The Kim Potter Trial: should she go to prison?

What do you think Daunte Wright deserved for doing the things he did? I think one of his victims has suffered a fate worse than death.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10329753/Daunte-Wright-victims-tell-violent-past.html


I cannot answer that one as Daunte Wright was under 18 years of age when most of these reported incidents took place. As such, a different set of laws are applicable. See the link you provided which reveal that the Minnesota Juvenile Court had jurisdiction over his case. Since he had not been convicted of murder you cannot impose the death penalty on him. Had he been convicted of murder then I would agreed to Lex Talionis.
 

^ You claim cops stopped your white husband three times - where? What city? This is the first time I've ever heard of a white guy making such a complaint unless they have a long record of violations and remains on a watch list. Cops carry ID cards and he has a right to demand that they surrender one upon request. Wanna show us those cards so that we can confirm if any of that is true?

It is true that whites have been killed by cops. However, blacks and browns are targeted disproportionately:
I'm not about to reveal my real name or city on the internet, you'll just have to take my word for it. I will tell you my husband is not on any sort of watch list. He had a top secret clearance while in the Air Force and you don't get those if you have had any sort of serious violations. He is not confrontation or argumentative with police, so he never would have demanded to see anyone's ID cards. He was not angry about it at all, we guess the police were doing some sort of special crack down that weekend. Each stop was by a different unit; police, sheriff, highway patrol.

You'll just have to take my word for it just as I've taken your word for the things you've said about yourself.

It is true that Blacks are targeted disproportionately. That doesn't change the fact that 457 whites were killed while people like you were claiming that it never happens to white people. I know that racial profiling exists but I also know that police can't help it if they're called to events where the suspect is described as black. They can't just sit back and refuse to go because they've hit their 14% for the year.

If you want to talk about proportions and percentages, don't forget that while blacks make up 14% of the population they commit 54% of the homicides.

I believe the reasons for this have little to do with race and everything to do with poverty. Unfortunately more black people live in dismal economic areas, so the young men often turn to gangs, drug dealing and other crime just to get by. I think the answer is in things like free childcare, better schools K through12, free or low cost community colleges in every town and free healthcare for everyone.

What I don't believe is that the police are all evil racists out to get innocent black people. There are certainly a few bad ones as in any profession, but I think they're mostly just trying to deal with the chaos and crime that has resulted from lack of social care.
 
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Locals in Minnesota know fully well that Daunte Wright's only real "crime" was driving while black: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...pired-plates-driving-while-black-may-n1263878

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Minnesota has a lot of Sundown Towns listed on Tougaloo College's website. These towns practiced unlegislated Jim Crow principles outside the South.

(Note: As the site states, it's difficult to gauge the accuracy of towns submitted since most by federal law no longer are, but for areas that were historically committed to whites only, DWB policing can be a long-term, contemporary symptom.)

Excerpt from the website
Emphasis mine

A sundown town is not just a place where something racist happened. It is an entire community (or even county) that for decades was “all white” on purpose. “All white” is in quotes because some towns allowed one black family to remain when they drove out the rest. ...​
“On purpose” does not require a formal ordinance. If, for example, a black family tried to move in, encountered considerable hostility, and left, that would qualify the town as “sundown.” ...​
Not all towns are thoroughly confirmed. Look over the information provided and come to your own conclusion. Some towns are not and never were sundown towns but are listed for other reasons. And of course, a town may have been sundown once, but now is not. Ferguson, MO, was a sundown town between 1940 and 1960. By 2014, when racial conflict famously erupted there, it was 67% black, so it was certainly no longer a sundown town. However, like some other “recovering” sundown towns, it still displayed “second generation sundown town problems”, in this case an overwhelmingly white police force that still engaged in “DWB policing.”
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More about Sundown Towns.

Although it is difficult to make an accurate count, historians estimate there were up to 10,000 sundown towns in the United States between 1890 and 1960, mostly in the Mid-West and West. They began to proliferate during the Great Migration, starting in about 1910, when large numbers of African Americans left the South to escape racism and poverty. As Blacks began to migrate to other regions of the country, many predominantly white communities actively discouraged them from settling there.​
Not only did sundown towns 'discourage' black residents, but also black travelers necessitating the N.gro Motorist Green Book published from 1936-1966.
 

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I cannot answer that one as Daunte Wright was under 18 years of age when most of these reported incidents. Since he had not been convicted of murder you cannot impose the death penalty on him. Had he been convicted of murder then I would agreed to Lex Talionis.
If a capital crime is committed by a person under 18 they can not by law receive the death penalty.
 
I believe the reasons for this have little to do with race and everything to do with poverty. Unfortunately more black people live in dismal economic areas, so the young men often turn to gangs, drug dealing and other crime just to get by. I think the answer is in things like free childcare, better schools K through12, free or low cost community colleges in every town and free healthcare for everyone.
That's exactly right. When somebody grows up in a crime ridden area where there's little hope of getting ahead in the world or even overcoming poverty, they turn to illegal activities. The system is not even an option for a lot of kids today. It's just not going to work in any way, shape, or form. But selling drugs or stealing does work if you don't get caught. And even if you do get caught, prison probably isn't that much worse than life on the outside. At least you get three meals a day and a place to live.
 
If a capital crime is committed by a person under 18 they can not by law receive the death penalty.

No death penalty here in Minnesota. However some have called for it. I would use it only in cases of cold blooded premeditated cases and in those committed by cops against innocent people but leave it up to the pols to decided whether we should have it.
 
You'll just have to take my word for it just as I've taken your word for the things you've said about yourself.


