Could the COVID vaccine contain properties to shorten natural life span?

Mr. Ed

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Im am curious if the push for mass inoculation of COVID-19 vaccines and boosters are being given to decrease world population by recipients dying of "natural causes" and thereby untraceable to COVID vaccines?

Obviously, just a thought, but if you recall, history reminds us of the Tuskegee Study. The goal was to “observe the natural history of untreated syphilis” in black populations, but the subjects were completely unaware and were instead told they were receiving treatment for bad blood when in fact, they received no treatment at all.

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A subject of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment has his blood drawn, c. 1953
Numerous experiments which were performed on human test subjects in the United States are considered unethical, because they were illegally performed or they were performed without the knowledge, consent, or informed consent of the test subjects. Such tests were performed throughout American history, but most of them were performed during the 20th century. The experiments included the exposure of humans to many chemical and biological weapons (including infections with deadly or debilitating diseases), human radiation experiments, injections of toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests which involved mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of other experiments. Many of these tests were performed on children,[1] the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment". In many of the studies, a large portion of the subjects were poor, racial minorities, or prisoners.
Many of these experiments violated US law. Some others were sponsored by government agencies or rogue elements thereof, including the Centers for Disease Control, the United States military, and the Central Intelligence Agency, or they were sponsored by private corporations which were involved in military activities.[2][3][4] The human research programs were usually highly secretive and performed without the knowledge or authorization of Congress, and in many cases information about them was not released until many years after the studies had been performed.

You may say that was a different time and has no relevance in today world? The times may be different but human nature does not change.
 

Oops, didn't mean to dismiss you personally, @Mr. Ed. Tuskeegee was performed on a few undervalued members of American society. A disgusting act, of course. What you are suggesting is that these types of experimental treatments are being done on millions/billions, of people for, what did you say? Population control or something? Nah, I can't buy that, but that doesn't make me right, just totally disbelieving.
 

Perhaps you are right, however, people forget and forgive too easily as if nothing ever happens.
 
For that to be true, there would have to be some sort of master plan that all governments had agreed to.
Can anyone remotely believe that is possible?
I agree, the government ain't smart enough to pull off such a plan and vaccine mfgs would have to go along. Too many people involved to keep it a secret. The only real fact is that unvaccinated are overloading our healthcare system and many of them are dying.
 
The possibility of the bulk of the world governments agreeing on Anything...much less something like population control...is so remote as to be virtually impossible. Covid is a Virus....it's source is still being debated. We should just be grateful that vaccines were developed before the death toll reached the 10's of millions.
 
Oops, didn't mean to dismiss you personally, @Mr. Ed. Tuskeegee was performed on a few undervalued members of American society. A disgusting act, of course. What you are suggesting is that these types of experimental treatments are being done on millions/billions, of people for, what did you say? Population control or something? Nah, I can't buy that, but that doesn't make me right, just totally disbelieving.
Considering I'm a white male formerly receiving disability benefits because of mental illness, non-contributor to society would classify me a nonproductive burden to society. Undervalued members of society were viewed as undesirable, worthless, ginny pigs.
The stature of these undesirables possessed the trademarks of my life except for skin color and social acceptance.

I wonder if drug companies and pharmaceuticals have received FDA approval without fully testing a drug, later to discover horrific complications, permanent injury and death.

Power and Greed are known to persuade the best of intentions
 
I wonder if drug companies and pharmaceuticals have received FDA approval without fully testing a drug, later to discover horrific complications, permanent injury and death.


IF the current vaccines has gone through years of "clinical trials' before being available to the public, the death toll, by now, would be a dozen times, or more, than current numbers. No one knows what the effect of these vaccines may be 10+ years from now, but the "results" seem to far outweigh the "risks".
 
I wonder if drug companies and pharmaceuticals have received FDA approval without fully testing a drug, later to discover horrific complications, permanent injury and death.
The closest thing I can think of to that was Thalidomide. Back in the 50s and 60s it was not FDA approved in the US, but it did get some approvals in other countries, and some use was apparently allowed in the US as "experimental". It resulted in more than 10,000 children with birth defects, but only 17 in the US, probably due to the FDA's refusal to approve.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide

So, yes it happens, but not very often. And we have learned a lot since the Thalidomide thing, so the risk is lower. But you can never say never. I can understand why some don't get vaccinated because of this fear. I am not one of those, I am fully vaccinated. I don't think the risk from this is nearly as great as the risk of Covid for the unvaccinated.
 
I agree, the government ain't smart enough to pull off such a plan and vaccine mfgs would have to go along. Too many people involved to keep it a secret. The only real fact is that unvaccinated are overloading our healthcare system and many of them are dying.
That "Only Real Fact" you speak of is a tape recording of what we're being fed. That doesn't make it true, especially when the people feeding it to us have a long history of lying to us.
 
The closest thing I can think of to that was Thalidomide. Back in the 50s and 60s it was not FDA approved in the US, but it did get some approvals in other countries, and some use was apparently allowed in the US as "experimental". It resulted in more than 10,000 children with birth defects, but only 17 in the US, probably due to the FDA's refusal to approve.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide

So, yes it happens, but not very often. And we have learned a lot since the Thalidomide thing, so the risk is lower. But you can never say never. I can understand why some don't get vaccinated because of this fear. I am not one of those, I am fully vaccinated. I don't think the risk from this is nearly as great as the risk of Covid for the unvaccinated.
There are MANY drugs that were approved and then taken off market the FDA likes to call them voluntary recalls and advisories ... makes it seem more like a company messed up not the FDA.

