Chauvin pleads guilty to federal Civil rights charges

ElCastor said:
Oh, really? This thing gets plastered all over the newspapers and TV for 18 months and Floyd has a 700 pound statue erected in his honor a thousand miles away in New York -- all because a police officer violated an oath? Hmmm, I think there is a bit more to this story than that.
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Yeah , building monuments to ex-con felons ....... welcome to the new world order America.
 

I regardless of how many years Chauvin winds up getting, his days are probably numbered. Unless he is held in solitary confinement, or has a guard 24/7, he will most likely have an "accident" while in prison.
 
Don M. said:
I regardless of how many years Chauvin winds up getting, his days are probably numbered. Unless he is held in solitary confinement, or has a guard 24/7, he will most likely have an "accident" while in prison.
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If that was true it wouldn't be much of a loss. But it is not likely so as "corrections officers" are also cops and they have a tendency to defend each other, despite their crimes.
 

Aunt Bea said:
I was wondering if he plead guilty in an effort to get transferred to a federal prison which might be safer and softer than a state prison.
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The Federal system(BOP) has minimum, medium and maximum security facilities just like states do. In the Federal system an inmate serves the entire sentence the judge hands down, whereas many/most/all(?) states will allow an inmate work off a certain amount of their time, provided they have behaved themselves also.
 
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rgp said:
And that warrants building a monument to a drug addled ex-con felon ?
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As you say George Floyd was an "ex-con" with emphasis on ex. Derek Chauvin should have been convicted for his crimes in 2017 but got off scot free because he was a cop. As far as I'm concerned, he remained a con. Nothing "ex" about him. He should be thankful that he got off so easy both times when he actually deserved the hangman's noose for his crimes.
 
ElCastor said:
I'll leave his guilt and punishment up to the court, but it is curious that dozens of police officers die at the hands of criminals every year, and yet their deaths don't receive so much as one tenth of 1% of the attention of Floyd's demise. Why is that?
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oldiebutgoody said:
Like everywhere else, we've had cops killed in the line of duty here in Minnesota. These have gotten considerable public attention. In fact, the funerals were shown LIVE on tv, newspapers presented many photos of these cops, people who grew up with them all say what a great guy he was, etc. Statues have been created to honor these cops. In fact, a statue was created to honor a police dog killed in the line of duty:

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Other municipalities have done the same.
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Ditto here in Texas.
 
rgp said:
Yeah , building monuments to ex-con felons ....... welcome to the new world order America.
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I guess very much like the old world order where we built monuments to men who committed atrocities like owning slaves and murdering indigenous people. Oh yes, Robert E. Lee and Christopher Columbus. Their crimes were much more severe than any of those committed by George Floyd. Two rights don't make a wrong, but neither of them had someone kneel on their necks for 9 minutes and and squeeze the life out of them.;)
 
dseag2 said:
I guess very much like the old world order where we built monuments to men who committed atrocities like owning slaves and murdering indigenous people. Oh yes, Robert E. Lee and Christopher Columbus. Their crimes were much more severe than any of those committed by George Floyd. Two rights don't make a wrong, but neither of them had someone kneel on their necks for 9 minutes and and squeeze the life out of them.;)
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In a land like ours that proclaims itself ever so Christian, we can all think back on the story of Saul of Tarsus. He called himself the most evil man who ever lived and persecuted thousands (perhaps tens of thousands and likely killed most of them but we will never know). Unlike Chauvin or Mark Furhman, he changed his mind about things and spent the rest of his life doing his best to undo the evils he committed. Today he is called St. Paul. The city I live in was named for him. Criminals like Chauvin, Furhman, and the cops in Ruderman's book Busted and in Maas's book Serpico need to learn a lesson or two from his example.
 
dseag2 said:
I guess very much like the old world order where we built monuments to men who committed atrocities like owning slaves and murdering indigenous people. Oh yes, Robert E. Lee and Christopher Columbus. Their crimes were much more severe than any of those committed by George Floyd. Two rights don't make a wrong, but neither of them had someone kneel on their necks for 9 minutes and and squeeze the life out of them.;)
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Well ....... All things taken in context, the folks you mention owned slaves in a time when it was considered acceptable to do so. There for they were not criminals, because they were commiting no crime. There has never been a time when being a drug addled street thug was acceptable or legal.
As such your argument ia purely apples & oranges.

As for "murdering" indigenous people ..... it was considered part of conquering & establishing a new country. If this bothers you so much ? perhaps you might consider moving to another land ?

80 years ago .... the allies killed many a indigenous people in Germany & Japan .........
 
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rgp said:
Well ....... All things taken in context, the folks you mention owned slaves in a time when it was considered acceptable to do so. There for they were not criminals, because they were commiting no crime. There has never been a time when being a drug addled street thug was acceptable or legal.
As such you argument ia purely apples & oranges.

As for "murdering" indigenous people ..... it was considered part of conquering & establishing a new country. If this bothers you so much ? perhaps you might consider moving to another land ?

