Genesis 2:21 Adam's rib

spectratg said:
Look David I respect your right to have religious views...I admire your ability to string together a bunch of nonsensical stuff, like God and electromagnetic fields. You have a quite vivid imagination!
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Was your :unsure: labeling what my thread is about religion supposed to bait me to respond for something you expected I given my science background, I would in more detail defend whatever religious views I might have? I ask that because if you have looked at my posting content history, you would see I do not have any rigid religious views and what I do have is more about science I am not afraid to publicly kick around. Although I could well go into a depth of science here, that would deflect away from the intent of the thread, a diversion. So maybe will discuss that more directly in a future thread.

As @Knight noted the thread is not about possibly trying to push some religious perspective as it is admitting even though the Bible is flawed, it is our only Earth man record we have, that if one looks and filters carefully as I am offering in this thread, one may find science nuggets worth at least weighing as a possible evidence of a god or UIE (Ultimate Intelligent Entity). Given eternity past, the rapid recent level of human science especially computer and AI science, ancient UIEs are likely to have already come to be. With the entire universe, the rare blue water Earth if known to such a race at least billions of years old would arguably have considerable interest. And life on Earth made the atmosphere blue over 2 billion years ago, a rare life signature.

There is a fair chance the Earth is a partially planetary engineered zoo creation of custodian UIEs that tend to have a prime directive of non-interference during this technology era at this remote outpost between Milky Way spiral arms. Or maybe as you lean towards, the Earth is just an unknown backwater planet that given enormous light speed limited distances between worlds, that even if UIEs exist, they are mostly isolated or not interested and we hairless Whopper eating Earth monkeys have always been alone. Neither alternative is worth putting all ones marbles into. But then with a smile during the next total solar eclipse consider how remarkable a coincidence that our Moon during some eclipses is now just the perfect distance for its diameter to closely block the sun's diameter at its distance.
 

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spectratg said:
Look David I respect your right to have religious views. But to be honest about it, you and millions of others are just making up stuff to try to give the human race some meaning in the universe. We are one animal species among many, and despite our obvious arrogance are no better than any other animal species. Our species just happened to be the first to develop through evolutionary happenstance a large forebrain so that we could make all this stuff up. Chimps share much of our genetic structure. From an evolutionary perspective chimps and humans are much closer than we are to ants for example.
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Humans are genetically extremely closely related to Chimpanzees. In fact, humans and chimps share 98.6% of the exact same DNA structure. We are much more closely related to chimps than to gorillas, with whom we share 96% of common DNA.

Does that mean that we evolved from chimps ? NO ! Of course not. BUT we do share a common ancestor. Somewhere, aprox 6 million years ago, we, chimps and humanoids, branched of from a common ancestor. Given enough time and new technology, we will finally identify that common ancestor.
 
I try to use most things I am exposed to as an opportunity for knowledge, spiritual growth and amusement. I try my best not to waste any experience or confabulation. I had to look that word up by the way. I take most of David77 posts as an offering of food for thought from an intelligent mind as I do the posts from all of you here. I can choose to use this information in a positive manner or disregard it as tripe. I try to keep an open mind about all things but sadly I am human and to do that with everything I see and hear can be an exercise in futility. So I plod along doing the best that I can from day to day hoping to become better at it. Thanks for the post David 77 and thanks to the rest of you for your input. This is why I stay here.
 

RadishRose said:
I thought Adam was fashioned by God out of earth; also Eve, plus a rib. Then God breathed life into them.
I don't know too much about Adam's first wife Lilith.
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Google says:
The Isaiah 34:14 Lilith reference does not appear in most common Bible translations such as KJV and NIV. Commentators and interpreters often envision the figure of Lilith as a dangerous demon of the night.
 
David777 said:
Was your :unsure: labeling what my thread is about religion supposed to bait me to respond for something you expected I given my science background, I would in more detail defend whatever religious views I might have? I ask that because if you have looked at my posting content history, you would see I do not have any rigid religious views and what I do have is more about science I am not afraid to publicly kick around. Although I could well go into a depth of science here, that would deflect away from the intent of the thread, a diversion. So maybe will discuss that more directly in a future thread.

