Utah kidnap victim found

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Utah kidnap victim Madelyn Allen has been found. She was abducted by Brent Brown who she met on the chatting app “Kik” and was found in an underground coal bunker, covered in coal dust and tied to a chair.

The 19 year old is an undergrad student at Snow College in Ephraim.

After meeting Brown on Kik, they set a plan to meet on the evening of December 13 (Monday). When she failed to return to her dorm that night, her roommates reported her missing the following day.

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OneEyedDiva said:
When are women going to learn never to do this?!! Seeing this guy makes me wonder...did he post someone else's picture because he's not appealing at all. Good Lord!! I'm glad she was found relatively unharmed. I'm always relieved when an abduction ends this way.
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I think more people need to realize on an app or internet people are NOT who they say MOST all of the time.

People must be lonely and it is not hard to find someone hoping to find friend or something online.
This is my first time seeing his photo and perhaps there are more in his history he gives off a danger vibe to me.
Very lucky someone traced phone ASAP if it took longer she may have never been found.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
When are women going to learn never to do this?!!
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Well let's not blame the victim, there are lots of grungy people who are really sweet and good, and there are clean-cut perfect looking people who turn out to be absolutely evil. It would be nice if kids learned to take friends along when they meet strangers, but even that can backfire, I remember there was a girl who had a stalker and so two of her friends accompanied her places, and then all three girls were found murdered.
 
I do not understand how young females can be lured into these situations.
These events occur again and again...

I do not understand these guys involved in these kidnappings-why?
Do they feel if they can get the young ladies isolated they can make her love them?
Are they seeking emotive needs, carnal needs: What?
 
HoneyNut said:
Well let's not blame the victim, there are lots of grungy people who are really sweet and good, and there are clean-cut perfect looking people who turn out to be absolutely evil. It would be nice if kids learned to take friends along when they meet strangers, but even that can backfire, I remember there was a girl who had a stalker and so two of her friends accompanied her places, and then all three girls were found murdered.
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Stating that women should be very careful in these types of circumstances is not blaming the victim! but she put herself in harms way by meeting up with someone she did not know. Under no circumstances should women do that with someone they met on an app. Have a way to get there and leave on your own. Meet in a very public place and never let the person know where you live, although these days if they know your first and last name, it's easy enough to find out. Being young and naive, she probably thought nothing of meeting this guy, who may have been charming. I hope other young ladies take note of her case and learn not to do this.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Stating that women should be very careful in these types of circumstances is not blaming the victim! but she put herself in harms way by meeting up with someone she did not know. Under no circumstances should women do that with someone they met on an app. Have a way to get there and leave on your own. Meet in a very public place and never let the person know where you live, although these days if they know your first and last name, it's easy enough to find out. Being young and naive, she probably thought nothing of meeting this guy, who may have been charming. I hope other young ladies take note of her case and learn not to do this.
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Unfortunately, many young people believe that bad things only happen to others. One of the things I learned very early on in the kind of work I did was that horrifically bad and often fatal things can and do happen to just ordinary people going on about their everyday lives.

A police officer once told me that he wished young (or any age) women would grasp is that getting into a motor vehicle with someone you do not know and trust is one of the most dangerous things you can do because you are immediately in the control of that other person, especially since door and window locks are usually controlled from the driver's seat. So you are going where he is going, like it or not. And when you get where he is going, you probably stand zero chance against him based on difference in body weight and size and strength.
 
HoneyNut said:
Well let's not blame the victim, there are lots of grungy people who are really sweet and good, and there are clean-cut perfect looking people who turn out to be absolutely evil. It would be nice if kids learned to take friends along when they meet strangers, but even that can backfire, I remember there was a girl who had a stalker and so two of her friends accompanied her places, and then all three girls were found murdered.
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"and there are clean-cut perfect looking people who turn out to be absolutely evil."

Ted Bundy comes to mind.
 
jerry old said:
I do not understand how young females can be lured into these situations.
These events occur again and again...

I do not understand these guys involved in these kidnappings-why?
Do they feel if they can get the young ladies isolated they can make her love them?
Are they seeking emotive needs, carnal needs: What?
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"I do not understand how young females can be lured into these situations.
These events occur again and again."

Too many think/feel ........... Oh that only happens to other people ........ nothing like that will happen too me.
 
Did anyone else hear this ?

As per the news yesterday ....... when the police got the tip, they went to the address ...... and could see her through a window in the coal bin. Trying to be low key ?? they knocked, asked the owner some questions, he stated that he was alone ........ Then they needed to aquire a search warrant !! to enter forcefully ????

I'm going to look around the net & see if there is much / anything about this.
 
rgp said:
Did anyone else hear this ?

As per the news yesterday ....... when the police got the tip, they went to the address ...... and could see her through a window in the coal bin. Trying to be low key ?? they knocked, asked the owner some questions, he stated that he was alone ........ Then they needed to aquire a search warrant !! to enter forcefully ????