80 years ago .... the allies killed many a indigenous people in Germany & Japan .........
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- acceptable -

Not to the victims. The perps claimed to having been Christians - had they read their Bible they would have known that kidnapping people for slavery (called manstealing in that book) was punishable by death.


- the allies killed many a indigenous people in Germany & Japan -

Germany & Japan started the war.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
- acceptable -

Not to the victims. The perps claimed to having been Christians - had they read their Bible they would have known that kidnapping people for slavery (called manstealing in that book) was punishable by death.


- the allies killed many a indigenous people in Germany & Japan -

Germany & Japan started the war.
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It was acceptable to the laws of the land

And G Floyd started down the path of a criminal life.......which led to his death.
 
rgp said:
It was acceptable to the laws of the land

And G Floyd started down the path of a criminal life.......which led to his death.
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It was illegal to kidnap people for slavery and to import them under Federal law of 1807 and under international law as shown in the famous Amistad case of 1841. Yet, slavers were still importing kidnapped people from Africa in violation of that law and of the Bible's teachings.

Floyd served his time for his past. Chauvin did not. Thankfully he will now.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
It was illegal to kidnap people for slavery and to import them under Federal law of 1807 and under international law as shown in the famous Amistad case of 1841. Yet, slavers were still importing kidnapped people from Africa in violation of that law and of the Bible's teachings.

Floyd served his time for his past. Chauvin did not. Thankfully he will now.
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But the folks you noted didn't import the slaves ..... they bought them once here. As such they were not criminals , and owning slaves was accepted.

Don't get me wrong, I do not now, nor never would support slavery but ...... in the era being discussed owning them was accepted by many . I took a war & a proclaimation by a sitting president to change things .

Again, being a drug addled street thug performing armed robbery was never an accepted practice .

Chauvin didn't kill Floyd ..... Floyd's lifestyle killed Floyd.
 
rgp said:
But the folks you noted didn't import the slaves ..... they bought them once here. As such they were not criminals , and owning slaves was accepted.

Don't get me wrong, I do not now, nor never would support slavery but ...... in the era being discussed owning them was accepted by many . I took a war & a proclaimation by a sitting president to change things .

Again, being a drug addled street thug performing armed robbery was never an accepted practice .

Chauvin didn't kill Floyd ..... Floyd's lifestyle killed Floyd.
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Not only did the Bible forbid kidnapping for slavery (in fact, it imposes the death penalty for anyone who does so), it teaches that when a slave escapes bondage he must NOT be returned to the "owner" ~ Deuteronomy 23:15. Thousands of slaves were forcibly returned in violation of the law. Had Deut 23:15 been observed, tens of thousands (if not millions) would have gone free.

Drug addiction is an illness. Floyd repented of his past which is why he was allowed to move from Texas to Minnesota.

Chauvin did kill Floyd. His supervisor, the police chief, and the mayor all called him a murderer. So did a jury. In fact he admitted in court to violating a man's civil rights by pleading guilty.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Not only did the Bible forbid kidnapping for slavery (in fact, it imposes the death penalty for anyone who does so), it teaches that when a slave escapes bondage he must NOT be returned to the "owner" ~ Deuteronomy 23:15. Thousands of slaves were forcibly returned in violation of the law. Had Deut 23:15 been observed, tens of thousands (if not millions) would have gone free.

Drug addiction is an illness. Floyd repented of his past which is why he was allowed to move from Texas to Minnesota.

Chauvin did kill Floyd. His supervisor, the police chief, and the mayor all called him a murderer. So did a jury. In fact he admitted in court to violating a man's civil rights by pleading guilty.
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I do not observe or live by biblical law ........ and do not believe in it.

Yeah ... right .... repented, and yet he was still strung out on dope .

And i do not care what others may say .......... his lifestyle killed him.
 
rgp said:
I do not observe or live by biblical law ........ and do not believe in it.

Yeah ... right .... repented, and yet he was still strung out on dope .

And i do not care what others may say .......... his lifestyle killed him.
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Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But as for those who claim to live by the Bible, as they know, they will answer on the Judgment Day for their misdeeds.

Like I said previously, addiction is an illness, not a crime.

Chauvin killed him and that's why he is in jail and will spend the rest of his life in jail.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But as for those who claim to live by the Bible, as they know, they will answer on the Judgment Day for their misdeeds.

Like I said previously, addiction is an illness, not a crime.

Chauvin killed him and that's why he is in jail and will spend the rest of his life in jail.
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The first time one takes the illegal drug .... it is a crime .... I don't care about after that.

What day is judgement day ? Is that after Thursday / Friday ?
 
rgp said:
The first time one takes the illegal drug .... it is a crime .... I don't care about after that.

What day is judgement day ? Is that after Thursday / Friday ?
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The majority of drug addicts in the USA are white. Should all of them be arrested?

It's Judgment Day, not Judgement Day. Google for more data.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
The majority of drug addicts in the USA are white. Should all of them be arrested?

It's Judgment Day, not Judgement Day. Google for more data.
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Yes, if it is due to illegal drugs ...... anyone that commits a crime should be arrested ..........

WoW ! ...... a type-o .......... I'm horrible
 

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