Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade?

Here's a video that explains the Supreme Court's review of Roe V Wade really well, and it's totally worth watching.

(disclaimer: there's nothing funny about abortion, but pls forgive this news guy...he's a comedian in his other life)

 

This comment she made, and I quote,
"...few in the anti-abortion camp speak meaningfully and offer financial support to the babies and children once they've been born."

Can either be supported by facts by the person who said it, or it us just an opinion!

Your question has no bearing on my initial comment....

Well, I share that opinion. I really do not believe there would be much resistance to ending abortions if the facts were different, and pregnant women were not seriously worried about what will happen to them and a child if they can not get abortions when they can provide for a child.
 
Here's a video that explains the Supreme Court's review of Roe V Wade really well, and it's totally worth watching.

(disclaimer: there's nothing funny about abortion, but pls forgive this news guy...he's a comedian in his other life)


Common sense and undying love for their child. Parents should be required to love their kids more than their phones, gaming, drugs, or alcohol, but whadaya gonna do, right?
How many years have you spent hating yourself because doing your very best falls way of providing well for your children? You are thinking like a man not a woman and that is the national problem.

I want to change my reply. You did not answer the question "What is required of a parent? What must a parent have to fulfill the duty of parenting?"

It takes a hell of a lot more than love and a willingness to sacrifice everything for the children.
 

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Okay - either way, it is up to the mother and father of the child to support it once it is born. It really is just that simple.
Oh really? And is that as true during good economic times as it is during bad economic times when there are not enough jobs for the people who need them? Is it equally true in all states if the people have economic opportunity or not? Is it true for high school dropouts who didn't have a real chance to do better because of circumstances beyond their control? How about when the father or the mother is an addict and or an abusive person? What if the father disappears and leaves a teenage mother alone to raise a child? Hopefully, I am not the only one who does not live a dream world of what should be.
 
It is worthy of note that not all unwanted pregnancies arise out of so called “poor choices.” The strongest example would be sexual assault. I know this from personal experience. A kind person arranged for me to have an abortion, after I became pregnant under such circumstances. I was thirteen.
I know someone who was a teenage victim of her mixed-up father who caused her to need an abortion and later decided he wanted to be a she.

The "nice boy down the street" attempted to rape me and thankfully his parents came home in time to stop that. Then he became a police officer.

My daughter was gang-raped by college students.

God made animals more moral than humans and I don't know why he chose to do that.
 
Now that is the biggest piece of BS I have seen printed on this website! The so called "crowd" opposes contraception and PPH helping women get birth control options.... Can you support any of this, is it documented or? Sounds like pure political slander....
That was not BS.

The Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) released their opinion in Little Sisters of the Poor v. Pennsylvania, and ruled to uphold expanded exemptions to the Affordable Care Act’s birth control mandate for employers with religious or moral objections. This ruling goes against the Affordable Care Act’s requirement that all plans cover contraception, and allows employers and universities to deny their employees and students coverage for contraceptive care based on a religious or moral objection. This unfortunate ruling puts coverage at risk for people all over the country.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-pacific-southwest/blog/supreme-c

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Is that good enough or do you want more proof that there are people who will end birth control and also stand against protection from AIDS.

We are supposed to have separation of state and church but we do not and it has become impossible for me to listen to religious rhetoric and hold my tongue.
 
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Of course not! The 13th Amendment specifically prohibits slavery. States may pass whatever law they wish, but if that law is appealed to the Supreme Court and found to be unconstitutional it will be voided by the Court.

Let's be clear on this. The Constitution does not consist of, nor is it bound by, that which you or I believe to be right. It is what it is, and it is the duty of the judges of the Supreme Court to decide the meaning of every one of its words. If you or I don't like those words, the Constitution can be altered -- which it has been twenty-seven times.

Be that as it may, Roe v Wade is an opinion which you and I support. "IF" the current Court decides that the previous decision of the Court was wrong (which at this point it has not done), then a 28th amendment may be necessary and very useful.
When Oregon was mostly pioneers a journalist interviewed them before they all died and some of the women spoke of their distress that we made a big fuss over slavery but ignored the women held in slavery because we called it marriage. Back in the day girls were married off at age 14. It had nothing to do with love but was servile. Unfortunately for many women, the condition of their survival was unbearable but they had no choice. I had the good fortune of knowing some of them and they were very glad to survive longer than their husbands who they hated.

