Are you a Christian and do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

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I was a born again Christian for 10 years. I studied the Bible and prayed daily. The church was where all my friends were. I believed the Bible was God's word and Jesus was the only way to be saved. That IS what the Bible says. The Bible is very straight forward about accepting Christ as your savior and following Him above all else. He teaches that money is the root of evil, and that adultery doesn't need to be physical, because lust is a sin.
I am no longer a Christian, because I no longer believe that the Bible is "god's word". If you think you are a Christian, how do you reconcile what the Bible teaches and the way you believe and behave?

This video points out the difference in saying you are a Christian and yet ignore what the Bible teaches.

I'd start with two questions from the title of your thread:
1. Define 'Christian.'
2. Which Bible?

To posters who replied in the affirmative, I have two questions:
1. In the New Testament, there are at least 2 books (that I know of) that provide detailed accounts of Jesus's birth.. do you believe what was said is accurate?
2. I've read numerous things on the reason for baptism; while they're similar, one seems especially compatible with many christians' viewpoints of "getting saved": Getting saved is a free gift, from God to us, that includes forgiveness of our sins, eternal life and guaranteed entrance into heaven through Jesus Christ.
Does this coincide with what you believe on this topic?
 
I was brought up with the Southern Baptist Church....lets just say I've lost faith in what that church teaches....I was going to say that I don't have any criticism of other's religion, but I do....and that is the fact that so many evangelicals but their faith in political figures that are anything but what a christian should be and they do untold damage to the country and the world...
 
I don't really have a horse in this race, but I really doubt any God would be this petty, and if he is, it may be time to look for a new one. Mike

Maybe you think it is insane, but it really, really is an abomination to God. However, there are a lot of choices we make that are so bad and senseless, and when we decide to make better choices our lives will be better.
 
Actually @Paco Dennis you did well and were considerate as the thread poster though all the sub posts about sin etc worked against focus.

@Paco Dennis >>>Are you a Christian and do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

Would have been better posed "Are you a Christian and only if so do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

You then added briefly where you were personally coming from that is always appropriate. Then in your OP, you added yet another sub-question "...If you think you are a Christian, how do you reconcile what the Bible teaches and the way you believe and behave?" And that added all the posts about sin, diluted the title discussion.

With many forum subjects, that would have been appropriate left as is however predictably given how strong many feel above anything religious, those inputs became subjects for some members to post on alone without addressing your title questions. Unfortunately post threads on Internet forums are full of land mines where one's intended subject is easily hijacked and abandoned by others unless one carefully crafts opening posts.

Post responding to the #7 about sin could be sub divided more.
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David's post #73 76
 
We were born bad so that we can enjoy God when we find Him. I think that is the apparent logic, but who says it needs to be logical, because Gods thoughts are far superior to ours...even though we are made in his image.

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God created us, and he gave us the power of making our own choices, good and bad. Hopefully we learn the consequences of bad choices and the blessings of good choices. Just living by 10 commandments alone is a good base to start off with.

Wow that's just great. What sort of god creates people "bad" and then insists that they worship 'him' so that they get a ticket to heaven?
That's like running a protection racket. Not only does this god create 'bad' people but just to rub it in, some are born with terrible illnesses or deformities. If there was a god (which I don't believe there is) the one you describe is not the sort I'd want to know.

So answer to the original question ... NO and NO.
 
Actually @Paco Dennis you did well and were considerate as the thread poster though all the sub posts about sin etc worked against focus.

@Paco Dennis >>>Are you a Christian and do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

Would have been better posed "Are you a Christian and only if so do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

You then added briefly where you were personally coming from that is always appropriate. Then in your OP, you added yet another sub-question "...If you think you are a Christian, how do you reconcile what the Bible teaches and the way you believe and behave?" And that added all the posts about sin, diluted the title discussion.

With many forum subjects, that would have been appropriate left as is however predictably given how strong many feel above anything religious, those inputs became subjects for some members to post on alone without addressing your title questions. Unfortunately post threads on Internet forums are full of land mines where one's intended subject is easily hijacked and abandoned by others unless one carefully crafts opening posts.

