At least 6 dead, 9 injured in Sacramento shooting rampage

The suspectS still on the loose. They'll probably be at least one suicide by cop with another probably heading for the border. All this because someone didn't do what they wanted or expected.
 

WhatInThe said:
The suspectS still on the loose. They'll probably be at least one suicide by cop with another probably heading for the border. All this because someone didn't do what they wanted or expected.
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Local news said police are gathering videos from the nightclub, as witnesses said an argument broke out inside, and from street cams that might show shooters running gun in hand. Problem with that is, Sacramento city officials have never been into covering the cost of street cams.
 

Murrmurr said:
Shooting broke out about 2 am, right after the bars/nightclubs close, and witnesses say there were at least 2 shooters who were shooting at each other after exchanging punches and shoves. Pretty likely they were drunk. As likely, drugs involved, too. Nightclub bathrooms are popular spots for drug sales and use.

This took place in Downtown Sacramento on a street that was part of a huge, beautiful shopping district until some of the most popular stores started closing about a decade ago. The area where the church shooting back in Feb was also a low crime area until fairly recently. Both areas have seen a boom in homeless camps. I'm guessing that's relative.
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It's been probably 20 years since I was in downtown Sacramento. Is this anywhere near that shopping place where Macy's was? I can't remember if it was a completely enclosed mall or partially open.

They are discussing it on San Francisco news talk right now. Nothing solved from what they are saying. Very tragic.
 
Remy said:
It's been probably 20 years since I was in downtown Sacramento. Is this anywhere near that shopping place where Macy's was? I can't remember if it was a completely enclosed mall or partially open.

They are discussing it on San Francisco news talk right now. Nothing solved from what they are saying. Very tragic.
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It was exactly there; 10th and K St.

The Downtown Mall was partly enclosed.
 
Murrmurr said:
I doubt any of our SF fellows will bother searching us out for a few registered guns that are engraved with those bothersome serial numbers.

I probably wouldn't confess it on a site like facebook or twitter, though.
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Agreed, but there are always lurkers on public sites. The chances are obviously small, but generally speaking it's not a good idea to divulge too much privat business on the Internet.
 
Murrmurr said:
Only the Constitution is mentioned, though. This point has been argued by certain politicians.
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Sure, at that time of the full force and effect date of the Original 7, the BoR had not been adopted yet, they applied after adoption, since at the time, the BoR only applied to the federal government. Can you imagine a President telling the people his government is not bound by the 4th AM since it was not part of the O-7, or they will enact a National religion despite the 1st?
 
WhatInThe said:
Suspect one's brother arrested

https://fox40.com/news/sacramento-m...brother-arrested-in-sacramento-mass-shooting/

Little or no details yet as to their roles in the murders.
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"faces charges on suspicion of being a prohibited person (felon) in possession of a firearm and possessing a machine gun."

Machine gun??

That boy's in a heap o' trouble. I'd love to know where he got a machine gun. I doubt the police dept will make it public; every gangsta will want one.
 
Murrmurr said:
"faces charges on suspicion of being a prohibited person (felon) in possession of a firearm and possessing a machine gun."

Machine gun??

That boy's in a heap o' trouble. I'd love to know where he got a machine gun. I doubt the police dept will make it public; every gangsta will want one.
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Have to wonder how big their gang was. In one of the videos it shows a physical fight which stopped after machine gun fire. One of the brothers was convicted of domestic abuse so he cant own a gun period.
 
WhatInThe said:
Have to wonder how big their gang was. In one of the videos it shows a physical fight which stopped after machine gun fire. One of the brothers was convicted of domestic abuse so he cant own a gun period.
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Probably the fight broke out because the one gang was off-turf, which is an open threat....a declaration of war, basically.

Rumor on the street here is that one or more members of the off-turf gang went missing over the weekend and they suspect the downtown gang has something to do with it, or knows where they are. Just a rumor, though.
 
Murrmurr said:
Rumor on the street here is that one or more members of the off-turf gang went missing over the weekend and they suspect the downtown gang has something to do with it, or knows where they are. Just a rumor, though.
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Standard operating procedure isn’t it.
 
WhatInThe said:
One of the brothers released early on parole serving 3 years on a 10 year sentence despite opposition from the DA. Should've been considered a danger.

https://www.latimes.com/california/...got-out-of-prison-early-despite-da-opposition
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We don't have many new criminals; we have many recycled criminals.
How else would police officers, district attorneys & judges justify their salaries & raises? And how else would they come across as heroes, devoted to "fighting crime?"
 
win231 said:
We don't have many new criminals; we have many recycled criminals.
How else would police officers, district attorneys & judges justify their salaries & raises? And how else would they come across as heroes, devoted to "fighting crime?"
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Here's an example. The principal shooter, Smiley Martin, got an early release from a 10-year sentence and should have been given more time for a number of past charges.


But there are literally thousands of up-and-coming new criminals here. They know the "big guys" are let loose too often or get off on a legal technicality and they aspire to attain the same glory.
 
Murrmurr said:
Here's an example. The principal shooter, Smiley Martin, got an early release from a 10-year sentence and should have been given more time for a number of past charges.


But there are literally thousands of up-and-coming new criminals here. They know the "big guys" are let loose too often or get off on a legal technicality and they aspire to attain the same glory.
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Definitely - the other issue with early release.
 
ohioboy said:
Sure, at that time of the full force and effect date of the Original 7, the BoR had not been adopted yet, they applied after adoption, since at the time, the BoR only applied to the federal government. Can you imagine a President telling the people his government is not bound by the 4th AM since it was not part of the O-7, or they will enact a National religion despite the 1st?
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The BoR is always referred to as a separate document. When I took my kids to tour the White House years ago, the BoR and the bigC were not even displayed side-by-side. The guide goes, "Here's the Constitution," and did his schpiel about that, and then you walk a ways and he goes, "Now, over here, we have the BoR," and yadda yadda about that.

I don't think the BoR was ever *officially* named Part of the Constitution. Am I wrong about that? If not, don't you think that's kind of a little bit unnerving? I do because, sadly, I can imagine some future president taking advantage of this seemingly trivial detail.
 
Yes, they are separate in the fact of not being the same document, factually true, however the BoR's is "Provisional" to or "Housed" in the Constitution. Article 6's Supremacy clause does not mention the BoR, just the Constitution, as they were not even around then, but the Incorporation of them makes them the law of the land. When the USSC rules a law or act violates, say the 4th AM, it is "Unconstitutional", the same with all the other specific AM's (1-8).
 

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