Anti-vaxxers aren't just anti-vax; they're trying to prevent others from getting vaccinated

Three cases of covid have been detected in the nursing home where my wife is staying: one patient, one, worker, and one student who was observing. I don't know what variant it is, but that's scary when it happens in a facility with elderly patients with weakened immune systems. The worker who caught it no longer works there. I have no idea what the circumstances were.
 

Irwin said:
Three cases of covid have been detected in the nursing home where my wife is staying: one patient, one, worker, and one student who was observing. I don't know what variant it is, but that's scary when it happens in a facility with elderly patients with weakened immune systems. The worker who caught it no longer works there. I have no idea what the circumstances were.
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I'm so sorry, Irwin. I spent almost a year waving to my mother through a window and speaking with her on the phone in her assisted living facility during the height of the Covid crisis. Sounds like we are reaching the second "height". I wish all the best for your wife.
 
dseag2 said:
I'm so sorry, Irwin. I spent almost a year waving to my mother through a window and speaking with her on the phone in her assisted living facility during the height of the Covid crisis. Sounds like we are reaching the second "height". I wish all the best for your wife.
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She should be alright. They're very careful at the facility. As soon as the omicron variant showed up in Colorado — when was that, last week? — they started requiring visitors to wear plastic shields in addition to the required facemasks. All visitors are required to be vaccinated and they take the temperature of visitors before they can get past the lobby. They'll probably start testing visitors pretty soon, if that's possible to know the results immediately from tests. Obviously, they test the staff regularly.
 

The trouble with that is, it seems to be possible for a person to be carrying the virus, probably in their nasal passages or mouth, and not be sick from it. In fact, that's probably true of many of us who have been vaccinated. That is the purpose of the vaccine. The virus isn't going to disappear, but the vaccine protects us to a large extent, and probably many people are walking around with Covid in their bodies, without being aware of it. (Plus probably umpteen other diseases.)

So, what happens when one of those younger, stronger, healthier people, who are unknowingly carrying the virus, visit the nursing home? Unless they are given a test upon entry into the building, with instant results, taking their temperature isn't really proving anything one way or another.
 
Becky1951 said:
Yes but why do people ignore the fact that the vaccinated also are being hospitalized and its not *all* the unvaccinated filling up hospitals causing other health conditions to have to wait?

Vaccinated or not, Covid is the cause.
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Fully vaccinated are also dying of covid. Fully vaccinated means nothing to me compared to the results we are seeing. Comorbidities are also a contributing factor. So anyone having Comorbidities are already at risk of dying of covid vaccinated or not. Nothing makes sense to me. And dont be too quick to jump on the bandwagon. When a salesman wants to sell you his products, he will use every trigger he can to induce you to buy.

Use reasonable thinking. Dont buy everything they are selling on tv. Eat healthy and balanced, exercise and get your rest. At our age we have to use a little bit more criticle thinking. We have headache medicines and a plethora of other otc drugs to help us stay and get better. So have some good supplements as well and take them as preventative. I try to be prepared and that can be a life saver.
 
"Fully vaccinated is the needle in the unvaccinated haystack. You know it's true. Nurses and doctors are begging folks to get vaccinated. They see it, every hour of every day. I think they know what they are talking about."

Here's one answer, Pepper. Some things apparently never change.

"Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not : There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know." Jeremiah, 5:21
 
Sunny said:
"Fully vaccinated is the needle in the unvaccinated haystack. You know it's true. Nurses and doctors are begging folks to get vaccinated. They see it, every hour of every day. I think they know what they are talking about."

Here's one answer, Pepper. Some things apparently never change.

"Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not : There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know." Jeremiah, 5:21
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And those that swallow everything they are told, maybe setting themselves up for a bad case of indigestion at the very least.

To swallow or not to swallow. That is the question. 😄
 
Pauline1954 said:
And those that swallow everything they are told, maybe setting themselves up for a bad case of indigestion at the very least.

