We agree. I was only referring to StarSong's statement. You added other useful information & included armed security.Win231 said:
Feel free to offer a better method.
Locked doors, security checkpoints, security passes, metal detectors, and even an armed guard on premises as a last resort are options. The local elementary school that my kids and grandkids attended had the first two options in use long ago. You had to identify yourself and what child you were there to see, be buzzed in, report straight ahead to the office, They had a sign-in book. Your driver's license or photo ID was checked. Your name was checked against the authorized persons for each child. If there was no match, you got no further.
I sent E-Mails to the White House asking for no more manufacturing and selling of semi-automatic weapons to civilians.
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We have to raise taxes on the wealthiest, we have to go back to the tax rates of when we were booming in the '50's. It's ridiculous. It's not the individual schools paying, it's a whole system. They have got to pay up. We're starving ourselves and eating each other while the rich get fat.
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and in addition to the fear of harm, I'm sure that kind of environment on a daily basis isn't good for kids (armed guards, etc.). What then- claim anxiety, depression, etc., are 'mental illnesses' and put them all on drugs?Win231 said:
Feel free to offer a better method.
Locked doors, security checkpoints, security passes, metal detectors, and even an armed guard on premises as a last resort are options. The local elementary school that my kids and grandkids attended had the first two options in use long ago. You had to identify yourself and what child you were there to see, be buzzed in, report straight ahead to the office, They had a sign-in book. Your driver's license or photo ID was checked. Your name was checked against the authorized persons for each child. If there was no match, you got no further.
I think it's better than the alternative.
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So in essence you want to punish folks [ the rich as you put it] for their success ?
If we tax them in an uneven manner, that is exactly what we would do. Where is their ambition , desire to be more succesful , to grow a better company, employ other people to come from if we say just hand over more to the Fed?
Be greatful for the rich ..... you will never be granted a job by a poor person.
If they are paying in conformance with the law ? .... well then , they are doing just like you.
Why should they have to pay a higher percentage ? How'bout a flat tax ? For everyone ?
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Locked doors, security checkpoints, security passes, metal detectors, and even an armed guard on premises as a last resort are options. The local elementary school that my kids and grandkids attended had the first two options in use long ago. You had to identify yourself and what child you were there to see, be buzzed in, report straight ahead to the office, They had a sign-in book. Your driver's license or photo ID was checked. Your name was checked against the authorized persons for each child. If there was no match, you got no further.Feel free to offer a better method.
Kids see cops all the time. Even Fisher-Price toys has an armed police figure. An armed guard is a better option than an armed psycho accessing a school building, in my opinion. And to Win's other point about who do you call when there's a problem at your home and he states that everyone calls the police (who he points out are people with guns) - Yes, however they are supposedly background checked, trained, authorized and paid for by our tax dollars. That's their job.
Yes, police are background checked & trained. So am I.
In CA, I undergo a detailed background check & a 10-day wait for a gun purchase. And fingerprint & records for ammo purchase (though I make my own ammo for most purposes - competition).
I know we were just kids when the moon landing occurred, but how do you think we got there? Eisenhower taxed their asses off. A Republican. If the rich lived with it then, they can live with it now. Hire me? Here you go again. Besides, my husband & I hired ourselves for our own business. We didn't evade taxes or any other responsibilities. I also worked a lot of non profits. The big wigs made good money, but they paid for it too, in personal taxation.
rgp
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Well, I wasn't a kid ..... I was 20 years old, and Eisenhower wasn't in office ..... Nixon was
Now .... if you have some proof of your statements ? Please provide said proof.
What were the tax rates in 1960?
"The top marginal tax rate in 1960 was 91%, which applied to income over $200,000 (for single filers) or $400,000 (for married filers) – thresholds which correspond to approximately $1.5 million and $3 million, respectively, in today's dollars. Approximately 0.00235% of households had income taxed at the top rate.Sep 29, 2011"
Some Historical Tax Stats
https://taxfoundation.org › some-historical-tax-stats
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"The top marginal tax rate in 1960 was 91%, which applied to income over $200,000 (for single filers) or $400,000 (for married filers) – thresholds which correspond to approximately $1.5 million and $3 million, respectively, in today's dollars. Approximately 0.00235% of households had income taxed at the top rate.Sep 29, 2011"
Some Historical Tax Stats
https://taxfoundation.org › some-historical-tax-stats
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rgp
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OK, assuming all of that is correct ...... It was the rate & the law in those years. That is no longer the case. Like i said, if the rich are filing legally @ todays rate & under the law then I have no problem with it.
If you want to change the tax law ? First let me say, good luck .... you're going to have a fight on your hands . Then the really bad part is ...... you will just send more jobs overseas.
rgp
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Yeah Sputnik was in {I believe 1957] .
rgp
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Are Oreos made in Mexico?
Production was moved to Salinas, Mexico. Mondelez decided not to make $120 million in upgrades to their Chicago facility and announced that half of the 1,200 workers at the factory would be laid off.
My point exactly ...... rich folks are not stupid ..... they did not get rich by being stupid.
