Jayland Walker Killed by at Least 60 Bullets Fired By Police

If anyone has ever watched the old show COPS or other shows like that ... most bad outcomes whether a taser is used or shots fired etc is when a person often for small reasons decides to run / resist or fight .....
example: young men with suspended license for example ends up running and assaulting an officer a small traffic ticket now can blow up to actual jail time


a person regardless of color or sex ................ running away from a simple traffic stop ... makes cops think ....
what else has this person done ?"
or reaching for anything in car on person etc escalates the issue 1000% percent.......
I think the amount of shots and bullets is over done here but these decisions are made in the heat of the moment with adrenaline pumping and frankly no officer is going to hesitate and give the benefit of doubt ..when they WANT to go home at end of shift....
 

SeniorBen said:
The police were chasing someone they believed, with good reason, to be armed and dangerous since he had already taken a shot at them. When he stopped running, turned, and took an aggressive stance towards the police, they no doubt believed he was about to open fire on them, so they shot him, justifiably. It's kind of irrelevant how many bullets they fired at that point since they probably all opened fire at the same time.
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From this article the op posted
https://abc7chicago.com/jayland-walker-ohio-akron-police/12014790/



Following the news conference, Bobby DiCello, an attorney for Walker's family, said the key fact of the case, which Mylett confirmed, is that Walker was unarmed when he was killed.

Multiple officers are seen in the footage running after Walker, who appeared to look over his shoulder as officers fired their weapons at him.

What the police chief saw

Mylett said he has watched the video at least 40 times and said there are still photos showing Walker appear to reach for his waistband, turn toward officer and move an arm forward.


What the lawyer for the family saw.
DiCello said he saw no evidence in the video he reviewed of Walker posing a threat to the officers.

"Just sprinting away from these men, he is shot as he starts to turn and look over his shoulder," DiCello said.

Both saw Walker with his back to the police that were shooting at him.

Interesting how people can read the same article & come up with a different understanding of what they read.

Nothing in the article proves positively that a shot was fired from Walkers vehicle. Claiming they saw a flash & think they heard a shot still has to be verified.
 
Knight said:
From this article the op posted
https://abc7chicago.com/jayland-walker-ohio-akron-police/12014790/



Following the news conference, Bobby DiCello, an attorney for Walker's family, said the key fact of the case, which Mylett confirmed, is that Walker was unarmed when he was killed.

Multiple officers are seen in the footage running after Walker, who appeared to look over his shoulder as officers fired their weapons at him.

What the police chief saw

Mylett said he has watched the video at least 40 times and said there are still photos showing Walker appear to reach for his waistband, turn toward officer and move an arm forward.


What the lawyer for the family saw.
DiCello said he saw no evidence in the video he reviewed of Walker posing a threat to the officers.

"Just sprinting away from these men, he is shot as he starts to turn and look over his shoulder," DiCello said.

Both saw Walker with his back to the police that were shooting at him.

Interesting how people can read the same article & come up with a different understanding of what they read.

Nothing in the article proves positively that a shot was fired from Walkers vehicle. Claiming they saw a flash & think they heard a shot still has to be verified.
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What the lawyer for the family saw: $$$$$$$$

He stands to make big money if he wins his lawsuit.
 

dseag2 said:
I absolutely believe the police overreacted in this case. 60 to 90 bullets? Supposedly, they tried tasers and they didn't work.

However, I do have to ask myself why he led them on a car chase, then exited the vehicle and ran. None of us can really know what was going through his head at the time. Perhaps he was thinking of some of the black men that have been indiscriminately killed by the police for fairly minor offenses. I would imagine if I were a black man I would have the George Floyd story going through my head any time I was stopped by the police. I guess we will find out more as the story plays out.
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I assume these young black men are terrified of police. What then do they do when that scared? Run, try to get away.
 
Maybe if the police didn't give them a reason to fear for their lives maybe they could just surrender. But after all the men of color (don't give me shit about the phrasing because I'm not up on what is politically correct) that have died to police the last few yrs you can't really blame them. They should have just as much rights to surrender without fear as any "whitey" as the fuzzybuddy so delicately put it. Nobody should have to run from police as a lifesaving mechanism.
 
SeniorBen said:
What the lawyer for the family saw: $$$$$$$$

He stands to make big money if he wins his lawsuit.
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That's why lawyers take cases like this. I have to admit while those officers were not accurate when trying to shoot Walker they at least have superior hearing.
Quote from article
"A second body-camera video recorded officers radioing that they heard at least one shot being fired from Walker's car."

OR
Maybe police chases there are different than other places. No sirens :unsure: Maybe they don't use sirens due to the noise that makes hearing really difficult.
 
Knight said:
I didn't read that 60 bullets killed him I read 60 were fired. Why it took 60 rounds when the body cams show close proximity IMO should be investigated. Add to that his back was to the officers.

For a traffic stop and possibly being shot at during the pursuit & the suspected use of a gun due to his actions. The use of deadly force sounds reasonable if he had actually turned and fired at them. Otherwise a foot chase by any one of the 8 police officers physically fit enough to chase him would make more sense to me. Even if only one was capable the other 7 could be examining the car for clues to his identity if they didn't already have that info. IMO this is a gross escalation of a situation that ended in death rather than a fine & whatever jail time might be assessed for evading police or maybe having a gun without a permit.