The difference being that I have heard similar stories from blacks or browns dozens upon dozens of times. Bear in mind that I have a law degree and have done social/advocacy work so that I have come across similar cases innumerable times. Some cases have actually gone to court and cops have found themselves in hot water. But in all my years I have NEVER once ever heard a white guy make such a complaint. And I mean never. This despite the fact that I have known so many victim people, social workers, sympathetic cops, and research writers.
 
Minnesota has a lot of Sundown Towns listed on Tougaloo College's website. These towns practiced unlegislated Jim Crow principles outside the South.




Very good of you to post that illuminating segment.

I could post hundreds of links which say the same. Just to prove a point I'll post this extract which again proves that it is the cops who are the problem in the Sundown State (not just town) of Iowa:


https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/iowa-ranks-worst-nation-racial-disparities-marijuana-arrests


A Black Person in Iowa Is More Than 8 Times as Likely to be Arrested for Possession Than a White Person, Despite Equal Usage Rates, an ACLU National Study Finds

Iowa has the largest racial disparity in the country of arrests in marijuana possession, with blacks being more than eight times as likely to be arrested than whites, even though whites use marijuana at about the same rate, a national American Civil Liberties Union study has found.

The report is based on data collected from the FBI and U.S. Census Bureau. It found that on average nationally in 2010, a black person was 3.7 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana as a white person. And in some individual counties nationally, blacks were more than 10, 15, and even 20 times as likely to be arrested.

Iowa has the highest racial disparity rate in the country with a black person being 8.34 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession as a white person. Iowa is followed by Washington D.C., Minnesota, Illinois, Wisconsin, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania.

In Iowa, blacks make up just 3.1 percent of the population, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. But in 2010, they were arrested at a rate 8.34 times higher than whites for marijuana possession. That translates into 1,454 blacks arrested per 100,000 of the black general population compared to just 174 whites arrested per 100,000 of the white general population.

"These are devastating numbers," said Legal Director for the ACLU of Iowa. Iowa criminal justice advocates have long pointed out racial disparities in arrest and incarceration rates of blacks and the report is further evidence that the state needs to make equity in criminal justice a priority, he said.

"Iowa has been a leading state among civil rights and should not rank as the worst in racial disparities in marijuana arrests," said Wilson. "We all need to take responsibility—whether as citizens, police on the streets, or administrators. We can all do something to change this culture if we truly care about justice and equal opportunity."

The report also includes recommendations on ending "the war on marijuana." Marijuana arrests now account for half of all drug arrests in the U.S. The report recommends legalization of marijuana as the smartest and surest way to end racially biased enforcement of marijuana laws.

Iowa has fared badly in other studies of racial disparity in its criminal justice system.



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This goes across the board in every "crime" or social malady. It's not the skin color, it's the cops that are the problem.
 
At first I wondered how a so called experienced police officer could mistake her gun for a taser. After more came out, I found out that they are not even worn on the same side...and that's on purpose. Plus her taser was yellow and black...she didn't notice that when she pulled her gun? Not knowing the difference and killing someone because of that would have made her a menace to society if she was allowed to remain on the force. Luckily that didn't happen and I'm so glad she was found guilty.
@garyt1957
 
At first I wondered how a so called experienced police officer could mistake her gun for a taser. After more came out, I found out that they are not even worn on the same side...and that's on purpose. Plus her taser was yellow and black...she didn't notice that when she pulled her gun? Not knowing the difference and killing someone because of that would have made her a menace to society if she was allowed to remain on the force. Luckily that didn't happen and I'm so glad she was found guilty.
@garyt1957
Plus -- the gun is several times heavier than the taser, and she should have noticed that in her hand.
 
At first I wondered how a so called experienced police officer could mistake her gun for a taser. After more came out, I found out that they are not even worn on the same side...and that's on purpose. Plus her taser was yellow and black...she didn't notice that when she pulled her gun? Not knowing the difference and killing someone because of that would have made her a menace to society if she was allowed to remain on the force. Luckily that didn't happen and I'm so glad she was found guilty.
@garyt1957
I suggest that tasers be redesigned. Instead of having a hand-grip exactly like a gun, the taser should be shaped like a flashlight or similar, so the feel would be completely different than a gun, and the cop trained repeatedly until handling becomes second nature.
 
At first I wondered how a so called experienced police officer could mistake her gun for a taser. After more came out, I found out that they are not even worn on the same side...and that's on purpose. Plus her taser was yellow and black...she didn't notice that when she pulled her gun? ....

I truly believed before the trial that it was a heat-of-the-moment tragic mistake because she fired in such a way that she endangered the passenger and the officer at the passenger door. Her gun safety training included over and over again that you always consider what's beyond your target. I'm still not 100% sure she deliberately chose the gun ....but!!! her breakdown during her testimony and much of what she said came across as insincere and no doubt the jurors thought so as well.
 
I expect she knew the photographer as she would know most of the police staff after 26 years. He probably said something kind to her and she smiled in polite response -- or we could just make something dirty out of it and grind her under our heels a little bit more while she's already lost her career, her reputation and years out of her life over a mistake.

It must be wonderful to have gone through your whole life without ever fumbling or getting confused or making a mistake of any kind. Go congratulate yourselves.
 
I expect she knew the photographer as she would know most of the police staff after 26 years. He probably said something kind to her and she smiled in polite response -- or we could just make something dirty out of it and grind her under our heels a little bit more while she's already lost her career, her reputation and years out of her life over a mistake.

It must be wonderful to have gone through your whole life without ever fumbling or getting confused or making a mistake of any kind. Go congratulate yourselves.



Dunno who that's directed to but I can certainly attest to the fact that I made a few mistakes in my time. Thankfully, no one died as a result. On the contrary, I used the knowledge gained while working for the Treasury Department and while earning a law degree to keep people out of jail and preserving good quality of life for those who could not afford legal assistance. The work did not pay much but led to a great deal of personal satisfaction.
 

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