Life was not easy for anyone. In some ways it was worse for men than women and in other ways, it was worse for women than men. However, being a wife and mother can still be a form of slavery, simply because it is not possible to work outside of the home and be at home to care for the children. Their are husbands who become abusive if the wife so much visits with someone, or returns to college, or takes a job. He may just abuse the wife but may also abuse the children unless she keeps him pleased. May God have mercy on this woman if she becomes pregnant again extending her years of being dependent on the man.

Let's be clear,

In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision in McCorvey's favor ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether to have an abortion.
Our liberty must not be denied by well-meaning people because they are not living in the circumstances of the person making the decision. Take that away from us and we are in slavery.
 
Our liberty must not be denied by well-meaning people because they are not living in the circumstances of the person making the decision. Take that away from us and we are in slavery.
Once again, the Constitution is what it is. It is the duty of well meaning SC judges to impartially interpret the meaning of the words of the Constitution. If those words prove inconvenient or offensive in today's world, then by all means amend -- which has been done twenty-seven times, but to just reinterpret genuine meaning to satisfy a group or Party and avoid the inconvenience of amendment is dangerous and ill advised. This could in effect turn our SC justices into a legislative body -- a body that in different hands could use its power to enact "legislation" that many who previously supported this misuse of power might find highly alarming. Beware the vicious dog you create -- it might well turn on you.
 
How many years have you spent hating yourself because doing your very best falls way of providing well for your children? You are thinking like a man not a woman and that is the national problem.

I want to change my reply. You did not answer the question "What is required of a parent? What must a parent have to fulfill the duty of parenting?"

It takes a hell of a lot more than love and a willingness to sacrifice everything for the children.
I answered the question. Sorry you're not happy with it.

I raised my kids. I was a single dad, so of course I think like a man. A national problem, 'uh? Well I certainly don't see it that way. I don't hate myself for any reason, especially not my parenting. My kids are awesome people.
 
I've noticed that people such as yourself ask(no, demand!) documentation but then always reject it as "fake" or political slander. That's just part of the playbook that certain slanted media train their followers with, I see that all the time both online and in Real Life.
This is from a guy who insisted the Washington Post was Washington Times; that New York Times was the NY Post and wouldn't back down and got angry when I pointed out the difference. It took @JimBob1952 to soothe @Timewise 60+ into recognizing the facts; didn't have the moxie to tell me I was right. When he realized he was wrong he excused himself by calling it a "brain fart" which he appears to have a lot of.
 
Once again, the Constitution is what it is. It is the duty of well meaning SC judges to impartially interpret the meaning of the words of the Constitution. If those words prove inconvenient or offensive in today's world, then by all means amend -- which has been done twenty-seven times, but to just reinterpret genuine meaning to satisfy a group or Party and avoid the inconvenience of amendment is dangerous and ill advised. This could in effect turn our SC justices into a legislative body -- a body that in different hands could use its power to enact "legislation" that many who previously supported this misuse of power might find highly alarming. Beware the vicious dog you create -- it might well turn on you.

How we understand reality determines our judgment and from the beginning of the US, some were Christians with classical education and some were not. Those with a classical education tended to be Deist which is built on a classical education that is learning the Greek and Roman classics, and understanding Aristotle's meaning of the pursuit of happiness and why we have a secular democracy, not a Christian kingdom. I am afraid the present judges do not have the required education to judge with the knowledge of those who wrote the constitution. If they did they would not make laws that violate our privacy and liberty.

Our founders were very afraid of government having too much power and unfortunately some follow Hegel's notion of the state being God and everyone being forced by the state to live as the state rules. The Evangelicals are destroying our democracy and do not have the education essential to preserving it.
 
I answered the question. Sorry you're not happy with it.