To swallow or not to swallow. That is the question. 😄
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The question is, whose truth are you swallowing? The truth being issued day after day, around the clock, by scientists, who are begging us to do what's necessary to save our own lives, and the lives of our families? Or the "truth" being concocted by tin-horn politicians who can apparently get some people to believe any nonsense, regardless of the proven facts... because they can get the "easy marks" to fall in step with them?

Personally, I know whose truth I choose to swallow.
 
Sunny said:
The question is, whose truth are you swallowing? The truth being issued day after day, around the clock, by scientists, who are begging us to do what's necessary to save our own lives, and the lives of our families? Or the "truth" being concocted by tin-horn politicians who can apparently get some people to believe any nonsense, regardless of the proven facts... because they can get the "easy marks" to fall in step with them?

Personally, I know whose truth I choose to swallow.
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But is it truth or propaganda? Awe. Your truth, my truth or The truth. Gulp! 😉
 
It appears that the Moderna 2 shots, plus the booster, are currently the best protection against both Delta and Omicron. That's what we got, and so far we haven't had any issues...other than a slightly sore arm for a day or two.

There is NO doubt, in my mind, that we will be seeing another, and perhaps very large "spike" in cases, early in 2022. It seems that almost half the population isn't fully vaccinated, or masking up/avoiding crowds, etc.

The financial markets are already showing signs of economic downturn in anticipation of what is coming. And, the hospitals are unlikely to be able to handle a large increase in patients, above what they already have.

Initial data indicates that Omicron isn't as deadly as Delta...especially for the vaccinated....but, it seems to spread much easier. This "spread" is going to make for a miserable start to 2022.
 
Don M. said:
It appears that the Moderna 2 shots, plus the booster, are currently the best protection against both Delta and Omicron. That's what we got, and so far we haven't had any issues...other than a slightly sore arm for a day or two.

There is NO doubt, in my mind, that we will be seeing another, and perhaps very large "spike" in cases, early in 2022. It seems that almost half the population isn't fully vaccinated, or masking up/avoiding crowds, etc.

The financial markets are already showing signs of economic downturn in anticipation of what is coming. And, the hospitals are unlikely to be able to handle a large increase in patients, above what they already have.

Initial data indicates that Omicron isn't as deadly as Delta...especially for the vaccinated....but, it seems to spread much easier. This "spread" is going to make for a miserable start to 2022.
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I got the Pfizer booster and didn't have a sore arm, but I had mild flu-like symptoms that evening, although that was probably from the flu shot, which I got at the same time. So really, there was nothing to complain about.

People who care about others and who care about our country are getting vaccinated. To me, it doesn't seem like that big of a sacrifice. The unvaccinated are far more likely to wind up with severe symptoms to the point they need to go to the hospital, which is costing our country (meaning taxpayers) a sh*tload of money. They're also far more likely to die from covid-19.

From September 4 through October 1, 2021:
  • Unvaccinated people were 13 times more likely to become infected with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people.
  • Unvaccinated people were 20 times more likely to experience COVID-19-associated death than fully vaccinated people.
https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/cases-and-deaths-by-vaccination-status-11082021.pdf
 
OUSTON — After warnings of an omicron surge over the holidays, Harris County has reported its first death caused by the omicron variant of COVID-19. It's also the first known omicron death reported nationwide.
County Judge Lina Hidalgo made the announcement during an afternoon news conference.
"My phone was ringing, I'm sure you guys noticed, and it was our public health director telling me we just had our first omicron-related death," she said.
(By the way, he never got the vaccine)
 
Pauline1954 said:
Fully vaccinated are also dying of covid. Fully vaccinated means nothing to me compared to the results we are seeing. Comorbidities are also a contributing factor. So anyone having Comorbidities are already at risk of dying of covid vaccinated or not. Nothing makes sense to me. And dont be too quick to jump on the bandwagon. When a salesman wants to sell you his products, he will use every trigger he can to induce you to buy.

