How many have to die before we finally do what needs to be done?

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We celebrated Christmas with our family today. With all the in-laws, we have to "rotate" our holidays....this was our "odd" year. Everyone, except for 2 of the youngest great grandkids, has been vaccinated. We had a wonderful time...no feeling we needed to wear masks, and could mingle close to each other...even some nice hugs.

On the flip side, one of the Son-in-laws brothers and family have all contracted the virus. None have been vaccinated, and 2 are in the hospital. Their Christmas is a Disaster.

That is proof enough for all of us that we made the right decision.
 

Don M. said:
On the flip side, one of the Son-in-laws brothers and family have all contracted the virus. None have been vaccinated, and 2 are in the hospital. Their Christmas is a Disaster.

That is proof enough for all of us that we made the right decision.
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So sad, wishing a recovery for them. We should all make the right decision and get vaccinated, it's free, easy and makes sense.
 
I think what we are seeing here is sheer stubbornness. People don't like to admit they are wrong, they were led down the path to disease and death by narcissists and opportunists who were using their mockery of the disease for their own political ends. And it is my understanding that many of the high-profile antivaxxers just quietly went and got the vaccine themselves.

You'd think people would be able to understand that they are being used. Which wouldn't be so bad if it only affected them, but obviously it is having dire effects on the whole world.

By now, any rational adult should be able to see what is happening all around them, and realism should make it clear that it's time to change their minds and become part of the solution, instead of part of the problem.

Hopefully, this new variant won't be as dangerous as the previous ones, and the majority of this country is vaccinated, which should help. But who knows what's down the road? Will every new development, and everything science discovers about this disease, be met with the same snickering and sneering, as if we are all adolescents? Bringing polio into the argument is a new low in desperate thinking. I can remember that epidemic. Americans were elated that we finally had something to fight that horrible disease with. I don't remember ever hearing of a smug group refusing the vaccine and denying the seriousness of the disease. Although I suppose there were a few "lunatic fringe" groups here and there who refused the vaccine. And some religions forbid any medical measures. But that was a tiny minority.
 

win231 said:
"There was never this much of a fit thrown over flu vaccines."
Your need for a scapegoat is interfering with your ability to think. Unlike Covid vaccines, no one ever tried to force flu vaccines on anyone. It was a personal choice - just as the Covid vaccine is a personal choice, despite your overpowering need to control & place blame.
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Control of a virus is far superior to "out of control" which is where we are now. I don't blame the individuals who have fallen for the conspiracies but I do blame those who knew all along how dangerous it was but chose to sit back and enjoy the chaos.
 
Alizerine said:
Control of a virus is far superior to "out of control" which is where we are now. I don't blame the individuals who have fallen for the conspiracies but I do blame those who knew all along how dangerous it was but chose to sit back and enjoy the chaos.
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The only ones "enjoying the chaos" are those uneffected by it and inflicting it on others.
 
Sunny said:
I think what we are seeing here is sheer stubbornness. People don't like to admit they are wrong, they were led down the path to disease and death by narcissists and opportunists who were using their mockery of the disease for their own political ends. And it is my understanding that many of the high-profile antivaxxers just quietly went and got the vaccine themselves.

You'd think people would be able to understand that they are being used. Which wouldn't be so bad if it only affected them, but obviously it is having dire effects on the whole world.

By now, any rational adult should be able to see what is happening all around them, and realism should make it clear that it's time to change their minds and become part of the solution, instead of part of the problem.

Hopefully, this new variant won't be as dangerous as the previous ones, and the majority of this country is vaccinated, which should help. But who knows what's down the road? Will every new development, and everything science discovers about this disease, be met with the same snickering and sneering, as if we are all adolescents? Bringing polio into the argument is a new low in desperate thinking. I can remember that epidemic. Americans were elated that we finally had something to fight that horrible disease with. I don't remember ever hearing of a smug group refusing the vaccine and denying the seriousness of the disease. Although I suppose there were a few "lunatic fringe" groups here and there who refused the vaccine. And some religions forbid any medical measures. But that was a tiny minority.
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Well said Sunny, makes perfect sense!
 
As I read this thread, all I could think about is my son Joey. And the meeting this last week when the heart surgeon told me that even if he needed immediate heart surgery for the tangerine sized cyst pressing on his heart and lung, he couldn’t have it.

Covid lungs.

