Unbelievable - conversing about wages is strictly forbidden

The bloody wars the United Auto Workers bled for and died have become a bare skeleton for the employees of today.
Union hierarchies attract criminal elements, but with all that they still work for the employees.
Big business has always planned to break the power of the unions-and they have.

Today, unions are a shadow of what they were intended to be.

(Of peculiar interest, the little man that ran for president: Ross Perot had a policy to fire any employee that discussed his or her salary)
 
Tish said:
A brutal note left by a business owner has threatened to sack employees if they speak about their wages.
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Yeah, on the other side of the desk, during an annual review, we'd advise employees to not discuss their wages with other employees.
For what seems should be obvious reasons...

But, hey, employees did it all the time.
Matter of fact, their peers would pounce on 'em minutes after they emerged from the conference room.

That business owner didn't know much about proper protocol.
You can suggest
Not demand
 

Gary O' said:
Yeah, on the other side of the desk, during an annual review, we'd advise employees to not discuss their wages with other employees.
For what seems should be obvious reasons...

But, hey, employees did it all the time.
Matter of fact, their peers would pounce on 'em minutes after they emerged from the conference room.

That business owner didn't know much about proper protocol.
You can suggest
Not demand
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It was the same where I worked.

I was always too embarrassed to discuss mine. ;)
 
Ah, you poor working stiffs: You were born free but today you walk in chains. First, stop the hugging, then put on the mask, then keep your distance and the last thing to go is what used to be called "Freedom of Speech."

The CEOs and the millionaires/billionaires fly around in private jets, have multi homes all over the world, enjoy their yachts, go on exotic holidays, live behind high fenced walls with dogs for protection but the peasants are given a gag order. If you ask me, I'd say there is something very wrong with this picture. It doesn't seem fair to me? Are we talking about the dark ages? Surely it can't be the 21 century or can it?
 
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@Murrmurr That's interesting. I wonder how many people advocate for themselves once fired or just go find another job ASAP. I remember researching online if I could get unemployment if fired when I had a boss that was absolutely horrible to me. And I found you can unless you did something horrible like stole or hit someone.

I can't trust them. I worked with a woman who had been fired at a previous job. She had a bit of an odd personality but from what I knew of her at work, she did her job. I just don't think she got along with everyone. She told me she got fired from a job and was presented with write ups against her that she swears she never saw but had her signature. I think someone took her signature, put it up on a window and traced her signature falsely on those write ups. I told her this also. A handwriting expert probably could have noted the stops and starts on the fake signatures. She of coarse never pursued it and got another job. I believed her story. I didn't know her to lie either.
 
Jules said:
Can the gym owner have legal repercussions for having ‘threatened’ his staff?
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This is done in the medical field also regarding staffing. I have heard of administrators threatening staff with termination if they tell patients they are short staffed that day. Some may find that different but truth is the truth.
 
Paco Dennis said:
I checked and found this website from AU. It is about a 4 minute read and starts with :

"In Australia, you can direct your employees to not disclose their salary. This is known as ‘pay secrecy.’


Employees are often prohibited from discussing their salary and remuneration through pay secrecy clauses in their employment contract. Pay secrecy clauses are particularly common in industries that offer bonuses or discretionary incentives. Some businesses use these clauses to differentiate pay amongst employees.


So, pay secrecy exists and it is perfectly legal. But is it the best option for your business and employees?


Pay secrecy clauses reduce employee bargaining power and often result in economic disadvantage. Pay secrecy is also known to significantly extend the gender pay gap.


So, if you’re considering incorporating pay secrecy clauses into your employee contracts, it’s important to wrap your head around exactly what a pay secrecy clause is and how it functions.


Read on to make an informed decision about pay secrecy and whether you should incorporate it into your business."

https://sprintlaw.com.au/articles/is-pay-secrecy-legal/
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Thank you for the link and answer.
 
