Your opinion on the gay lifestyle?

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oldaunt said:
And why would you "doubt I have heard"? Isn't that awfully condescending of you, just because I didn't take the time to list EVERYTHING?
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Huh? I was pointing out that while gay men have become a huge problem for the Boy Scouts (and the Catholic Church) "I doubt you have heard" of a similar problem with gay women and the Girl Scouts. Just looked it up, and it has happened, but nowhere near the extent of the molestation problem of Boy Scouts by gay male scoutmasters. Sexually transmitted disease in the gay male community has become such a problem that the CDC has developed an abbreviation MSM -- men who have sex with men. Go ahead, Google "CDC MSM" and you will get more than a million hits.
 
ElCastor said:
Huh? I was pointing out that while gay men have become a huge problem for the Boy Scouts (and the Catholic Church) "I doubt you have heard" of a similar problem with gay women and the Girl Scouts. Just looked it up, and it has happened, but nowhere near the extent of the molestation problem of Boy Scouts by gay male scoutmasters. Sexually transmitted disease in the gay male community has become such a problem that the CDC has developed an abbreviation MSM -- men who have sex with men. Go ahead, Google "CDC MSM" and you will get more than a million hits.
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Let me try rewording it. WHY do you assume I don't KNOW these things already? I DO pay attention.....
 
dseag2 said:
I keep seeing these posts pop up against the gay lifestyle. I would like to see some of you who are truly against it step up and say so and why. I have a thick skin, so feel free to share your views. Nothing hurts me these days. I am very happy with who I am.
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I have a few off topic (kind of) questions. How long have you lived in Dallas? My Mom lived in the Oaklawn area back in the day.
 
mike4lorie said:
Never been a big person on the gay and lesbian lifestyles, and I am still very much against it, but our oldest came home a few weeks ago to tell us he is Gay, I've had a very hard time with it, but I am managing...
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I'm sure it isn't easy for you @mike4lorie. Both my parents (and myself) were raised in the Southern Baptist church. My parents had a tough time initially as well, but ultimately they just wanted me to make the decisions that would make me happy. My father lived long enough to see me be successful in my career and to get to know my partner of 30 years. When he passed, we took care of my mother for 22 years until she also passed. I swear she loved my partner more than me.

You never know how things will turn out. Just give your son love and support if you can. Most of the positive responses I've seen in this thread have been from those who have gay friends, relatives or children because in time you just see the person, not the preference.
 
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dseag2 said:
16 years, near White Rock Lake. Love it here!
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I lived near White Rock seems like many many years ago. Moved away in 2008.

Oaklawn area was an epic center for AIDs. My mother had so many gay friends pass away.

I know this sounds cliché but had dealings with many gay florists as floriculture was my chosen profession.
 
JaniceM said:
Maybe @dseag2 can input on that.. but it's what I've always believed, too.

But I rarely put much stock in what so-called experts say on anything, because it's just a matter of one theory after another.
On this topic specifically, I recall decades ago when the widespread theory was boys raised by single mothers, or with 'domineering' mothers and 'weak' fathers were almost certain to 'become gay' (I guess they didn't think lesbians existed?). And the 'choice' theory is still widespread, too- even read it on another forum a few months ago.

Of all the gay males I've ever known, there were only 2 I intensely disliked- but it had nothing to do with their 'preferences,' they were just jerks. I've only known 3 lesbians- all super people, too.
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Yes, I will weigh in. I do believe it is genetic.

Sorry in advance for all the details. Those who don't want to read them can move on to another thread.

I grew up in the Southern Baptist religion and believed being homosexual was a sin. I even went to a Southern Baptist high school. I had a girlfriend for 3 years in high school and we were sexually intimate, but I still knew I preferred men. We are still friends and in touch these days, although we are both married. It would have been a tremendous injustice to her if we had married. She now understands that.

I knew at 9 years old that I was "different" but chose to hide it because of everything I had been taught. I thought being gay was disgusting and I hated myself for my innermost thoughts. But I could not change them. It took me many years to accept myself. I worked hard in my career and became successful to compensate for my feelings of inadequacy. It has actually been only recently that I've realized why I had these feelings and have become self-accepting. I was called "queer", "sissy" and "fag" and it was tremendously hurtful at the time. Now that I am older and realize I was a good son, a good provider, a considerate person, a good friend, a contributor to my company's success, etc. that those words seem trivial. I am so much more than those words, and I have a great life.

After my father passed away, my mother told me he was gay. Perhaps that is why he was so supportive. My father was one of 3 brothers and they each had one son. One of my cousins is gay, so that leaves only one of the three sons who is straight. So, yes, I believe it is genetic and even perhaps hereditary.

Thank you to anyone who reads through this thread.
 
i grew up across from Fire Island. in HS i worked and stayed over there....a friends family owned
a business on the island so i had a summer job.

thus i grew up around gay people. we went to all the diff village areas on the island. i hung around
with the cabbies in the Pines and rode around with them often too.

it was just acceptable around us then. i remember meeting Anthony from UK, new to the island.
he was so fun nice adorably cute. he'd be at lunch and invite me to sit and BS.
anyhow...it didnt seem odd to us kids back then.
 
