How many have to die before we finally do what needs to be done?
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No posts make sense to someone who has no sense.
Coming from you, means absolutely nothing.
Knight
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Not talked about is the fact that in Afghanistan & Pakistan polio still exists. Unvaccinated.
What some might have missed in the ops post was [If you are able to take the vaccine] Able falls into different categories. Even rejecting it based on an individual choice.
Is the vaccine a sure cure No but it can be a deterrent. Opting to deter makes sense to me, so getting vaccinated and a booster shot was our choice. Taking a chance that you will never need hospitalization due to c-19 or the variants is still a choice
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I remember getting my first polio vaccine (Salk). It was by injection. Later a second vaccine was developed (Sabin) that could be taken as a syrup. Both were effective in beating back polio in children and young adults.
Back in the days of Jonas SalK technology was not as advanced as it is today. It was well before the lunar landings and computers were so big that they filled whole rooms but were feeble processors compared to today's equipment. The morphology of bacteria was well known and finding vaccines for bacterial infections and antibiotics to cure them was well developed science. However, viruses were another kettle of fish.
Today research laboratories are equipped with the very latest computerised equipment and from the time when SARS first appeared, the corona viruses have been studied extensively. Covid is a corona virus and its proper name is SARS‑CoV‑2. It is not an astonishing fact that the time needed to develop not one, but several effective vaccines for SARS-CoV-2, has been relatively short. It is the testing process that takes the most time. A few of the new vaccines were rejected for unwanted side effects. Those that made it through to mass production are probably as good as it gets and a lot better than no vaccine at all.
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Pretty much what I have said in my own words. Thanks for corroboration.
Vaccines for Covid have been developed quickly but not recklessly so.
As usual Warri, thanks for your informative posts...much appreciated.
So......if the vaccines work so well, why are they reporting several thousand new cases of Covid each day, (3,200 new cases yesterday), hospitals overrun & Fauci saying "Soon, hospitals won't be able to treat any more patients?
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Did I say they were 100% effective in the vaccinated? I did not.
What I can say is that they are zero% effective in the unvaccinated.
What I can say is that they are zero% effective in the unvaccinated.
If we believe the numbers, the vaccine is 0% effective in both.
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There's also the data in VAERS — the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System — which shows reported (reported, not all) vaccine adverse events (vaccine injuries):
https://openvaers.com/index.php
People who insist everyone get vaccinated may not be taking that into account (or be aware of it at all).
https://openvaers.com/index.php
People who insist everyone get vaccinated may not be taking that into account (or be aware of it at all).
Aneeda72
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The vaccines were meant for the original COVID-19
They aren't specifying which vaccines or which mutation.
And they continue to say, "The best protection is to get vaccinated."
Does that make sense to you?
They're hoping most people are wired & programmed to see every vaccine & drug as a beneficial cure-all.
And they know fear sells by interfering with logic (for most).
because they give NO context they want people to assume it is ONLY those without shots.... IF that was true and it is NOT we would have run out of those without shots.... NO boosters would have EVER been needed etc
There are MANY unvaccinated who either....................... did not get it or had zero problems .....
go back in the time machine remember asymptomatic people..
Think of the work places who did and many who STILL use kiosks to take employees temps...... They were/ are looking for ASYMPTOMATIC people by looking for a symptom
. Talk about not thinking something through.So a close friend went in yesterday had a test this person has not left her home in 3 weeks her spouse has zero symptoms even without a shot. her test said positive although the provider could not explain how since she had ZERO contact with others.
They said go home if you get worse go to hospital .............. that is IT ???
no try this medication or that one for cold like symptoms / drink fluids stay hydrated nope just by their calculations it should almost have ran its course but if she has trouble breathing head to a hospital .......
I saw the papers ZERO medical help or real advice
no test again in x amount of days .... no treatments recommended and guess what NO ONE ASKED HER SHOT STATUS
I would have expected a lecture from medical professionals and since most her communication was by phone as she sat in a parking lot I HEARD it NO pushing as hard as MEDIA AND politicians
QUIT fighting about a shot whose tagline seems to be "better then nothin"
Imagine how many other products would you BUY with that A-PLUS advertising .... car or health insurance... hit and miss works but "better then nothing" perhaps birth control, locks or security systems or just any medical care.
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Aneeda72
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It still protects from the original Covid-19 so yes. It’s a crap shoot with Delta, and for sure with the new mutation that is so contagious. It’s all we have @win231. It’s better than nothing, in my opinion. I have only one child, now, that has not had Covid.
I am sick with worry about my youngest son, Joey. He can not get the booster shot till January 19, 2022. I doubt he will ever come off oxygen.
. People compare Covid to the flu. Millions have died from the flu. Millions have died from Covid-19. It’s all just too painful.Yes, it's terrible when Covid makes someone sick; just as it's terrible when any illness makes someone sick.It still protects from the original Covid-19 so yes. It’s a crap shoot with Delta, and for sure with the new mutation that is so contagious. It’s all we have @win231. It’s better than nothing, in my opinion. I have only one child, now, that has not had Covid.