Nearly destroyed lungs. Luckily he had that CT, the surgeon says. Now we know how bad his lungs are. Yup, lucky. Two vaccinations, breakthrough Covid in October, still on oxygen in December: and maybe on oxygen for the rest of his life. A life which might not be long-a simple cold could kill him. Yup, lucky.

Without the vaccinations, he would have died. With the vaccinations, he lived. He lives still. I would give every thing I have for him to just have one more minute of time. Everything. I would trade my long lived life for his in a second-less than a second, for him to live another day, another year.

The reality is-children are dying. The reality is-more children will die. Whether that child is five seconds old or 50 years old, matters not to the person that loves them. The pain is just as great, the heartbreak just as overwhelming. The sadness, oh the sadness, that sucks the joy out of everything in life as you try to give your child just one more happy day.

So. I hate the conversation. I am out of patience. I am so very angry. Maybe, as the non-vaccinated, but could be vaccinated, watch their children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren die they will finally “get it”. But I doubt it. After all their life seems the only important thing to them.

Vaccines for Covid are free.

Hospitalizations for covid cost a fortune and cause the deaths of others as there is “no room at the Inn.”

Death, death is forever.
 
MarciKS said:
that's right i'm asking and i don't care who i upset. how much more pressure do we think can be placed on the medical system as a whole before things break completely down? how many more people have to die before people suck it up and stop whining and go get their shots and wear their masks and stop running all over the country spreading this crap? how long before people grow up and do the responsible thing? this video is what is happening in kansas right now and i'm sure it's worse in other places. stop and think about what will happen if you need to get emergency care and can't because the hospital has no room? guess what? you die. why? why do people not understand this? why do people fight this? there was never this much of a fit thrown over flu vaccines. step up and do your part to stop this spread if you're able to take the vaccine. there's no excuse not to otherwise.

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Marci, you rock!
 
Aneeda72 said:
As I read this thread, all I could think about is my son Joey. And the meeting this last week when the heart surgeon told me that even if he needed immediate heart surgery for the tangerine sized cyst pressing on his heart and lung, he couldn’t have it.

Covid lungs.

Nearly destroyed lungs. Luckily he had that CT, the surgeon says. Now we know how bad his lungs are. Yup, lucky. Two vaccinations, breakthrough Covid in October, still on oxygen in December: and maybe on oxygen for the rest of his life. A life which might not be long-a simple cold could kill him. Yup, lucky.

Without the vaccinations, he would have died. With the vaccinations, he lived. He lives still. I would give every thing I have for him to just have one more minute of time. Everything. I would trade my long lived life for his in a second-less than a second, for him to live another day, another year.

The reality is-children are dying. The reality is-more children will die. Whether that child is five seconds old or 50 years old, matters not to the person that loves them. The pain is just as great, the heartbreak just as overwhelming. The sadness, oh the sadness, that sucks the joy out of everything in life as you try to give your child just one more happy day.

So. I hate the conversation. I am out of patience. I am so very angry. Maybe, as the non-vaccinated, but could be vaccinated, watch their children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren die they will finally “get it”. But I doubt it. After all their life seems the only important thing to them.

Vaccines for Covid are free.

Hospitalizations for covid cost a fortune and cause the deaths of others as there is “no room at the Inn.”

Death, death is forever.
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Aneeda, thank you for your post. So pertinent and it really brings the point home. I am personally heartbroken for everything you have been going through and continue to keep Joey in my thoughts.
 
JaniceM said:
I'd been wondering: I'm not sure how many, but there are Seniors here who are much older and were around during the polio epidemic- were people then going around going "Nobody can tell ME what to do! I'm asserting my RIGHTS! Gotta QUESTION AUTHORITY!"?
Welllll, this wasn't called "the Me Generation" for nothing!!! View attachment 199577
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I do remember polio and when the polio vaccine came out. My sis and I got the original Salk shots and then the Sabin sugar cube thing when that came out.

People were overjoyed when the vaccine came out. We stood in a long line to get the shots, and we didn't even fuss. One of our friends had contracted polio and we were scared we'd get it. too. Our friend got over the worst of it, but she was crippled for life as a result.
 
MarciKS said:
that's right i'm asking and i don't care who i upset. how much more pressure do we think can be placed on the medical system as a whole before things break completely down? how many more people have to die before people suck it up and stop whining and go get their shots and wear their masks and stop running all over the country spreading this crap? how long before people grow up and do the responsible thing? this video is what is happening in kansas right now and i'm sure it's worse in other places. stop and think about what will happen if you need to get emergency care and can't because the hospital has no room? guess what? you die. why? why do people not understand this? why do people fight this? there was never this much of a fit thrown over flu vaccines. step up and do your part to stop this spread if you're able to take the vaccine. there's no excuse not to otherwise.