As @Knight noted the thread is not about possibly trying to push some religious perspective as it is admitting even though the Bible is flawed, it is our only Earth man record we have, that if one looks and filters carefully as I am offering in this thread, one may find science nuggets worth at least weighing as a possible evidence of a god or UIE (Ultimate Intelligent Entity). Given eternity past, the rapid recent level of human science especially computer and AI science, ancient UIEs are likely to have already come to be. With the entire universe, the rare blue water Earth if known to such a race at least billions of years old would arguably have considerable interest. And life on Earth made the atmosphere blue over 2 billion years ago, a rare life signature. There is a fair chance the Earth is a partially planetary engineered zoo creation of custodian UIEs that tend to have a prime directive of non-interference during this technology era at this remote outpost between Milky Way spiral arms. Or maybe as you lean towards, the Earth is just an unknown backwater planet that given enormous light speed limited distances between worlds, that even if UIEs exist, they are mostly isolated or not interested and we hairless Whopper eating Earth monkeys have always been alone. Neither alternative is worth putting all ones marbles into. But then with a smile during the next total solar eclipse consider how remarkable a coincidence that our Moon during some eclipses is now just the perfect distance for its diameter to closely block the sun's diameter at its distance.
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Please use paragraphs and punctuation. It's too difficult to understand rambling blocks of text. Thank you.
 
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JonSR77 said:
Sounds like you are taking my comments too personally, there. I could be wrong, of course, but I thought there was mention in the rules to not discuss either politics or religion. Sorry if I misread something.

But I just misread something.

Do not direct any anger at me. This is the internet, but it is still society. Not your place to direct anger at me. I have done exactly ZERO wrong.

And, you know, since, over the years, I have done reading for the blind, worked in soup kitchens and done endless, endless hours of volunteer work and helping people...definitely not your place to criticize me with some kind of anger. Keep that to yourself.
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Wow. There was no anger stated, implied or intended in my comment.
 
Indeed @Grampa Don, speculation, but with some science and logic support a wise mind need consider as a possibility. What you are actually saying is unknowns are currently much larger than support of either side can make. Of course there are increasingly numbers of sober astronomy and astrobiology experts and science experts like this person that are paying attention to the possibility of other intelligent entities in the Universe as more likely than not despite push back from religious and societal institutions that would prefer dominant thought not go there. Even a top scientist at NASA now expects if we someday do discover that aliens have been watching, they are not likely to be little green men but rather artificially evolved entities that immense time ago had originally been organic and like we humans developed essentially immortal if not physically destroyed AI intelligence.

As for human evolution, as in worms to monkeys, I as someone that studies astrobiology science, am squarely in that camp as evidence is overwhelming. However what I do lean towards that I've only tersely described at this point as it is off topic, is that aliens may have genetically engineered ordinary humans and that Adam was the result. A narrow thread subject I'll craft up in the future.
 
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We now have, of course, aircraft equipped with a coating that can "bend" sound waves and make the craft invisible to radar.

We are also developing technology which bends light and makes the craft invisible to ordinary visual detection. There have been small scale projectors or whatever they are called, that already bend light. They do actually already exist. I think their scope is still reasonably narrow and they are not close to being able to make an entire aircraft invisible to visual detection.

Anyway, if aliens have this technology, they could easily move through our air space and not be detected by either radar or visual perceptions of them.

Also, if they have a personal light bending generator on them...when they walk around, they would also be invisible to the eye.


Oh, I believe they exist. I am not sure how accurate the information is about them. I would guess there is a lot of bluster from people wanting to publish something...and, within that, some smaller gist of accurate information.
 
Humanity has always struggled to explain its origin. Every society has had a version. Space aliens are just one more. Whether or not they really exist doesn't matter much at this point. For all we know, we could be a computer game for some kid from planet Ork. So, what?

Live life as you find it. It is what it is. Do the best you can. Take the History channel with a grain of salt.
 
Lara said:
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The Isaiah 34:14 Lilith reference does not appear in most common Bible translations such as KJV and NIV. Commentators and interpreters often envision the figure of Lilith as a dangerous demon of the night.
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She never appeared in any of mine. In fact, I didn't know Lilith existed until I was in college.
 
oldaunt said:
"""So if the human soul""""

What makes you think here is such a thing? Where is the proof? Not speculation...proof.
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A human soul is, perhaps, the level of sophisticated feelings and understanding we have of the world around us that lower orders of animal life lack. šŸ¤” You know you can never receive the kind of proof you demand to answer this so I won't strain further to answer. That's a trap and my soul says, "Don't play this game."
 
chic said:
She never appeared in any of mine. In fact, I didn't know Lilith existed until I was in college.
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I never heard of Lilith until today from this thread. I was also in college but still never heard of Lilith.

There are legends that Adam had a wife before Eve who was named Lilith, but this is not found in the Bible. The legends vary significantly, but they all essentially agree that Lilith left Adam because she did not want to submit to him. According to the legends, Lilith was an evil, wicked woman who committed adultery with Satan and produced a race of evil creatures. None of this is true. There is no biblical basis whatsoever for these concepts. There is no one in the Bible named Lilith.

