal for employees.

Cornell began trending on Twitter in the hours after news of the partial campus shutdown broke, sparking almost 13,000 tweets as of 5 p.m. ET.

“While I want to provide reassurance that, to date, we have not seen severe illness in any of our infected students, we do have a role to play in reducing the spread of the disease in the broader community,” Pollack wrote.

Cornell’s last full day of classes was Dec. 7, and final exams are scheduled through Dec. 18.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/c...ases-in-possible-omicron-outbreak-11639514565
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The shut down Broadway too. All these people are fully vaccinated with no unvaxxed allowed so how are the unvaxxed responsible for this when they are not allowed anywhere near?
 
Sassycakes said:
This brought to mind the Polio Vaccine when I was young. A friend I knew was in an iron lung for months after getting Polio. That was before the vaccine came out. Thank God he recovered. I am so happy they came out with the vaccine. Have there been many cases of people getting Polio after the vaccine came out?
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The polio paralysis condition was caused by the use of <-- mercury, lead in water pipes, arsenic used in pesticides, anesthetic drugs and similar toxins. <-- The same things continue to happen today from the use of those and similar toxic substances.

Just like now, the real causes were covered up and blamed on a virus. Now people are tied down on a bed, paralyzed with drugs against their will, intubated with a tube that's crammed down their throats, and slowly choked and starved to death with the use of antibiotic drugs that starve the cells of the body and hasten the process. Intubation is always a barbaric procedure, and very few ever survive.

Back then and now, the truth remains that no virus has ever been isolated, <-- which is a requirement to prove they exist.
 
John cycling said:
The polio paralysis condition was caused by the use of <-- mercury, lead in water pipes, arsenic used in pesticides, anesthetic drugs and similar toxins. <-- The same things continue to happen today from the use of those and similar toxic substances.

Just like now, the real causes were covered up and blamed on a virus. Now people are tied down on a bed, paralyzed with drugs against their will, intubated with a tube that's crammed down their throats, and slowly chocked and starved to death with the use of antibiotic drugs that starve the cells of the body and hasten the process. Intubation is always a barbaric procedure, and very few ever survive.

Back then and now, the truth remains that no virus has ever been isolated, <-- which is a requirement to prove they exist.
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Sigh :sleep:🤷‍♀️
 
“Moulin Rouge! The Musical” was the latest Broadway hit to fall victim to the resurgence of COVID-19 cases in the Big Apple as the show was abruptly canceled Thursday night with fans already in their seats.

The sudden cancellation at the Al Hirschfeld Theatre was due to “a late-in-the-day positive test result in the company,” a spokesperson confirmed to The Post.

Organizers will determine the future performance schedule on Friday, the spokesperson said.

A number of other Broadway shows canceled performances this week over breakthrough coronavirus cases, but the decisions were made before the audiences were seated.

Thursday night’s decision with “Moulin Rouge! The Musical” caught attendees off guard and triggered flashbacks of the early days of the pandemic.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/broad...ed-over-covid-with-audience-already-in-seats/
 
I suspect we are quickly entering another spike in this virus...determined by how quickly this latest variant is spreading. I will not be surprised if we see some of the most disruptive conditions of the past 2 years by early next year. Broadway shows shutting down, and NFL games being rescheduled may just be the beginning of some of the most severe "interruptions" we have seen, to date.
 

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