What is your personal conception of "Sin"?

Sin is an offensive act against religious law or a society's moral philosophy. There are some sins like murder of those in one's community that would be unanimously agreed to even in aboriginal groups while others on a broad scale of seriousness depend on specific religion, society, culture, or philosophy. Personally, my own view of sin tends to be much broader than others here in the USA, while as a counterculture 60s era person in the public, I tend to tolerantly quietly behave towards others that differ from my own views under "Live and Let Live", and "Let it Be".

For instance personally, never view pornography, especially Internet porn, nor trash environments, nor make white lie excuses to people just because because it is a convenient habit, though may be critical in some circumstances. Generally, think our human world is sadly heading this rare blue water planet with its incredible life towards doom due to powers that control the world, and yes, in my mind that is a massive sin though obviously those powers seem to disagree.
 

MarciKS said:
Baptism was designed to instill fear? Hmmm....I was never afraid. I just wanted to do what the bible instructed.
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"Instilling fear" is meant in the context of organized religion's purpose of binding a man back to his source, his origin.

By telling the followers that if they are not baptized, that they will NOT GO TO HEAVEN instills fear in those who want to do what is right and correct. This is not a correct statement, and I do take issue with it.
IMO, The Holy Bible has been changed many times by church councils, again, to keep practitioners in fear of not doing what the church tells them and to keep them bound to the church.
Something is wrong when the religions keep the fear of punishment and of Hell in the mind. It should teach the love of God, not the fear of God. It should elevate man and forward a fulfilled way of life.
Even the dogmatic rituals of religions serve a certain purpose in guiding man, channeling the activities of man to attain the high purpose of human existence. I am not debasing any religion or their rites and rituals. for they bring souls together to sing and praise God. This is good.
All souls go to Heaven after the death of the body. ALL! My books explain this in detail, (from the Angels).

I certainly hope my opinions are not offensive to anyone seeped in their own religious beliefs. Thanks.
 
David777 said:
Sin is an offensive act against religious law or a society's moral philosophy. There are some sins like murder of those in one's community that would be unanimously agreed to even in aboriginal groups while others on a broad scale of seriousness depend on specific religion, society, culture, or philosophy. Personally, my own view of sin tends to be much broader than others here in the USA, while as a counterculture 60s era person in the public, I tend to tolerantly quietly behave towards others that differ from my own views under "Live and Let Live", and "Let it Be".

For instance personally, never view pornography, especially Internet porn, nor trash environments, nor make white lie excuses to people just because because it is a convenient habit, though may be critical in some circumstances. Generally, think our human world is sadly heading this rare blue water planet with its incredible life towards doom due to powers that control the world, and yes, in my mind that is a massive sin though obviously those powers seem to disagree.
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A most thoughtfully reasoned opinion. Thanks.
 

Gaer said:
Not defined from a dictionary, or from your religion; How would YOU define "SIN" ?

I would consider "SIN" to be a straying from the path of the soul's evolution.
IMO, No "SIN" exists in the absolute, or in the higher worlds.
This is a man-made, Earthly, moral deviation.
The soul punishes himself and society establishes the criteria.
This is what you perceive as "not right action".
This could be performing an action which you think might hurt another soul.
"SIN", IMO, is a pre-planned action from the lowest function of the human mind
and keeps the mind in the lowest consciousness level.
This is not a natural movement of the soul or the mind and exists
only in the field of the relative.

This is my personal perception of "SIN". What is yours?
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Doing something that you know is wrong and you do it anyway. A choice made to sin. Such as taking a candy bar out of the store without paying for it just to see if you can get away with it knowing that it is wrong.
 
fancicoffee13 said:
Doing something that you know is wrong and you do it anyway. A choice made to sin. Such as taking a candy bar out of the store without paying for it just to see if you can get away with it knowing that it is wrong.
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What if I'm a six year old child who isn't fed on a regular basis and I stole bologna so my sister and I can eat? Would that make me a sinner or just a soul trying to survive? I mean, at six, I'd probably realize that stealing is wrong but what other choices do I have?
 
Chris P Bacon said:
What if I'm a six year old child who isn't fed on a regular basis and I stole bologna so my sister and I can eat? Would that make me a sinner or just a soul trying to survive? I mean, at six, I'd probably realize that stealing is wrong but what other choices do I have?
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You know what I meant, I don't want a debate. Like the lady said, just wanting to know what "sin" is without all the beliefs etc.
 
I only know what you said. Unlike some, I'm not a mind reader. And I don't ask that we debate this either. I just wanted to point out that those who are quick to judge are not always seeing the bigger picture. Enjoy your righteousness.
 
I remember studying Grahame Greene's novel Brighton Rock many, many years ago. The novel contrasts the secular concepts of right and wrong with the religious concepts of good and evil. They are similar but different ideas of morality.

Sinning is the result of choosing evil over goodness. The result is that we suffer torment of the soul (troubled conscience, self loathing etc).

Criminality occurs when we transgress against the laws of the land and offend against society. The penalty is to be judged by our fellows for our actions and punished according to the laws. We also face ostracization and living in the shadows.

There is overlap between these two concepts but they are nevertheless distinct, with very different outcomes.

A similar contrast is contained in the concepts of atonement (religious) and rehabilitation (secular).
 

What is your personal conception of "Sin"​


There are acts of immorality but necessarily classified as sin.
Sin & Sinfulness are recognized by certain religions and belief systems by the authority of what or who they worship. God declared sin therefore only God forgives sin. Without God, sin would not known as sin.
 
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Gaer said:
"Instilling fear" is meant in the context of organized religion's purpose of binding a man back to his source, his origin.