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/drug-recalls
A drug recall is the most effective way to protect the public from a defective or potentially harmful product. A recall is a voluntary action taken by a company at any time to remove a defective drug product from the market.

The list below includes voluntary recalls in which public notification has been issued.

See FDA’s role in drug recalls for more information.
See Recalls, Market Withdrawals, & Safety Alerts for all FDA-regulated products.
For recall notices older than 60 days, see recall and safety alerts archive.




People OFTEN Forget the drugs etc unless perhaps they took them.
These were FDA approved using company information that sometimes glossed over potential issues.

The whole vaccine issue IMO is not about fear or lack of understanding but a choice made especially after many items came to light.

the RISK of death from Covid is still about 1% so for every 100 only 1 person ... from the beginning.... BEFORE vaccines....the MEDIA hype seems to think it is opposite.
the average % for hospitalization is about 5-6%. Most of these are people with other conditions/ disease.... and complications.

The smart study would have looked at those who were A-symptomatic from the beginning.....learn why some had no issue not assume everyone was at same risk as others.
all claims of it could have been worse if you had not taken the never ending shots is simply unproven\ cannot prove a negative...
just look at the word used ... Could ... should ... we think...
for what ever reason if their was a Plan it did not work as they thought ....too many did not just comply and not ask questions...
 
the RISK of death from Covid is still about 1% so for every 100 only 1 person ...
That is interesting, I had believed the death risk for a vaccinated person was significantly lower, but it does not seem to be the case.

I took some data from a recent CDC report that looked a US population of several million people (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm).

Their data shows that for the time period through December 2021 the risk of death for unvaccinated people who contracted Covid was 1.39% and 0.79% for vaccinated. So lower for vaccinated, but not as much lower as I had expected to see. They only had limited data since Omicron emerged, but the numbers look about the same.

This doesn't say anything about the risk of contracting Covid or the hospitalization rates, just deaths. Some of that info is probably in the study, I just looked to death rates.
 
That is interesting, I had believed the death risk for a vaccinated person was significantly lower, but it does not seem to be the case.
thank you for the details to the actual numbers the Half percentage rate is NOT that significant .....

and with all these deaths since the beginning close to 80% had many as many as 4 + co- morbidity items...... so many lives would be spared working on the co morbidity issues then the shot prevented.
 
That is interesting, I had believed the death risk for a vaccinated person was significantly lower, but it does not seem to be the case.

I took some data from a recent CDC report that looked a US population of several million people (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm).

Their data shows that for the time period through December 2021 the risk of death for unvaccinated people who contracted Covid was 1.39% and 0.79% for vaccinated. So lower for vaccinated, but not as much lower as I had expected to see. They only had limited data since Omicron emerged, but the numbers look about the same.

This doesn't say anything about the risk of contracting Covid or the hospitalization rates, just deaths. Some of that info is probably in the study, I just looked to death rates.
"Data Torturing" is a technique often used in the medical profession to sell products & change the outcome of studies to show exaggerated benefits of a drug or vaccine.
 
Alligator, your data sounds awfully dubious to me. Here's another set of data, which is probably a lot closer to the truth.

COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths by Vaccination Status (wa.gov)
Thanks @Sunny that is an interesting study. A little more recent than the one I cited, but based on a smaller population.

I do not think it disagrees with what I said, in fact it more or less agrees. Your study says depending on age group that unvaccinated are 3 to 6 times more likely to contract Covid, 4 to 7 times more likely to hospitalized and for 65+ 7 times more likely to die. These are based on the general population, including many people who did not contract Covid.

What I said was that once people contract Covid they are not a whole lot less likely to live or die based on vaccination status. This is consistent with your study, for example your study says for people 65+ the chance of contracting Covid are 6 times greater for unvaccinated, and dying 7 times greater. So about the same. Chances of dying once sick with Covid similar vaccinated or not.

I was careful to point out that I had not analyzed the risk of contracting Covid or getting hospitalized. Just the risk of death once you get it.
"Data Torturing" is a technique often used
@win231 have you looked at this data? What do you make of it?
 
the difference in studies there show one thing presentation matters....
the study showing death is very close statistically the other mentioned says things like 6 X .......but that can be misleading ..

Example:
In my state the governor went to a city that had very few cases in his speech he said the hospitalization had tripled so that sounds horrible and scary ... right? That WAS the purpose of speech to invoke fear ..

The city has approx 250,000 residents ..... the hospitalized did triple from 7 patients to 21 in a city with four hospitals whose individual capacity was far greater then the 21 people......
Not exactly a LIE but you see the point..... people fall for the comparison and do not use actual numbers because in the light of that not as scary.
 
That "Only Real Fact" you speak of is a tape recording of what we're being fed. That doesn't make it true, especially when the people feeding it to us have a long history of lying to us.
I’m not sure what fact you’re referring to. Are the hospitals not at capacity with COVID patients or they're mostly the unvaccinated. In any case I think there is a preponderance of evidence from the healthcare workers themselves and my personal experience so I made the statement. That’s my opinion.
 
I’m not sure what fact you’re referring to. Are the hospitals not at capacity with COVID patients or they're mostly the unvaccinated. In any case I think there is a preponderance of evidence from the healthcare workers themselves and my personal experience so I made the statement. That’s my opinion.
look at the real hospital numbers ... I would suggest NY since their governor made then report people who entered hospital from covid vs patients who may test positive while there for other things..
many other cities when looked at closely line up that 50% not there for COVID.

In NYC the difference is 51% people were in hospital for OTHER things .... like surgeries etc.....

the "capacity " claim is being shown by those who record data correctly to be exaggerated.
 


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