Gary O' said:
Yeah, on the other side of the desk, during an annual review, we'd advise employees to not discuss their wages with other employees.
For what seems should be obvious reasons...

But, hey, employees did it all the time.
Matter of fact, their peers would pounce on 'em minutes after they emerged from the conference room.

That business owner didn't know much about proper protocol.
You can suggest
Not demand
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I cannot think of a legitimate reason why employees should not discuss their salaries-Joe makes a buck an hour more than me, we do the
same job how can this be explained?

White collar, why the secrecy: Jane is promoted to an executive position which pays 66K per year; within the year the firm finds they need
three more executives; however, their budget only allows them to pay 45k-the company can actually pay all three executives
66k,but the bean counters saw an opportunity to save 15k per employee.
The bean counters rule corporation, if their maneuvers are secret-employees suffer.

Salary employees feel they do not require unions, management enforces this concept.


So what does a union do for you?
Not a lot, they take their monthly fee-there only needed when management treats you in a calloused manner.
If you have no union your options are very limited, almost nonexistent.
 
I think whoever suggested that all the employees go on a mass strike had the right idea. Put the S.O.B. out of business. They can always get another job.
 
jerry old said:
So what does a union do for you?
Not a lot, they take their monthly fee-there only needed when management treats you in a calloused manner.
If you have no union your options are very limited, almost nonexistent.
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Depends on the union ... unfortunately ... some are OK ... some are NOT
I remember working with one that would actually tell people ... contract negotiations are coming up so we don't want to rock the boat......
there are many options depending on state etc to go after an employer if you are non union just many people do not want to go it alone...
 
I was with my daugther one time she was having a hard time getting her check from her employer, I was in back of my daugther , this lady in a loud voice, was telling my teenage daugther that she was not going to get her two weeks wages, for working at her daycare, I went straight to the courthouse , got a warrant for her pay check, took two other officers with me, the lady was real surprised, when we walked in the door, closed her business down for good a week later, on the way out the door a little girl ran after me , asking if I could help her get her pay, I did. you had to be there.
 
john19485 said:
I was with my daugther one time she was having a hard time getting her check from her employer, I was in back of my daugther , this lady in a loud voice, was telling my teenage daugther that she was not going to get her two weeks wages, for working at her daycare, I went straight to the courthouse , got a warrant for her pay check, took two other officers with me, the lady was real surprised, when we walked in the door, closed her business down for good a week later, on the way out the door a little girl ran after me , asking if I could help her get her pay, I did. you had to be there.
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That made my day! You're a hero. 🌹
 
ohioboy said:
Never heard of that legal process, can you explain in further detail?
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I think it was a court order, the labor commision set that up, most of the time I'm talking to someone else by messager ,while I have a few minutes free to be on this fourm, I write to quick. if anyone wants to lean sonething about me all they need to do is type my name in search, my life is an open book. John R. Mizell
 
john19485 said:
I think it was a court order, the labor commision set that up, most of the time I'm talking to someone else by messager ,while I have a few minutes free to be on this fourm, I write to quick. if anyone wants to lean sonething about me all they need to do is type my name in search, my life is an open book. John R. Mizell
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Could not have been a court order, as Utah has a final paycheck law like most states. If not paid, then the first step may be reporting the employer to a government agency or file suit or both. Nothing personal to you about disagreeing, just conversing.

https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/l...are-the-rules-on-final-paychecks-in-utah.html
 
Conversing about wages is strictly forbidden
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That sounds like the conditions you'd expect to see in a sweat-shop run by human traffickers...in some 3rd world country.
Complaint to the labor board, maybe a class action lawsuit would be a remedy.
 
Nathan said:
That sounds like the conditions you'd expect to see in a sweat-shop run by human traffickers...in some 3rd world country.
Complaint to the labor board, maybe a class action lawsuit would be a remedy.
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One of the few provisions of the NLRA that apply to "at will"/ non union employees.
 
I think this is b.s. More likely, the owner was probably ashamed of his pay scale to his employees.
 

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