I raised my kids. I was a single dad, so of course I think like a man. A national problem, 'uh? Well I certainly don't see it that way. I don't hate myself for any reason, especially not my parenting. My kids are awesome people.
You absolutely did not answer the question! Let us begin with the needs for life, food, clean water, and shelter. In modern times we have added medical to that.

Next level, children living in poverty are children at risk. Some of them live in such violent neighborhoods this risk means they can be shot on the streets or even when inside their homes. The education of these children is extremely poor and there is nothing in their lives to prepare them for the life experience you have had.

How many years did you stay home to care for your children and what did that do to your ability to qualify for a good job with good pay? You do agree someone has to take care of the children, right? You can not leave them alone all day, right? Having children is a 24/7 job. Are you the one who did that job? You sure don't write as someone who did that job.
 
I answered the question. Sorry you're not happy with it.

I raised my kids. I was a single dad, so of course I think like a man. A national problem, 'uh? Well I certainly don't see it that way. I don't hate myself for any reason, especially not my parenting. My kids are awesome people.
Who raised them? Or who supported them so you could stay home and raise them? Was that in an inner-city ghetto or a rural town with almost no economic opportunity?
 
Who raised them? Or who supported them so you could stay home and raise them? Was that in an inner-city ghetto or a rural town with almost no economic opportunity?
I worked and raised my kids. I took shift-work so I could be home as much as possible. I lived where life was affordable.

What are you even talking about? Is your point that birth control methods, women's health services, and abortions are unavailable to low income women? Because you're 100% off the mark there, Vida. All of those services are available free of charge if a woman is homeless / displaced / lives below the poverty level, if she qualifies for Medicaid, and/or if she is under 18 and emancipated or acting without parental involvement.

In many high-schools, birth control products are available free of charge to boys and girls, and all Women's Health Services clinics offer them for free as well. In states where those programs don't exist in the schools, birth control products and GYN services can be had for free through the Department of Human Assistance and Department of Social Services nationwide.

Did you watch that video? I posted it because it explains that the Supreme Court is reviewing Roe v to ascertain whether it has protection under the constitution. It explains that the SC doesn't make laws, it protects them as long as they are not unconstitutional. The SC doesn't want people yelling at them about abortion, they want them to yell at their state representatives, the people who DO make laws. And they haven't even begun to review it. That could take months or even years, according to the video.

They may even reject a review, because some of them believe that, in the whole wide world, abortion is nobody's business except for 2 people; a woman and her doctor. Some of the judges believe we shouldn't even have abortion laws, that the laws themselves should be illegal. And I agree with that a big fat 100%.
 
@Vida May

I'm going to tackle this one bit at a time...

You absolutely did not answer the question! Yeah, I did. That was my answer. Let us begin with the needs for life, food, clean water, and shelter. In modern times we have added medical to that. A child's health has always been a parents' concern, along with the other stuff on your list, but ok, let us begin.

Next level, children living in poverty are children at risk. Some of them live in such violent neighborhoods this risk means they can be shot on the streets or even when inside their homes. The education of these children is extremely poor and there is nothing in their lives to prepare them for the life experience you have had. These are precisely the reasons I chose to become a licensed foster parent.

How many years did you stay home to care for your children and what did that do to your ability to qualify for a good job with good pay? Often, I had to take jobs that didn't pay so well because I worked around my kids' school hours. baseball practices and games, dance recitals, illnesses, etc. You do agree someone has to take care of the children, right? You can not leave them alone all day, right? Irrelevant questions at this point. Having children is a 24/7 job. Are you the one who did that job? Yeah, there was no one else. You sure don't write as someone who did that job. How does one who did that job write? Was there not enough suffering and anguish in my words? Maybe that's because I enjoyed every minute of that job. Or maybe I'm just not a very emotive author. Maybe it would help you to know that my kids were and still are the absolute joy of my life.
 
I worked and raised my kids. I took shift-work so I could be home as much as possible. I lived where life was affordable.

What are you even talking about? Is your point that birth control methods, women's health services, and abortions are unavailable to low income women? Because you're 100% off the mark there, Vida. All of those services are available free of charge if a woman is homeless / displaced / lives below the poverty level, if she qualifies for Medicaid, and/or if she is under 18 and emancipated or acting without parental involvement.