By telling the followers that if they are not baptized, that they will NOT GO TO HEAVEN instills fear in those who want to do what is right and correct. This is not a correct statement, and I do take issue with it.
IMO, The Holy Bible has been changed many times by church councils, again, to keep practitioners in fear of not doing what the church tells them and to keep them bound to the church.
Something is wrong when the religions keep the fear of punishment and of Hell in the mind. It should teach the love of God, not the fear of God. It should elevate man and forward a fulfilled way of life.
Even the dogmatic rituals of religions serve a certain purpose in guiding man, channeling the activities of man to attain the high purpose of human existence. I am not debasing any religion or their rites and rituals. for they bring souls together to sing and praise God. This is good.
All souls go to Heaven after the death of the body. ALL! My books explain this in detail, (from the Angels).

I certainly hope my opinions are not offensive to anyone seeped in their own religious beliefs. Thanks.
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"All souls go to Heaven after the death of the body. ALL!"

according to every single bible i possess...all different versions...not one of them says that. and i don't see how someone can tell people that with no actual knowledge. it's misleading. i'm gonna exit this discussion now. good to see you btw Gaer. 🤗
 
Mr. Ed said:

What is your personal conception of "Sin"​

Conception of sin is as if sin is conceived and I was conceived by my parents. Then my parents are responsible for passing sin on to me.
There are acts of immorality but necessarily classified as sin.
Sin & Sinfulness are recognized by certain religions and belief systems by the authority of what or who they worship. God declared sin therefore only God forgives sin. Without God, sin would not known as sin.
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I know what you are trying to do but conception is more than birth. It's forming, devising, envisioning, creating a concept. IMO
 

What is your personal conception of "Sin"?​

Pretty basic for me;

Not doing what I know I should do

Doing what I know I shouldn't do

I've been a master at both

However;

Forgiveness brings joy where there's been sorrow
 
Gaer said:
I know what you are trying to do but conception is more than birth. It's forming, devising, envisioning, creating a concept. IMO
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I'm not sure exactly what I was trying to do, but the word conception stood out so I commented on it.

What are your thoughts on my second statement?
Sin & Sinfulness are recognized by certain religions and belief systems by the authority of what or who they worship. God declared sin therefore only God forgives sin. Without God, sin would not known as sin.
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Mr. Ed said:
I'm not sure exactly what I was trying to do, but the word conception stood out so I commented on it.

What are your thoughts on my second statement?
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You asked me to comment on your statement, so I will.

God is a loving God. God does not judge your "sins". You judge yourself as you evolve and become aware of disharmony or discord you are causing.
The different strata of creation are but varied stages of vibrating Being. This vibrating from the mind may not be in harmony with nature.
If the mind is not established in accordance with cosmic law, the harmony is disturbed.
Keeping the soul and the mind in this lower function is not a natural movement of the growth to God.
I would describe "sin" on Earth as wrong or ignorant action purposely performed.
Imo, It is not for anyone on Earth to censor desires of any other soul. Disregard what you feel are "sins". Instead grow to God in your own soul.
As your first part of the sentence states, "Sin and sinfulness are recognized by certain religions and belief systems by the authority of what they worship" is true, but I personally don't recognize their "authority" to judge or punish.
For the last part of your sentence, that only God can forgive sins, The soul itself will feel repentance for its actions The soul becomes aware of the growth which must occur and is humbled. The soul bears the burden of what The soul interprets as "sin". The soul knows his right from wrong. The soul determines if amends are to be given. (This can be valued as karmic action) The soul forgives himself as he becomes more in harmony with the Being.
I still assert the word "sin" is man-made as people judge other's words and actions. God loves all souls unconditionally as he sees them in different stages of growth in consciousness. We cannot look at souls the way God and Angels (Earth's Holy Messengers of God) view people. If we did, we would have more compassion, empathy for what we consider as sinful actions. God and the Holy Spirit are all light and love!
Anyway, That's my feelings about your sentence.
 
Gaer said:
You asked me to comment on your statement, so I will.

God is a loving God. God does not judge your "sins". You judge yourself as you evolve and become aware of disharmony or discord you are causing.
The different strata of creation are but varied stages of vibrating Being. This vibrating from the mind may not be in harmony with nature.
If the mind is not established in accordance with cosmic law, the harmony is disturbed.
Keeping the soul and the mind in this lower function is not a natural movement of the growth to God.
I would describe "sin" on Earth as wrong or ignorant action purposely performed.
Imo, It is not for anyone on Earth to censor desires of any other soul. Disregard what you feel are "sins". Instead grow to God in your own soul.
As your first part of the sentence states, "Sin and sinfulness are recognized by certain religions and belief systems by the authority of what they worship" is true, but I personally don't recognize their "authority" to judge or punish.
For the last part of your sentence, that only God can forgive sins, The soul itself will feel repentance for its actions The soul becomes aware of the growth which must occur and is humbled. The soul bears the burden of what The soul interprets as "sin". The soul knows his right from wrong. The soul determines if amends are to be given. (This can be valued as karmic action) The soul forgives himself as he becomes more in harmony with the Being.
I still assert the word "sin" is man-made as people judge other's words and actions. God loves all souls unconditionally as he sees them in different stages of growth in consciousness. We cannot look at souls the way God and Angels (Earth's Holy Messengers of God) view people. If we did, we would have more compassion, empathy for what we consider as sinful actions. God and the Holy Spirit are all light and love!
Anyway, That's my feelings about your sentence.
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I agree with everything you said in your response
 
Want to thank everyone who contributed their input to this thread! You all have very interesting opinions.
 

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