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To use an antiquated phrase, "Right on, Sister!"
 
Becky1951 said:
It took years to develop the polio vaccine. It took months to develop the Covid vaccine.


https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/polio
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So? Lotsa things took longer in the 40s and 50s. Besides which, as I understand it, much of the basic research re covid type viruses had already been done and much ground work had been laid. It wasn't like they were starting completely from scratch.
 
Butterfly said:
I do remember polio and when the polio vaccine came out. My sis and I got the original Salk shots and then the Sabin sugar cube thing when that came out.

People were overjoyed when the vaccine came out. We stood in a long line to get the shots, and we didn't even fuss. One of our friends had contracted polio and we were scared we'd get it. too. Our friend got over the worst of it, but she was crippled for life as a result.
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I remember as well. We were called into the house every time it rained, not allowed to play in the water as before. We lined up at the local mall, with hundreds of other people, waited for hours to get that vaccine. The prospect of living in an iron lung was terrifying for us all.
 
MarciKS said:
that's right i'm asking and i don't care who i upset. how much more pressure do we think can be placed on the medical system as a whole before things break completely down? how many more people have to die before people suck it up and stop whining and go get their shots and wear their masks and stop running all over the country spreading this crap? how long before people grow up and do the responsible thing? this video is what is happening in kansas right now and i'm sure it's worse in other places. stop and think about what will happen if you need to get emergency care and can't because the hospital has no room? guess what? you die. why? why do people not understand this? why do people fight this? there was never this much of a fit thrown over flu vaccines. step up and do your part to stop this spread if you're able to take the vaccine. there's no excuse not to otherwise.

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That's right I'm saying and i don't care who I upset ......... My body , my choice.
 
MarciKS said:
that's right i'm asking and i don't care who i upset. how much more pressure do we think can be placed on the medical system as a whole before things break completely down? how many more people have to die before people suck it up and stop whining and go get their shots and wear their masks and stop running all over the country spreading this crap? how long before people grow up and do the responsible thing? this video is what is happening in kansas right now and i'm sure it's worse in other places. stop and think about what will happen if you need to get emergency care and can't because the hospital has no room? guess what? you die. why? why do people not understand this? why do people fight this? there was never this much of a fit thrown over flu vaccines. step up and do your part to stop this spread if you're able to take the vaccine. there's no excuse not to otherwise.

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In my state the infections are overwhelming the hospitals. Not as many are dying though according to reports.

I don't know what the answers are. Our Governor keeps trying.

I believe the vaccination rate in Ohio is about 54 percent.
 
Butterfly said:
So? Lotsa things took longer in the 40s and 50s. Besides which, as I understand it, much of the basic research re covid type viruses had already been done and much ground work had been laid. It wasn't like they were starting completely from scratch.
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True. Most of us know that already, some keep deaf ears and blind eyes, they are allergic to truth and facts. They have been brainwashed by conspiracy.
 
Of the 5 people who left my workplace when the vaccine mandate for my line of work went into effect, one got vaccinated and has returned. I was glad to see her. Another was supposedly going to get vaccinated and come back but there has been no sighting of her.

If you listen to a certain side of the media, radio and TV, the antivax is strong still.
 
we are a year out from the a emergency approval of vaccines from all that took them gleefully the death rate should have gone down ....... they literally went up regardless of status.


IF the vaccine worked as promised maybe some hesitant may have changed their minds but the reality is as noted by lets pay million more for booster after booster shows it is NOT working as promised.. COULD or MIGHT be mild is NOT a strong selling point.

part of the surges are caused by people who refuse to see that vaccinated can get and spread and even die.
Division and HATE campaigns ripping family and friends apart ..............FOR WHAT........ NO ONE wins.
There are many items that people get on one side or another and then decide no matter what they are right ....ANYONE so ingrained and so UPSET about everyone else position should seek some help.
 
Shero said:
I do not have smpathy for people who refuse to believe the science, people who have no regard that the human race is suffering a global pandemic and still they are determined to stick to their conspiracy theories. Makes me sick!
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I completely agree!
Except what you're doing makes you sick, and what I'm doing keeps me healthy.

@Sunny, I'm healthy because I don't put the poisons in my body, the poisons that make you get sick.
That's also why I'm still able to think clearly, don't get confused, and don't get things bass-ackwards from reality. :)
 

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