I'm going to look around the net & see if there is much / anything about this.
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I am having 2 different competing thoughts
#1 i do NOT need to know the details I am sure this girl has been through enough......... MAYBE i hope the 24 hour news people have backed off

#2 something fishy happened cause most of these stay in headlines a bit longer and all sorts of what if... or guesses abound. ...

It does not seem that too many people take the proper precautions if they think it will never happen to them so perhaps details are not important cause no one is REALLY paying attention anyway.
 
Jeni said:
i do NOT need to know the details I am sure this girl has been through enough......... MAYBE i hope the 24 hour news people have backed off
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Agreed. I saw more details than I needed.

Meeting your SO online is the norm nowadays. What ifs or guesses are blaming the victim.
 
Jules said:
Agreed. I saw more details than I needed.

Meeting your SO online is the norm nowadays. What ifs or guesses are blaming the victim.
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I think part of the overdoing it desensitized people.
I think any issues this girl has she needs to work out on her own maybe with a professional but i would not go as far as buying the victim card.
Maybe her support system did not see the pitfalls as well.

People put themselves in spots all the time .... maybe it is disbelief something could happen to them.
Or just failure to ask themselves the questions and take precautions.
Most of those i knew who met a SO like this is Did NOT work ...................but they stuck to it or took extra chances to try to prove to someone else that they knew what they were doing.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Stating that women should be very careful in these types of circumstances is not blaming the victim! but she put herself in harms way by meeting up with someone she did not know. Under no circumstances should women do that with someone they met on an app. Have a way to get there and leave on your own. Meet in a very public place and never let the person know where you live, although these days if they know your first and last name, it's easy enough to find out. Being young and naive, she probably thought nothing of meeting this guy, who may have been charming. I hope other young ladies take note of her case and learn not to do this.
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You are right Diva, this is a cautionary tale. Women should use caution and maybe check crimesearch.com or other search of the person.
Maybe red flags can be seen by doing this. Chances are that this guy has a substantial record. By checking this person's record, criminal background can be checked, marital status, and if the name is true. I am happy she is o.k. but probably in need of counseling for such a terrifying event.
 
IFortuna said:
You are right Diva, this is a cautionary tale. Women should use caution and maybe check crimesearch.com or other search of the person.
Maybe red flags can be seen by doing this. Chances are that this guy has a substantial record. By checking this person's record, criminal background can be checked, marital status, and if the name is true. I am happy she is o.k. but probably in need of counseling for such a terrifying event.
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You're absolutely right, as well. Good tips IFortuna! Only thing with this online stuff is....do people give their real names. I'm sure they don't always do it. And of course...with catfishing, as it's called, may not even use their real photo.
 
rgp said:
Did anyone else hear this ?

As per the news yesterday ....... when the police got the tip, they went to the address ...... and could see her through a window in the coal bin. Trying to be low key ?? they knocked, asked the owner some questions, he stated that he was alone ........ Then they needed to aquire a search warrant !! to enter forcefully ????
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My bold of your quote. A search warrant may not have been necessary, depending on the facts of course.
 
Remember back to when we were teenagers? We all felt like we were invincible and immortal. If we had a decent upbringing, we felt like everyone around us had the best of intentions. I think this is what happened to this poor girl. The internet is just another vehicle to take advantage of this. Very glad to see she is okay.
 
dseag2 said:
Remember back to when we were teenagers? We all felt like we were invincible and immortal. If we had a decent upbringing, we felt like everyone around us had the best of intentions. I think this is what happened to this poor girl. The internet is just another vehicle to take advantage of this. Very glad to see she is okay.
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Wow i thought i had a decent upbringing:unsure:
my parents taught us to question other peoples intentions as there would be times they were not the best. The internet is taking a chance even for those who are cautious.

I was talking over Christmas with my daughter about this case.
I had read this girl sent family a text saying "I love you" and they immediately went into where is her phone mode...... was that considered an odd message from her...

Asked my daughter if that seemed strange then we discussed code phrases or words that would alert each other if we were in trouble. Maybe that sounds over the top but if someone is watching what message you send etc perhaps a code phrase could speed up a search.
 
My parents never taught me to question other peoples' intentions, but then I'm not saying I had the best parents. Just the way I was brought up.

I'm glad you had had that conversation with your daughter. So many more conversations with children than were required when I was growing up.
 
dseag2 said:
My parents never taught me to question other peoples' intentions, but then I'm not saying I had the best parents. Just the way I was brought up.

I'm glad you had had that conversation with your daughter. So many more conversations with children than were required when I was growing up.
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My daughter is grown and with a family of her own but the idea of what would alert someone seemed like something more people might consider.
Maybe she did not say that and that is what got them to look immediately .....
 

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