Jayland Walker Killed by at Least 60 Bullets Fired By Police

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News article: Jayland Walker Story

Jayland Walker was gunnned down by 8 police officers and at least 60 to 90 bullets were fired They said he fired a shot out of his car before fleeing his car running while police pursued him. He was initially stopped for a traffic incident.

The family wants answers. Akron, Ohio is under curfew after a night of unlawfulness. There has been an outpouring of support for the family and the police are being condemned for what they did.

This reminds me of another story of a black couple in Cleveland who were shot at over 137 times. That story follows below.

Story:
News Story From Cleveland


This just seems like overkill for one thing and then why do they have to kill people anyway when they disobey the law? I'm sure other things could have been done besides this.
 

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I absolutely believe the police overreacted in this case. 60 to 90 bullets? Supposedly, they tried tasers and they didn't work.

However, I do have to ask myself why he led them on a car chase, then exited the vehicle and ran. None of us can really know what was going through his head at the time. Perhaps he was thinking of some of the black men that have been indiscriminately killed by the police for fairly minor offenses. I would imagine if I were a black man I would have the George Floyd story going through my head any time I was stopped by the police. I guess we will find out more as the story plays out.
 
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I absolutely believe the police overreacted in this case. 60 to 90 bullets? Supposedly, they tried tasers and they didn't work.

However, I do have to ask myself why he led them on a car chase, then exited the vehicle and ran. None of us can really know what was going through his head at the time. Perhaps he was thinking of some of the black men that have been indiscriminately killed by the police for fairly minor offenses. I would imagine if I were a black man I would have the George Floyd story going through my head any time I was stopped by the police. I guess we will find out more as the story plays out.
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Yes, more to come.
 

dseag2 said:
I absolutely believe the police overreacted in this case. 60 to 90 bullets? Supposedly, they tried tasers and they didn't work.

However, I do have to ask myself why he led them on a car chase, then exited the vehicle and ran. None of us can really know what was going through his head at the time. Perhaps he was thinking of some of the black men that have been indiscriminately killed by the police for fairly minor offenses. I would imagine if I were a black man I would have the George Floyd story going through my head any time I was stopped by the police. I guess we will find out more as the story plays out.
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Therefore, the last thing I'd do is grab my gun and shoot at a policeman.
 
Thought I saw one report where this was the second night they tried to catch this guy. He also fired at officers during the final chase from his car. On foot apparently not. But he still had his mask and gloves on. Head movement could indicate what he might do but how much would a mask or hood affect that. Gloves at night seem like a gun. Yes 60 rounds is a lot but one officer fires the rest will automatically fire assuming there is a threat.

There will be new pursuit and when to fire policies coming down the pike
 
Saw that on the news. Let us assume arguendo that deadly force was justified as a premise. If in the minds of the police if Jayland was permitted to escape, he would pose a threat of serious bodily harm or death to others, what do the police think pumping 60+ rounds into an open area is going to do? That posed a FAR greater danger to the public and to the police themselves! Expect a Justice Dept. review and a Major 1983 lawsuit seeking millions. Of course the young man is dead, the Family is devasted, prayers for them! What a horrible sick feeling!
 
This is what I posted in the thread about the Highland Park shooter.
And I must point out that yet again...another White boy gets arrested and will live to stand trial. But a young, unarmed Black man who was running away from cops after a car chase was shot by 8 officers, at least 60 times! Had he killed anyone? NO! Had he shot anyone? NO! Makes me sick!! 🤬

I have a Black son, 4 Black grandsons and several more step-sons and step-grandsons (well one of those looks White). This is something that hurts me, angers me, concerns me and yes, frightens me! It could happen to my "babies"....none of whom are criminals, because it's all too common in this country. I know it won't bring Jayland back and nothing takes the place of your child but I hope the family sues the bazoobas out of the city and wins the case.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
This is what I posted in the thread about the Highland Park shooter.
And I must point out that yet again...another White boy gets arrested and will live to stand trial. But a young, unarmed Black man who was running away from cops after a car chase was shot by 8 officers, at least 60 times! Had he killed anyone? NO! Had he shot anyone? NO! Makes me sick!! 🤬

I have a Black son, 4 Black grandsons and several more step-sons and step-grandsons (well one of those looks White). This is something that hurts me, angers me, concerns me and yes, frightens me! It could happen to my "babies"....none of whom are criminals, because it's all too common in this country. I know it won't bring Jayland back and nothing takes the place of your child but I hope the family sues the bazoobas out of the city and wins the case.
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Very depressing!
 
The headline says Jayland Walker.. makes it look like someone who was walking in a place called Jayland... :unsure: Ruthanne, your link to Buzzfeed is from 2012 and doesn't seem related to the headline..
 
hollydolly said:
The headline says Jayland Walker.. makes it look like someone who was walking in a place called Jayland... :unsure: Ruthanne, your link to Buzzfeed is from 2012 and doesn't seem related to the headline..
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I posted 2 links I believe. One or the first one at the top is the current story. The second link is a story I thought to be similar and yes, it was years ago. I'm going to edit my OP now to make it more comprehendible.
 
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What I can't understand is the series of bad decisions this young man made, which were almost guaranteed to end in his death. Why would he try to flee a traffic stop? Why did he have a loaded gun in his car? Why did he shoot at the police? Why did he put on a ski mask (or whatever it was) and try to flee on foot? Why didn't he just stop running?

My condolences to his family.
 
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Buckeye said:
What I can't understand is the series of bad decisions this young man made, which were almost guaranteed to end his death. Why would he try to flee a traffic stop? Why did he have a loaded gun in his car? Why did he shoot at the police? Why did he put on a ski mask (or whatever it was) and try to flee on foot? Why didn't he just stop running?