The passage most often pointed to as evidence for Lilith is Isaiah 34:14, which in the NRSV reads, "there too Lilith shall repose." This is a poor translation. Every other major translation of the Bible reads something to the effect of "night creature" or "screech owl." Even if "demon monster named Lilith" was the proper translation of the Hebrew word, Adam is nowhere even hinted at in this passage or its context. Whatever the Lilith was, it is not given any connection whatsoever to Adam or Creation.

The Bible specifically says that Adam and Eve were the first human beings ever created (Genesis 1:26-28; 2:18-25). This "Lilith" myth is popular in some radical feminist movements because Lilith is an example of a woman refusing to submit to male headship. While there are myths outside of the Word of God regarding Lilith, her complete absence from Scripture demonstrates that she is nothing more than a myth.

Reference used: gotquestions.org
 

"Adam's Ribs​

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INGREDIENTS​

Nutrition
DIRECTIONS

  • Place ribs in large stock pot and pour Dr. Pepper over ribs to cover.
  • Add garlic, liquid smoke and onion.
  • Bring to a boil, lower to simmer and cook until ribs are tender.
  • Place ribs in baking pan and pour BBQ sauce over ribs.
  • Bake at 350 degrees for about 30 to 45 minutes.
  • Or they can be put on BBQ grill."
https://www.food.com/recipe/adams-ribs-19724
This all I could come up with. o_O
 
Rib...in greek...is chamber...and I believe the reproductive organs of the woman ..not named eve yet.....were there...
separate blood then...of man and woman..all about the blood line of Christ
 
@RadishRose >>>"I thought Adam was fashioned by God out of earth; also Eve, plus a rib. Then God breathed life into them."

That is the likely Mesopotamian priest sect addition within 1:1 > 2:3 you refer to is
Gen 1:26
Then God said, ā€œLet Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.ā€

So it does not say Adam was the first human but rather that he made man that is in Hebrew synonymous with the term adam. Later priest dogma assumed that meant Adam was the first man a stupid disregard for basic logic but predictable given how much else was also assumed beyond exact language. One needs to expect written language's quality was primitive during that early civilization era. Imagine angels having a good laugh at that. However expected given anthropomorphic superstitious Earth monkey attitudes with a desire to make their god more important. Also does not with certainty indicate when man was made nor that of plants but rather merely Earth once had neither that was of course true across the planet landscapes for over 3 billion years with just algae in the sea gradually building up enough oxygen in the atmosphere for land life.

How he made man could have been by breeding select humans and or adding genetic DNA enhancements in vitro versus normal humans. That may be why Adam's descendents lived so long until The Flood as their DNA was recessive, gradually melting in the dominant much large human population. One thing 1:26 does state of interest if it indeed has any value is "Our image, according to Our likeness" reads like a group as in race of superior entities not just a single vastly more everything god though one might expect one of those entities being the ultimate power among similars. And that fits into my possible UIE angle.

Now the below Moses written verses make Gods creation of man so vague and mystical that it ought be instantly rejected as any attempted description of a physical process beyond the reality that all Earth creatures come from matter and energy of the planet. The breath of life is magic mumbo-jumbo one would expect from some ancient science ignorant poet priest with a large imagination he enjoyed entertaining others with. But again, the priest sect.

Gen 2:5 Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground.
Gen 2:6
But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground.
Gen 2:7
Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
 
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This may be off topic. If so shoot me. I mentioned this book "The 12th Planet" by Zecharia Sitchin in an earlier thread. I am not pushing the book but he mentions his thoughts on some of the same things David777 mentioned above. One of his ideas is that a visiting advanced civilization used apes for genetic engineering to create docile workers (human beings) for their heavy work here on earth. The book may be a little far fetched but it is still an interesting read. If you have not read it already you may enjoy it or not.

Years ago before the internet I wanted to get into research of the Bible. The problem I ran into was where to start. There are so many versions in so many languages that it is next to impossible to analyze the words for their true meanings. Today it may be a possibility because of our access to information but back then all I had was the library and whatever Bibles I could lay my hands on. King James added to my confusion. I am not a scholar but I am a theorist. I enjoy thinking about things that have no set answers. Which in my opinion is most things.
 
The search for important moral truths are life long human mental ventures. I for sure am a seeker that has more questions than answers, sometimes is incorrect, but not afraid to play the game of life. It can be enjoyable, fun, and exciting. No one whispers into my ears at night and life can be a struggle I have no entity to reach out to at least for most issues.

@oldpop >>>"The 12th Planet">

Indeed there is a whole industry around "The Book of Enoch", (not in Canon) that is about Enoch and The Watchers and ancient astronauts. Web sites, UFO magazines. Years ago I looked at TBOE and some of the many sensationalizings book about it's contents and thought those running with it were intent on creating some elaborate embellishment of what the book actually says for the sake of creating magical tales as entertainment.
 

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