JonSR77 said:
I have a friend who's sister is in the Pentagon. You are not the only person to be connected to realms of power. Another person I know, her son is a Colonel in the Pentagon.

I don't know you?

Well, you don't know me.

In two separate incidents, I protected Vets going into a PTSD episode, at significant risk to my own safety. Have you gone into life-threatening situations, without a weapon and risked your life to help and protect others? I have. And many of us in the non-profit world have done that. Worked in war zones, just trying to bring food and medicine to people. Those liberals that you guys hate, with as much courage as any soldier who ever took up arms. You think it is easy to defy some African warlord, to bring some medicine into a village??? You think that is not a life-threatening risk???

I consulted on a concert for Vets, put on by one of Mariah Carey's back-up singers, who lived in town.

I donated goods to a Veteran's Hospital.

We have a friend, a combat Vet from Vietnam, a Marine. He goes suicidal from time to time. I was one of the people orchestrating a watch for him to keep him safe.

So, don't presume you know me, or my dedication to the truth and to God. And...to Vets. My Dad and step-father both served in WWII. They always told me to honor the vet. And I have tried hard to do just that.


I can't imagine that the current Secretary of Defense would enjoy your posts.

Surrendering to anger and hatred and prejudice and bigotry....that is weakness. That is you surrendering to the Devil.

And don't presume that God doesn't let us know who is doing what to whom. We know. We honor compassion, not vindictive revenge. We don't sneak around, stalking people and trying to press our influence on society. I have run into endless military people, going online doing all sorts of acts of illegal harassment and abuse. And how many of those guys absorb demented beliefs and join into white supremacist groups, militia groups?

If you guys want to police society...start with your own house. Help root out white supremacy in the military.

Or, the 100,000 vets coming back from the Mid-East with PTSD. And almost all of them getting maybe 5% of the care they need. Go fight that battle to get them real help.

Who told you that the bad guys are the people working on those kinds of issues? Why would you ever listen to that used car salesman?


Don't throw away your eternal soul for a small temporary gain in the material world. Status and position and whatever. You are valuing pennies. God is the gold. Value that and walk away from the anger and hatred.
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Sorry, your post makes no sense.
 
I do not have a problem with gay lifestyles. I just simply do not understand why they have to make such a fuss about it. Why can't they be gay like we are straight without needing parades and special anagrams and all the fan fare? I don't get it. Just be yourself. No one really cares whether you are gay or not. It's more of a big deal to them than it is to me.
 
Probably a bit off-topic, but why did the homosexual community hijack the word GAY and PRIDE, and also a RAINBOW does not have the magic it once had for me anyway!😟😟
 
kburra said:
Probably a bit off-topic, but why did the homosexual community hijack the word GAY and PRIDE, and also a RAINBOW does not have the magic it once had for me anyway!
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Language changes, in many ways. I don't let this stop me from using the words the way I always have, though Christmas may never be quite the same...
Always preferred Pogo's version anyway.
"Don’t we know archaic barrel"
 
dseag2 said:
If it ever does happen ... consider yourself good-looking.
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LOL, suppose that explains why it hasn't happened, and likely never will. Now I am a bit disappointed!
dseag2 said:
I grew up in the Southern Baptist religion and believed being homosexual was a sin.
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My father was Southern Baptist, my mother Methodist. Mostly remember going to the Southern Baptist church with my grandmother, the only one in the family who was very religious. I remember lots of fire and brimstone stuff, but nothing about gay, maybe since I wasn't I wasn't thinking about it. We were taught the biblical basis for slavery...
ElCastor said:
molestation problem of Boy Scouts by gay male scoutmasters
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My scoutmaster made us play games for him where we all ended up naked and running around the campfire. Looking back he probably was one of those, or had the potential to be. However, he drank so heavily that he passed out early on, so far as I know he never actually molested anyone. After he passed out we would sneak off to shoplift beer and cigarettes. Never got a merit badge for that...

I think today a scoutmaster cannot take the boys camping by himself, probably for the best.

Interesting thread @dseag2 . Thanks!
 
ElCastor said:
Huh? I was pointing out that while gay men have become a huge problem for the Boy Scouts (and the Catholic Church) "I doubt you have heard" of a similar problem with gay women and the Girl Scouts. Just looked it up, and it has happened, but nowhere near the extent of the molestation problem of Boy Scouts by gay male scoutmasters. Sexually transmitted disease in the gay male community has become such a problem that the CDC has developed an abbreviation MSM -- men who have sex with men. Go ahead, Google "CDC MSM" and you will get more than a million hits.
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Unless there's been an update I didn't hear about, it was long ago found the majority of pedophiles are not gay.
 