I am sick with worry about my youngest son, Joey. He can not get the booster shot till January 19, 2022. I doubt he will ever come off oxygen.
But that doesn't mean the vaccine is effective. Obviously it isn't effective for everyone.
And that doesn't mean it's anyone's fault that someone (vaccinated or unvaccinated) gets sick from it.
Aneeda72
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Some people without Covid test positive, some people with Covid test negative. We have known this from the beginning. Covid is different in every person. What advice do you think she should have gotten?because they give NO context they want people to assume it is ONLY those without shots.... IF that was true and it is NOT we would have run out of those without shots.... NO boosters would have EVER been needed etc
There are MANY unvaccinated who either....................... did not get it or had zero problems .....
go back in the time machine remember asymptomatic people..
Think of the work places who did and many who STILL use kiosks to take employees temps...... They were/ are looking for ASYMPTOMATIC people by looking for a symptom
So a close friend went in yesterday had a test this person has not left her home in 3 weeks her spouse has zero symptoms even without a shot. her test said positive although the provider could not explain how since she had ZERO contact with others.
They said go home if you get worse go to hospital .............. that is IT ???
no try this medication or that one for cold like symptoms / drink fluids stay hydrated nope just by their calculations it should almost have ran its course but if she has trouble breathing head to a hospital .......
I saw the papers ZERO medical help or real advice
no test again in x amount of days .... no treatments recommended and guess what NO ONE ASKED HER SHOT STATUS
I would have expected a lecture from medical professionals and since most her communication was by phone as she sat in a parking lot I HEARD it NO pushing as hard as MEDIA AND politicians
Drink, eat, rest, come back if you can’t breathe. By now the whole world knows this routine. What did you expect? The medical profession is worn out. They expect people to use their brains.
that was the whole point if you read it ...... NO advice other then go to hospital if worse
the common sense BASICS i spoke of not even mentioned for those so concerned perhaps we should be demanding TREATMENTS ..
In fact some are being held UP because they think some wont GET their magic vaccine if REAL treatments are available
There have been those who did better from the beginning perhaps studying that could have us in a much better place
Aneeda72
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I, however, visited my son on the Covid ward for four days and sat with him for a time in the ER. I visited him at his house, every day as well, while he had active Covid and was contagious. Then I waited the required 7 days and didn’t see him, got tested, tested negative.
I think the vaccinations help, but I think you get it or you don’t. He got it. I did not. I wish I had gotten it instead of him. Wish I could trade places with him. But wishes are useless, and I am helpless in this situation.
. And that is the hardest thing of all, the inability to help your loved one.
The total absolute uselessness of those of us who do not have Covid.
I agree. I know exactly who he got Covid from. A young lady with DS who he had been friends with for ages, and she attended his same workplace. She did not need hospitalization. She was vaccinated as well. Both her parents got Covid. It was not her fault. I don’t blame her.
I, however, visited my son on the Covid ward for four days and sat with him for a time in the ER. I visited him at his house, every day as well, while he had active Covid and was contagious. Then I waited the required 7 days and didn’t see him, got tested, tested negative.
I think the vaccinations help, but I think you get it or you don’t. He got it. I did not. I wish I had gotten it instead of him. Wish I could trade places with him. But wishes are useless, and I am helpless in this situation.
. And that is the hardest thing of all, the inability to help your loved one.The total absolute uselessness of those of us who do not have Covid.
Aneeda72
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Yes, I know how to read.
Go ahead-demand treatment. Your demand will get you NOTHING. Treatment and medication are reserved for the people who NEED it.
And your point is....?
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Flaneuse, I see you are new member. Welcome!
I am a recent member, and my advice is not to get too passionate or accusatory about this topic because it will get you nowhere. I responded in a similar manner when I first joined. I've seen no one on this forum "switch sides" in their viewpoints on Covid and the vaccines due to anyone else's response.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with your viewpoint and you are free to share it, but not in the way you have presented it. Just be careful that you don't call people names like "stupid". That could get you banned from the forum, and we want you here.
You may also find that there are some topics that you agree upon with members in the other forums that you may not agree upon in the Covid forums. I may not agree with Becky in this thread, but I may agree with her in other threads. We can all find common ground.
I am a recent member, and my advice is not to get too passionate or accusatory about this topic because it will get you nowhere. I responded in a similar manner when I first joined. I've seen no one on this forum "switch sides" in their viewpoints on Covid and the vaccines due to anyone else's response.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with your viewpoint and you are free to share it, but not in the way you have presented it. Just be careful that you don't call people names like "stupid". That could get you banned from the forum, and we want you here.
You may also find that there are some topics that you agree upon with members in the other forums that you may not agree upon in the Covid forums. I may not agree with Becky in this thread, but I may agree with her in other threads. We can all find common ground.
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Devi
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Plus there are the Report button, and the Ignore button.
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