Post responding to the #7 about sin could be sub divided more.
vaguely...
Posts that responded to the title questions #2 3 4 5 6 8 18 21 22 23 24 33 42 43 45 46 52 53 60 61 62 65 66 67 71 75 77 79 81 84 87 88 89 92 96 97 99 100 101 102 103 104
Posts that responded to the sub-question #7 9 10 11 12 13 14 16 19 20 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 35 36 37 39 40 49 63 64 68 69 78 80 82 85
Posts not addressing any posts #15 17 38 44
Posts that responded to #38, posts 41
Posts that responded to #44, posts 48 50 51 54 55 56 57 58 59 70 74 91 93 94 98
David's post #73 76

When I watched that OP video, I was struck by the "interpretations" of the Bible. How so many Christians take the Bible literally, and people who call themselves Christian have expanded the words in the Bible to include interpretations that are not Biblical. Quite a contrast. I am well aware of this and I think what you believe to be true is true for you, not everyone else. That is why I posed the question, because I can't get myself to believe in anything. I would rather know the facts.
 
Please do including the rest of Genesis, but not within this thread that has run its course, so start a new thread thank you. It is at the core of why so many no longer believe.
There so much in the Bible that is myth and miraculous that Genesis is just the tip of the iceberg. Parting of the Red Sea, Noah's Ark, David and Goliath, etc.... Jesus turning water into wine, raising dead people ( Lazarus ), walking on water, etc.... I have no problem with myth, but when myth is considered factual there is reason to not believe. So we would have to go through the whole thing to point out why people doubt these stories. Thanks for the very thoughtful replies. :)
 
Indeed the wise strategy is not to have absolute beliefs unless they are based on facts and merely lean in relative degrees on issues that are not. Unfortunately in common English conversation, the use of the term "believe" has morphed into more relative senses. For example, "I believe I will have lunch at noon today" would better be posed as "I expect I will have lunch about noon today". Or "I believe the stock market will rise today so will buy ATT", ought be ""I suspect the stock market will rise today so gambling will buy ATT".

There so much in the Bible that is myth and miraculous that Genesis is just the tip of the iceberg. Parting of the Red Sea, Noah's Ark, David and Goliath, etc.... Jesus turning water into wine, raising dead people ( Lazarus ), walking on water, etc.... I have no problem with myth, but when myth is considered factual there is reason to not believe. So we would have to go through the whole thing to point out why people doubt these stories. Thanks for the very thoughtful reply. :)
Well just pick any one section and I'll remove supernaturalism from any. Am away the rest of today.
 
I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God.. IMO, for the most part It is not to be taken literally, . I claim to be a Christian because I do believe in the teachings of Jesus. Of course I also believe in and admire Buddhism :) There is truth in all religions and what I disapprove of is the claim of exclusivity by any religion. Of course I also understand this is a stance that could benefit some so I live and let live :)
 
I am an Orthodox Christian and-
  • I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible.
  • And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only-be-gotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all Ages. Light of Light, True God of True God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father, through Whom all things were made.
  • Who for us men and for our salvation, He came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became Man.
  • He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and He suffered and was buried.
  • And He rose on the third day according to the Scriptures.
  • He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father;
  • And He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead; His kingdom shall have no end.
  • And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of Life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and the Son, is worshipped and glorified; Who spoke through the Prophets.
  • I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
  • I confess One Baptism for the remission of sins.
  • I look for the resurrection of the dead.
  • And the life of the Age to come.
AMEN
 
Some people are really nice and helpful people but they are not believers and their soul is lost. i have high hopes they will find God.
I respect your faith & am happy you feel secure in it. I don’t think any less of you because of it and that's the crux of it. I feel that many religious followers such as yourself use words like “their soul is lost”, “i have high hopes they will find God”. In the Muslim parlance I’m an infidel like someone of no stature. I was not able to attend my nieces wedding because I did not belong to the Mormon church or didn’t meet their requirements to be present in their inner sanctum.

I’m perfectly happy with my beliefs & don’t feel lost at all. The universe knows what it’s doing & I’m content that I’m a part of it just like yourself.

In my mind it’s a tragedy that so many religious groups have these kinds of thoughts about other people. What a waste to discount so many people.

I believe we all came from the same place & that’s where were going when our time is up. Pure love has no religious connotations or right/wrong facets.

I am not a perfect person by any means but the universe gave me something that I believe in & that’s to become the best person I’m capable of. After 66 years I haven’t got it right yet but the light is stronger than ever.

I'm not really picking on you, just your choice of words that many people subscribe to.
 