Alice_B said:
I do not have a problem with gay lifestyles. I just simply do not understand why they have to make such a fuss about it. Why can't they be gay like we are straight without needing parades and special anagrams and all the fan fare? I don't get it. Just be yourself. No one really cares whether you are gay or not. It's more of a big deal to them than it is to me.
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Because they are just a bunch of folks that are starved for attention.
 
Alice_B said:
I do not have a problem with gay lifestyles. I just simply do not understand why they have to make such a fuss about it. Why can't they be gay like we are straight without needing parades and special anagrams and all the fan fare? I don't get it. Just be yourself. No one really cares whether you are gay or not. It's more of a big deal to them than it is to me.
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Just guessing, but possibly like other groups that have long been beaten down, discriminated against, etc., and are finally getting the acknowledgement they deserve as human beings?
 
Alice_B said:
I do not have a problem with gay lifestyles. I just simply do not understand why they have to make such a fuss about it. Why can't they be gay like we are straight without needing parades and special anagrams and all the fan fare? I don't get it. Just be yourself. No one really cares whether you are gay or not. It's more of a big deal to them than it is to me.
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^^^^ Something I've also wondered about.
 
After literally thousands of years, gay people can, since Stonewall 1969, proclaim proudly who they are with the law FINALLY on their side. Thousands of years. Time to CELEBRATE gay freedom; it's about time. Enjoy the party, we're all one.

No one stole words (gay, pride, rainbow). They are words. Use the words any way you want.
 
I have no issues. Love is Love. I feel people dislike what they do not understand.
I have never understood the issue though; I know people say is because gay couples do not procreate. But they do adopt unwanted children. My niece is gay. Her only agenda is to live a good and happy life with her partner
 
dseag2 said:
Yes, I will weigh in. I do believe it is genetic.

Sorry in advance for all the details. Those who don't want to read them can move on to another thread.

I grew up in the Southern Baptist religion and believed being homosexual was a sin. I even went to a Southern Baptist high school. I had a girlfriend for 3 years in high school and we were sexually intimate, but I still knew I preferred men. We are still friends and in touch these days, although we are both married. It would have been a tremendous injustice to her if we had married. She now understands that.

I knew at 9 years old that I was "different" but chose to hide it because of everything I had been taught. I thought being gay was disgusting and I hated myself for my innermost thoughts. But I could not change them. It took me many years to accept myself. I worked hard in my career and became successful to compensate for my feelings of inadequacy. It has actually been only recently that I've realized why I had these feelings and have become self-accepting. I was called "queer", "sissy" and "fag" and it was tremendously hurtful at the time. Now that I am older and realize I was a good son, a good provider, a considerate person, a good friend, a contributor to my company's success, etc. that those words seem trivial. I am so much more than those words, and I have a great life.

After my father passed away, my mother told me he was gay. Perhaps that is why he was so supportive. My father was one of 3 brothers and they each had one son. One of my cousins is gay, so that leaves only one of the three sons who is straight. So, yes, I believe it is genetic and even perhaps hereditary.

Thank you to anyone who reads through this thread.
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My friend Ken is a Vietnam combat Vet, a former Marine. He has something like 5 or six brothers. So the whole family is gathered at a lunch. One of his brothers gets up and says, "I have an announcement to make. I am gay." The other brothers look around at each other. Another brother stands up and says, "I also have an announcement to make. I am also gay." Then, a third brother gets up and also says that he is gay.

My friend Ken looks at his remaining brother. The brother says to him, "nope, Ken, not gay."

So, 3 out of 5 brothers are gay?

It's gotta be genetic.


By the way, little funny aside. I met Ken, because he became a performance poet and starting coming to our shows. So, Ken was on his Harley. Gets pulled over by a cop. Cop goes to him, "Where are you going in a hurry?" And Ken has the perfect retort, because it is just flat out true, "I am going to Harvard to read my poetry..."
 
Here's my general take. If you have lived this long and are 60,70 and up... Let's be honest, by now we have all realized one underlying truth.

We are all weird and crazy.

Gals are crazy.

Guys are crazy.


We are all nuts. All of us. If you believe differently, you haven't been looking very hard.


So, just relax, enjoy the entire festival of weird and crazy humanity ---- because we are all nuts.

Oh, you know, big tough guys who can't have their morning coffee without a few of those tiny marshmallows.

Gentle, sweet caring ladies who just love a good war movie with tons of action.

C'mon, people, let's be real.


So, just enjoy the parade of the differences. And what is behind it. And what is behind it is just another person. Just another person who loved their mom and their mom loved them. Just another person who survived some amazing things, who cared about and helped other people.

We are all crazy. And we are also all amazing.


Dwelling on the differences just creates a reason for negativity. We are all just one thing...humans.

I have been plenty judgmental about many things. I am nowhere near perfection. I am dwelling down in Loserville myself.

But I have hopes. And I want us all to, you know, just get along, have some fun, enjoy each other's company.

"Life is very short. And there's no time for fussin' and fighting..."

 
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