In many high-schools, birth control products are available free of charge to boys and girls, and all Women's Health Services clinics offer them for free as well. In states where those programs don't exist in the schools, birth control products and GYN services can be had for free through the Department of Human Assistance and Department of Social Services nationwide.

Did you watch that video? I posted it because it explains that the Supreme Court is reviewing Roe v to ascertain whether it has protection under the constitution. It explains that the SC doesn't make laws, it protects them as long as they are not unconstitutional. The SC doesn't want people yelling at them about abortion, they want them to yell at their state representatives, the people who DO make laws. And they haven't even begun to review it. That could take months or even years, according to the video.

They may even reject a review, because some of them believe that, in the whole wide world, abortion is nobody's business except for 2 people; a woman and her doctor. Some of the judges believe we shouldn't even have abortion laws, that the laws themselves should be illegal. And I agree with that a big fat 100%.
Oh, so your children were old enough to leave alone. But what if it was a baby who could not be left alone? Surely you would have had to have help. Or perhaps you don't think someone helped you raise the children, even though someone did? A sister, a grandparent, a paid childcare provider, and the school system.

No, my point is not about the availability of services. My point is the cost to the woman's life if she must stay home and care for a child, especially if this comes before her education is completed and a good-paying career is established. Not only is that a problem for the mother or father in this position but it is a problem for any child who needs the support of two people. One supports by giving care and the other supports by bringing home a paycheck. Without the education and an established career, the parent's income may never meet the needs of the child. The parent can grow old never having the opportunity to actualize his/her self through a career and the child or children may grow up improvised.

In some communities, women have all the services. Not all the communities have them and it is a fight to keep the services of Family Planning. I am unaware of the Department of Human Assistance and Department of Social Services nationwide and strongly doubt that is in every community and that high school students are aware of it. I think there might be an access and availability problem? I know for sure welfare is not adequate. And some parents have a hemorrhage if the schools have sex education. I denied my daughter's participation in sex ed when the teacher responsible for the education, laughed at my question about teaching boys about condoms and he said, "that protection is for girls". Jerk! that protection is also for males too young to pay child support and it would be a burden for them to pay child support for at least 18 years, and harmful to the children they father. I did not want a jerk like that teaching anyone his sexist attitude. I just do not see the world as happy and safe as you seem to think it is.
 
Oh, so your children were old enough to leave alone. But what if it was a baby who could not be left alone? Surely you would have had to have help. Or perhaps you don't think someone helped you raise the children, even though someone did? A sister, a grandparent, a paid childcare provider, and the school system.

No, my point is not about the availability of services. My point is the cost to the woman's life if she must stay home and care for a child, especially if this comes before her education is completed and a good-paying career is established. Not only is that a problem for the mother or father in this position but it is a problem for any child who needs the support of two people. One supports by giving care and the other supports by bringing home a paycheck. Without the education and an established career, the parent's income may never meet the needs of the child. The parent can grow old never having the opportunity to actualize his/her self through a career and the child or children may grow up improvised.

In some communities, women have all the services. Not all the communities have them and it is a fight to keep the services of Family Planning. I am unaware of the Department of Human Assistance and Department of Social Services nationwide and strongly doubt that is in every community and that high school students are aware of it. I think there might be an access and availability problem? I know for sure welfare is not adequate. And some parents have a hemorrhage if the schools have sex education. I denied my daughter's participation in sex ed when the teacher responsible for the education, laughed at my question about teaching boys about condoms and he said, "that protection is for girls". Jerk! that protection is also for males too young to pay child support and it would be a burden for them to pay child support for at least 18 years, and harmful to the children they father. I did not want a jerk like that teaching anyone his sexist attitude. I just do not see the world as happy and safe as you seem to think it is.
My wife left us when our youngest was 9 months old. When I needed a sitter, it was either my mom or my sister or sister-in-law. I didn't date or go out for an evening for years except for pizza and a movie with the kids once or twice a month and visits with family.

In states that stopped funding Family Planning clinics, the same services are now available at any OB/GYN office. Thank insurance companies for that. They made deals with state legislators.