My condolences to his family.
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Those sure are thought provoking questions. I'm sure more will be learned and discussed regarding the entire thing or series of events..
 
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Buckeye said:
What I can't understand is the series of bad decisions this young man made, which were almost guaranteed to end in his death. Why would he try to flee a traffic stop? Why did he have a loaded gun in his car? Why did he shoot at the police? Why did he put on a ski mask (or whatever it was) and try to flee on foot? Why didn't he just stop running?

My condolences to his family.
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I agree here.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
This is what I posted in the thread about the Highland Park shooter.
And I must point out that yet again...another White boy gets arrested and will live to stand trial. But a young, unarmed Black man who was running away from cops after a car chase was shot by 8 officers, at least 60 times! Had he killed anyone? NO! Had he shot anyone? NO! Makes me sick!! 🤬

I have a Black son, 4 Black grandsons and several more step-sons and step-grandsons (well one of those looks White). This is something that hurts me, angers me, concerns me and yes, frightens me! It could happen to my "babies"....none of whom are criminals, because it's all too common in this country. I know it won't bring Jayland back and nothing takes the place of your child but I hope the family sues the bazoobas out of the city and wins the case.
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Is there a difference between running away & shooting at police & being arrested as a suspect? The article describes Walker as shooting at police while fleeing in his car & what appears to Walker reaching for a gun as he is running away after exiting his car.

No doubt 60 bullets is way to much and the response to a traffic stop seems unusual so maybe waiting for more facts to be produced would be in the best interest.

My wife is a woman of color , a black daughter in law & black grandson so I understand the concern for their welfare. I also understand that they don't engage in criminal activity to cause police to approach them.
 
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I don't know if it's cultural thing or what-but black guys run from the cops. Whites seem to surrender???? I've seen way too many reality cop shows to know a black guy will try to run from the cops, and make a mad dash to his 'hood', because he knows the area and thinks he can hide from the cops. Of course, the cops are hell bent in not letting the black guy escape. It's almost a video game.
 
Knight said:
Is there a difference between running away & shooting at police & being arrested as a suspect? The article describes Walker as shooting at police while fleeing in his car & what appears to Walker reaching for a gun as he is running away after exiting his car.

No doubt 60 bullets is way to much and the response to a traffic stop seems unusual so maybe waiting for more facts to be produced would be in the best interest.

My wife is a woman of color , a black daughter in law & black grandson so I understand the concern for their welfare. I also understand that they don't engage in criminal activity to cause police to approach them.
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"No doubt 60 bullets is way to much and the response to a traffic stop seems unusual so maybe waiting for more facts to be produced would be in the best interest."

I agree here but ....... Why is 60 too many ? We do not know which one killed him. It might have been #1 or #60 . I think adrenaline kicks in [on part of the police] and that IMO accounts for some of the "overkill" ?
 
rgp said:
"No doubt 60 bullets is way to much and the response to a traffic stop seems unusual so maybe waiting for more facts to be produced would be in the best interest."

I agree here but ....... Why is 60 too many ? We do not know which one killed him. It might have been #1 or #60 . I think adrenaline kicks in [on part of the police] and that IMO accounts for some of the "overkill" ?
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I didn't read that 60 bullets killed him I read 60 were fired. Why it took 60 rounds when the body cams show close proximity IMO should be investigated. Add to that his back was to the officers.

For a traffic stop and possibly being shot at during the pursuit & the suspected use of a gun due to his actions. The use of deadly force sounds reasonable if he had actually turned and fired at them. Otherwise a foot chase by any one of the 8 police officers physically fit enough to chase him would make more sense to me. Even if only one was capable the other 7 could be examining the car for clues to his identity if they didn't already have that info. IMO this is a gross escalation of a situation that ended in death rather than a fine & whatever jail time might be assessed for evading police or maybe having a gun without a permit.

I'll stick by my original post. More facts are needed & an in depth investigation by an outside agency would be my preference.
 
The police were chasing someone they believed, with good reason, to be armed and dangerous since he had already taken a shot at them. When he stopped running, turned, and took an aggressive stance towards the police, they no doubt believed he was about to open fire on them, so they shot him, justifiably. It's kind of irrelevant how many bullets they fired at that point since they probably all opened fire at the same time.
 
SeniorBen said:
The police were chasing someone they believed, with good reason, to be armed and dangerous since he had already taken a shot at them. When he stopped running, turned, and took an aggressive stance towards the police, they no doubt believed he was about to open fire on them, so they shot him, justifiably. It's kind of irrelevant how many bullets they fired at that point since they probably all opened fire at the same time.
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I missed the part in the article where he shot at the police.. I read it as they saw a flash & think he shot at them & thought they heard a gun shot.

I think there is a difference between verifying for a fact that he shot at the police & they think he shot at them. More facts like was the gun they found in the car fired & missing rounds or was it a flash due to a reflection in the drivers side mirror.

I think watching police chases has given me enough insight to question how many chase cars were involved. Were there 4 cars with two officers each or 8 cars with one officer in each? How did they all arrive in time to get out & fire 60 rounds? Did they have to trigger off rounds or did they have automatics that could rapid fire?

So many unknowns that is why I try not to rush to judgement on any article that provides just enough info to sell.
 
SeniorBen said:
The police were chasing someone they believed, with good reason, to be armed and dangerous since he had already taken a shot at them. When he stopped running, turned, and took an aggressive stance towards the police, they no doubt believed he was about to open fire on them, so they shot him, justifiably. It's kind of irrelevant how many bullets they fired at that point since they probably all opened fire at the same time.
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I agree here !
 

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