Like the above ........ someone pressured Mondelez into needing $120 million in upgrades so ......... He moved to where these upgrades are not needed , and stays in business & in profit.
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Hi Lawrence. Last night, I watched the first January 6 (2021) House Select Committee Investigation on the Capitol attack and thought "If a mob like that breached government barriers in most any other country, they would have been gunned down immediately." The armed protesters would have likely returned fire and it would have been an even more horrible episode in US history. https://january6th.house.gov/
Happy Heart
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On Fox yesterday they reported that IRS is stock piling ammunition. Wonder what their plans are for us?
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Actually, Win and @Em in Ohio, the reason schools can't lock doors and gates is because it's illegal to impede students' coming and going. Legally that's defined as wrongful imprisonment. It's also considered a safety hazard, i.e., in case of fire.
Signing in to pick up a student is unrelated.
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Exactly. Schools are not jails.
If they can't have physical barriers to anyone entering or exiting, that leaves security at the entrance. And the only security worth anything is armed security. It goes back to cost.
Guess what country is the most prone to mass shootings & terrorist attacks. How do they protect their students?
| SCHOOL SECURITY IN ISRAEL |
| By: Michael Csere, Legislative Fellow |
Our research indicates that Israel has taken a number of steps to protect schools and students from terrorist attacks and gun violence, with a greater emphasis on the former.
Israeli law currently requires a guard in schools of 100 or more students. These guards are generally employed by private security companies, while the Israel Police (the country's civilian police force) have overall responsibility for guidance, oversight, and control for the entire security system of educational institutions, from kindergartens through universities. The law permits certain individuals to carry firearms in schools.
There has been considerable controversy over the law's funding and implementation, including criticism of the expertise and capability of the guards. While not required to have them, some schools, notably smaller ones, have experienced difficulty funding security guards.
Additionally, the Israeli Ministry of Education has provided funding to (1) construct shelters and fences, (2) add reinforced protection to school buses, (3) hire and train security guards, and (4) provide professional psychological care to treat students' emotional reactions to terrorist attacks. Armed security guards sometimes accompany students on field trips, although it is unclear whether this is currently mandated or how frequently it occurs.
The Ministry has also collaborated with the Israel Police to provide security awareness training elementary-age students. And at least one high school has adopted its own security protocols.
ISRAELI LAW
Security Guards
According to officials at the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem and the Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C., Israeli law currently requires educational institutions with more than 100 students to post a guard. The Security and Emergency Department within the Israel Police has the overall responsibility to provide security for all schools and surrounding areas, while the guards actually stationed at the schools are generally employed by private security companies working with local authorities. The principal of each school oversees the specific security arrangements, and must appoint a designated security aide to assist with these arrangements.
By law, the guard must check the school site 30 minutes before school starts. He or she then checks people and vehicles entering the school and can permit or refuse entry to unauthorized people. The guard is generally stationed at the school entrance and is responsible for security outside the school (but not internal security issues, like fights between students). In the event of actual hostile activity (essentially terrorist in nature), the guard must engage with the attacker or attackers.
In the last Knesset (the Israeli legislature), a bill was introduced authorizing guards to intervene in certain cases inside schools. This was in response to a perceived rise in non-terror-related violent incidents in schools (i.e., fights between students). The proposal failed.
Authorization to Carry Firearms in Schools
The law permits the following people to carry firearms in schools:
1. the guards (provided they are the security company's property and not their own weapons),
2. authorized Education Ministry personnel using ministry firearms,
3. the police, and
4. the army.
According to the U.S. and Israeli embassies, the lawful purposes for carrying firearms are to (1) protect school personnel and students, (2) create a sense of security, (3) deter the ill-intentioned, and (4) provide self-defense. The guard must possess a valid license to carry guns issued by the Ministry of Public Security and the Israel Police. The qualifications of the license holder normally include a high school diploma, clean record, and weapons training. Additionally, strict protocols and guidance exist regarding carrying a weapon and the types of weapons that can be carried.
TEL AVIV -- It's an inescapable fact that school shootings are rare outside the United States, and virtually unheard of in Israel. So, what are the Israelis doing differently?
At one high school in Israel, we saw a typical scene -- an armed guard outside the main entrance. Since 1974 there have only been half a dozen terror attacks on Israeli schools. Principal Nati Stern says there are about 145 teachers at the school, and none are armed with guns.
"We have at least one security guard," Stern said. "I think it provides us with everything we need."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-schools-in-israel-keep-students-safe-and-prevent-mass-shootings/
Murrmurr
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Some schools here in Calif installed metal detectors and a bunch of parents had fits about it.
The metal detectors were eliminated and the state had to eat the cost.
I do agree that armed security is a pretty good idea.
Em in Ohio
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Please don't rat out my local school! (I do know that we could not lock hallway doors in nursing homes.) I don't know how or if they got away with the locked front doors - perhaps our law allows them to be locked and having to buzz-in, like apartment buildings. They are not locked from the inside, so egress in not an issue.