The first commandment says, "You hall have no other gods before Me". When you deny God, that is unforgiveable. the only time.
I can not accept anything as being unforgivable.. God is all forgiving and no matter how long it takes I believe we get chance after chance to get it right. I am not too enthusiastic about reincarnation but it kind of does make sense and seems 'fair' but who knows....
 
1. a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Christianity.

2. the Christian scriptures, consisting of the Old and New Testaments.
1. Do you believe that includes individuals who were baptized as infants- or only individuals who did this later on in life?

2. While there are individuals who believe 'their' religion/denomination is the only right one, there are also those who believe NO denomination constitutes "Christianity." They say Lutherans, Methodists, Catholics, Presbyterians, etc., are not true Christians.

3. One oddity is referring to the Old Testament as part of "Christian scriptures" while the first 24 books are actually Jewish Holy Books.

4. Additionally, though, are you aware of how many versions and translations there are of the Bible?
Although it was written over an extended period of time, by many different people, and in various languages, what many referred to as 'the Bible' not too many decades ago is NOT what's being presented these days.
There are actually numerous versions that are specifically 'Christian,' including some with the name in their titles. And there are huge differences. I mentioned this not too long ago in another thread, can't find it, but here's another example:

The King James Version, which I heard was long the most popular, states as 1 John 3:15 as
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer.

New International Version reads: Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer.

Yet, The Living Bible words it as: Anyone who hates his Christian brother is really a murderer at heart.

A little further along in 1 John, KJV says: we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
The Living Bible says: we also ought to lay down our lives for our Christian brothers.

Jesus never used the word 'Christian.' Nor did it exist in the Old Testament. And despite its longtime popularity, the KJV only uses the word Christian 3 times. So I'm kinda wondering why people aren't picking up on these discrepancies.
 
Doesn't being an atheist take belief?
Yeah, that's the tougher one to swallow for me.
I've been agnostic most my life.

And the evolution theory.....whoa
Pretty much akin to taking a clock apart
Putting it in a bag
and shaking the crap outa that bag for 17 gazillion years, or however long it takes
to become a clock....

Now, the big bang seems a bit more feasible
took about six days
 
Yeah, that's the tougher one to swallow for me.
I've been agnostic most my life.

And the evolution theory.....whoa
Pretty much akin to taking a clock apart
Putting it in a bag
and shaking the crap outa that bag for 17 gazillion years, or however long it takes
to become a clock....

Now, the big bang seems a bit more feasible
took about six days
No, a clock is a clock. It is inanimate and cannot change. Now, organic life - well that's a different matter.
 
I gotta say one thing here, then I've got wood to butcher;

Prolly off topic, but

I firmly believe God's people are in every sect, religion, kindred, tongue, and people

I know some of 'em
A true blessing

and will be united in the end
of which don't seem all that far off
 
The minister in the OP video says that homosexuality is an abomination to God?
Ah but aren't Christians supposed to follow Jesus, rather than the old testament? And if they are supposed to follow the old testament there are many things they should be doing but resist doing.For instance.....
11 Things The Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway
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The Bible bans things like round haircuts, football, divorce, wearing gold and tattoos.

Yesterday, I found myself in a discussion about the anti-abortion people. The reason: It’s just incomprehensible to us that people get so zealous about that issue that they’ll go as far as to murder doctors who perform abortions and bomb abortion clinics.
The conversation then took its natural turn to selective, self-serving interpretations of the Bible… finding a few verses that you can use to justify a position that lets you impose your morality on someone, and riding those verses hard and fast for the rest of your life.
So I thought it’d be a good time to find a bunch of stuff that the Bible bans… stuff that’s a lot LESS convenient. Don’t worry, though… just because I’m pointing it out, that doesn’t mean you now have to follow it. It’s a lot easier to keep discriminating against gay people for no particular reason than to stop eating bacon, after all.
Here are 11 things that are technically banned by the Bible. (All quotes are translations from the New American Standard Bible, but, because I’m actually trying to maintain serious journalistic integrity here, I cross-referenced several other translations to make sure I wasn’t missing the point.)

1 | Round haircuts​

See you in Hell, Beatles… and/or kids with bowl cuts, surfer cuts or (my favorite) butt cuts. Leviticus 19:27 reads “You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard.”