Use reasonable thinking. Dont buy everything they are selling on tv. Eat healthy and balanced, exercise and get your rest. At our age we have to use a little bit more criticle thinking. We have headache medicines and a plethora of other otc drugs to help us stay and get better. So have some good supplements as well and take them as preventative. I try to be prepared and that can be a life saver.
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Publish the list of vaccinated deaths next to the list of unvaccinated deaths.
 
chic said:
When will they distinguish between "cases" and deaths or hospitalizations? :unsure:
And no, the vaccines don't work well. Operation warp speed indeed! What did you expect?
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Listening to doctors and nurses on the front lines battling to save lives and risking their own lives KNOW better, they KNOW there are more cases being reported because the omicron variant is more contagious than the others.... they repeatedly tell us to get vaccinated....they KNOW that even if the vaccinated get the virus their symptoms will not be as severe as the unvaccinated. They KNOW that the death count of the unvaccinated is far greater than the vaccinated, they KNOW that the unvaccinated is making their life and the life of others harder, they KNOW and are disgusted with the unvaccinated and their conspiracies....this is why they get on TV and beg people to get vaccinated because they live and see the enormous danger the unvaccinated are causing. Read the statistics and listen to those that are fighting the battle daily.
 
win231 said:
If you're "tired," it might be a side effect of the vaccine. So you SHOULDN'T have had it. 😂

Seriously, what's wrong with sharing information? It's true that some people will argue just to feel superior (as I've said before), but just because someone debates something, it doesn't mean they're always trying to change anyone's mind. They are usually responding to the put-down artists who ridicule anyone who doesn't do as they did.
I don't care who gets vaccinated & I don't care who doesn't.
I chose not to & I've driven elderly friends to get theirs because that's what they wanted. Intelligent people don't try to change others' minds about it.
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"Intelligent people don't try to change others' minds about it."

If that is truely the way you feel ? Then why is it that you try so hard to change others minds , about so many other topics ? And then when you cannot, you resort to ridicule and put-downs ?
 
I can only say that my Evangelical cousin and her mother (my aunt) are against vaccines. There are no health reasons. She just refuses to take them for political reasons. When we were visiting my ailing mother in assisted living and I asked her to put on a mask, she said she doesn't usually wear one because she has CS. Common Sense. 😞

We are actually very close, but we differ in our political views. Her mother is 90 years old, and she has just come down with Covid. I understand she is coughing a lot and is taking Ivermectin. I still don't understand the reluctance, but I just hope my aunt will be okay.
 
Pepper said:
Fully vaccinated is the needle in the unvaccinated haystack. You know it's true. Nurses and doctors are begging folks to get vaccinated. They see it, every hour of every day. I think they know what they are talking about.
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And fully vaccinated people who die of it almost always either have compromised immune systems, have co-morbidities, or are elderly.

Our hospitals and doctors here are also begging people to get vaccinated, if they are not already.
 
The virus isn't going anywhere because of mutations and inequity in vaccinations within the global community. So, Refusers/Deniers may find some solace in the following:

“Blanket booster programs are likely to prolong the pandemic, rather than ending it, by diverting supply to countries that already have high levels of vaccination coverage, giving the virus more opportunity to spread and mutate,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said during a news briefing.

"Currently, the vast majority of Covid hospitalizations and deaths are among unvaccinated people, not vaccinated people without booster shots, according to Tedros.

“No country can boost its way out of the pandemic,” he said.

Global health experts say the emergence of omicron is tied to vaccine inequality. Omicron is thought to have emerged from an HIV patient in South Africa where just 26% of the population is fully vaccinated, scientists have said. The virus mutates particularly well in people with compromised immune systems where it can live for a long time and figure out how to survive inside its human host.

The WHO estimates just half of its member states will have vaccinated at least 40% of their populations by the end of this year “because of distortions in global supply,” Tedros said.

Vaccine inequity is “the most horrific injustice of 2021,” Dr. Michael Ryan, executive director of the WHO’s health emergencies program, said at the briefing"


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/22/who-says-covid-vaccine-booster-programs-will-prolong-pandemic.html
 
I had to chuckle a bit when Trump announced that he has been vaccinated and boosted, at a recent rally....and was Booed by the audience. If these "booers" don't begin to wake up to reality, their "party" may not have enough voters left to make a difference in upcoming elections.
 

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