Did you know that while my kids were little, fathers were not eligible for any kind of welfare or social assistance if they worked over 100 hours per month? A single father's kids qualified for Medicaid/Medi-Cal, though, unless they could be insured through his employer. So at least 1/4 of my income went on my kids' health insurance. The rest covered rent, utilities, and lots of food. There was no free lunch program back then, and I didn't qualify for food stamps because I worked over 100hrs/month. I bought most of their clothes and shoes at Goodwill and saved all year for Christmas. Single father's were excluded from any sort of Toys-for-Tots charities, too. He could only get that kind of assistance from some churches.

In short; single fathers were not treated the same as single mothers. The system discriminated against single fathers until the late-80s and early-90s, depending on the state. ...But I digress.

Again, in my opinion, abortion laws shouldn't even exist in any way, shape or form, and any politician who feels the same way will get my vote, for sure. Voters can decide who in their state makes state laws. Your argument isn't with me, it's with your state representatives.

btw, Vida, you seem to think men aren't very capable of raising children. That's fairly common thinking among women, although, thankfully, much less common than it used to be.
 
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My wife left us when our youngest was 9 months old. When I needed a sitter, it was either my mom or my sister or sister-in-law. I didn't date or go out for an evening for years except for pizza and a movie with the kids once or twice a month and visits with family.

In states that stopped funding Family Planning clinics, the same services are now available at any OB/GYN office. Thank insurance companies for that. They made deals with state legislators.

Did you know that while my kids were little, fathers were not eligible for any kind of welfare or social assistance if they worked over 100 hours per month? A single father's kids qualified for Medicaid/Medi-Cal, though, unless they could be insured through his employer. So at least 1/4 of my income went on my kids' health insurance. The rest covered rent, utilities, and lots of food. There was no free lunch program back then, and I didn't qualify for food stamps because I worked over 100hrs/month. I bought most of their clothes and shoes at Goodwill and saved all year for Christmas. Single father's were excluded from any sort of Toys-for-Tots charities, too. He could only get that kind of assistance from some churches.

In short; single fathers were not treated the same as single mothers. The system discriminated against single fathers until the late-80s and early-90s, depending on the state. ...But I digress.

Again, in my opinion, abortion laws shouldn't even exist in any way, shape or form, and any politician who feels the same way will get my vote, for sure. Voters can decide who in their state makes state laws. Your argument isn't with me, it's with your state representatives.

btw, Vida, you seem to think men aren't very capable of raising children. That's fairly common thinking among women, although, thankfully, much less common than it used to be.
I think men can care for children. In elementary school my best male friend was the eldest of six children. His mother died and his dad raised the kids. He was a lawyer so it was probably easier for him financially but still many problems like illness etc. can occur and men can and do handle it. Financial help for men in such circumstances would be a plus.
 
Our founders were very afraid of government having too much power and unfortunately some follow Hegel's notion of the state being God and everyone being forced by the state to live as the state rules. The Evangelicals are destroying our democracy and do not have the education essential to preserving it.
I am not religious -- Agnostic at best, but I treasure the Constitution. Our founders had a legitimate fear of an overly powerful central government -- thus the 1st Amendment which is virtually unique around the world. I agree with your opinion of abortion rights, but rather than scrap the Constitution, perhaps it needs to be amended in that regard. I would support that. In any event, the Court has NOT overturned Roe v Wade, at least not yet, so perhaps we should reserve our outrage on that issue.

To better understand where you are coming from, where do you stand on the 1st Amendment's objection to hate speech laws?
 
I think men can care for children. In elementary school my best male friend was the eldest of six children. His mother died and his dad raised the kids. He was a lawyer so it was probably easier for him financially but still many problems like illness etc. can occur and men can and do handle it. Financial help for men in such circumstances would be a plus.
There's a common assumption that men aren't or even can't be as nurturing as women. I think most of us just nurture differently. And some men nurture their kids (and other people's kids, too) pretty much the same as a mother does, even if they lack the hormones.

And of course, I know mothers who are completely void of any instinct to nurture anyone.
 


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