2 | Football​

At least, the pure version of football, where you play with a pigskin. The modern synthetic footballs are ugly and slippery anyways. Leviticus 11:8, which is discussing pigs, reads “You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.”
And you’re doubly breaking that if you wake up, eat some sausage then go throw around the football. Or go to the county fair and enter a greased pig catching contest.

3 | Fortune telling​

Before you call a 900 number (do people still call 900 numbers, by the way?), read your horoscope or crack open a fortune cookie, realize you’re in huge trouble if you do.
Leviticus 19:31 reads “Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.” The penalty for that? Check Leviticus 20:6: “As for the person who turns to mediums and to spiritists, to play the harlot after them, I will also set My face against that person and will cut him off from among his people.”
Seems like a lifetime of exile is a pretty harsh penalty for talking to Zoltar.

4 | Pulling out​

The Bible doesn’t get too much into birth control… it’s clearly pro-populating but, back when it was written, no one really anticipated the condom or the sponge, so those don’t get specific bans.
But… pulling out does. One of the most famous sexual-oriented Bible verses… the one that’s used as anti-masturbation rhetoric… is actually anti-pulling out.
It’s Genesis 38:9-10: “Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also.”
Yep — pull out and get smote. That’s harsh.

5 | Tattoos​

No tattoos. Leviticus 19:28 reads, “You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord.”
Not even a little butterfly on your ankle. Or Thug Life across your abdomen. Or even, fittingly enough, a cross.

6 | Polyester, or any other fabric blends​

The Bible doesn’t want you to wear polyester. Not just because it looks cheap. It’s sinfully unnatural.
Leviticus 19:19 reads, “You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.”
Check the tag on your shirt right now. Didn’t realize you were mid-sin at this exact second, did you? (Unless you checked the tag by rolling off your neighbor’s wife while you two were having anal sex in the middle of robbing a blind guy. Then your Lycra-spandex blend is really the least of your problems.)

7 | Divorce​

The Bible is very clear on this one: No divorcing. You can’t do it. Because when you marry someone, according to Mark 10:8, you “are no longer two, but one flesh.” And, Mark 10:9 reads, “What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”
Mark gets even more hardcore about it a few verses later, in Mark 10:11-12, “And He said to them, ‘Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.'”

8 | Letting people without testicles into church​

Whether you’ve been castrated or lost one or two balls to cancer isn’t important. The Bible doesn’t get that specific. It just says you can’t pray.
Deuteronomy 23:1 reads (this is the God’s Word translation, which spells it out better), “A man whose testicles are crushed or whose ***** is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord.”
Oh, and the next verse says that if you’re a bastard, the child of a bastard… or even have a great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild of a bastard, you can’t come to church or synagogue either.
Deuteronomy 23:2 reads, “No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the Lord; none of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the assembly of the Lord.”

9 | Wearing gold​

1 Timothy 2:9 doesn’t like your gold necklace at all. Or your pearl necklace. Or any clothes you’re wearing that you didn’t get from Forever 21, Old Navy or H&M.
“Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments.”

10 | Shellfish​

Leviticus 11:10 reads, “But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you.” And shellfish is right in that wheelhouse.
Leviticus 11 bans a TON of animals from being eaten (it’s THE basis for Kosher law); beyond shellfish and pig, it also says you can’t eat camel, rock badger, rabbit, eagle, vulture, buzzard, falcon, raven, crow, ostrich, owl, seagull, hawk, pelican, stork, heron, bat, winged insects that walk on four legs unless they have joints to jump with like grasshoppers (?), bear, mole, mouse, lizard, gecko, crocodile, chameleon and snail.
Sorry if that totally ruins your plans to go to a rock badger eat-off this weekend.

11 | Your wife defending your life in a fight by grabbing your attacker’s *******s​

No joke. Deuteronomy actually devotes two verses to this exact scenario: Deuteronomy 25:11-12.
“If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his *******s, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.”
That’s impossible to misinterpret. Ladies, if your husband is getting mugged, make sure to kick the mugger in the pills. Do not do the grip and squeeze (no matter what Miss Congeniality might advise). Or your hand needs to be cut off.

As a final note, I know that nine of these 11 cite the Old Testament, which Christianity doesn’t necessarily adhere to as law.
To which I say: If you’re going to ignore the section of Leviticus that bans about tattoos, pork, shellfish, round haircuts, polyester and football, how can you possibly turn around and quote Leviticus 18:22 (“You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”) as irrefutable law?
 
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