I'll stick by my original post. More facts are needed & an in depth investigation by an outside agency would be my preference.
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You didn't read what i said ..... I never said 60 bullets killed him..... The news says 60 rounds were fired , and apparently hit his body [otherwise] how would they know the count ?

What I said was ....... it might have been the first round or the last round #1 or #60 that killed him. And again, it may seem like overkill ? But I believe that when someone is shooting at you .... adrenaline kicks in and that IOM could lead to , [basically] emptying your weapon. Then consider multiple officers doing the same thing ...... and there's your round count . As far as i know, they [the police] in that situation will not stop shooting until the suspect is down.

Loosely related ........ how many rounds did Bonnie & Clyde catch ?
 
MarciKS said:
Maybe if the police didn't give them a reason to fear for their lives maybe they could just surrender. But after all the men of color (don't give me shit about the phrasing because I'm not up on what is politically correct) that have died to police the last few yrs you can't really blame them. They should have just as much rights to surrender without fear as any "whitey" as the fuzzybuddy so delicately put it. Nobody should have to run from police as a lifesaving mechanism.
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He didn't run as a life saving mechanism .......... He ran after shooting at them because he wanted to escape , for reasons of his initial crime.

The single best mechanism to avoid being shot by the police is simply to just behave ...... commit no crime !
 
rgp said:
You didn't read what i said ..... I never said 60 bullets killed him..... The news says 60 rounds were fired , and apparently hit his body [otherwise] how would they know the count ?

What I said was ....... it might have been the first round or the last round #1 or #60 that killed him. And again, it may seem like overkill ? But I believe that when someone is shooting at you .... adrenaline kicks in and that IOM could lead to , [basically] emptying your weapon. Then consider multiple officers doing the same thing ...... and there's your round count . As far as i know, they [the police] in that situation will not stop shooting until the suspect is down.

Loosely related ........ how many rounds did Bonnie & Clyde catch ?
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Police have a bullet count so by checking the amount left in their allotted amount, simple math can determine how many bullets were fired.

I'm kind of stubborn when it comes to reading and explaining what I read. I didn't read where Walker was shooting at police. I read where they think they saw a flash as he was being chased. Then I read where he was running away with his back towards the police chasing him. He turned slightly & police "thought" he was reaching for a gun. Big difference between actually turning to face police, pulling out a gun and firing at police.

They did find a gun in his car. But nothing about did he have it legally or was it fired in the time frame of the chase.
 
mrstime said:
I assume these young black men are terrified of police. What then do they do when that scared? Run, try to get away.
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They commited a crime they are terrfied of incarceration .

In light of all these recent stories ....... The smart black guy would behave ..... but no they think they can get away with it [what-ever their crime] And in their arrogance they think they should be able to.

The second smart black guy if suspected and pulled over would just sit there with his hands on top the steering wheel , like we're all instructed to.

Running from / fighting the police is the dumbest thing anyone can do ......when will they learn.
 
Knight said:
Police have a bullet count so by checking the amount left in their allotted amount, simple math can determine how many bullets were fired.

I'm kind of stubborn when it comes to reading and explaining what I read. I didn't read where Walker was shooting at police. I read where they think they saw a flash as he was being chased. Then I read where he was running away with his back towards the police chasing him. He turned slightly & police "thought" he was reaching for a gun.
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He shot at them from the car . As I heard it , no bullet count was considered ....... bullet holes were. But as already said here ....... let's wait for all the information to come out.

But I will stand by the police ..... they are stopping criminals ..... and criminals prey on us.
 
rgp said:
They commited a crime they are terrfied of incarceration .

In light of all these recent stories ....... The smart black guy would behave ..... but no they think they can get away with it [what-ever their crime] And in their arrogance they think they should be able to.

The second smart black guy if suspected and pulled over would just sit there with his hands on top the steering wheel , like we're all instructed to.

Running from / fighting the police is the dumbest thing anyone can do ......when will they learn.
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As far as the article shows his crime was having a defect in his car that caused a police officer to pull him over. A complete investigation will take place so maybe some unanswered question will be answered.
 
Knight said:
As far as the article shows his crime was having a defect in his car that caused a police officer to pull him over. A complete investigation will take place so maybe some unanswered question will be answered.
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Let us hope ......

But if the current information is even close to accurate ...... why would a person shoot at the police [if he did] and in the first place run for a vehicle infraction ? And please don't tell me it is fear of police ......... That is simply ignorant in light of what is happening today / the news of today.
 
rgp said:
They commited a crime they are terrfied of incarceration .

In light of all these recent stories ....... The smart black guy would behave ..... but no they think they can get away with it [what-ever their crime] And in their arrogance they think they should be able to.

The second smart black guy if suspected and pulled over would just sit there with his hands on top the steering wheel , like we're all instructed to.

Running from / fighting the police is the dumbest thing anyone can do ......when will they learn.
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Funny there was a white guy do the same thing but he is alive today.
 
rgp said:
Let us hope ......

But if the current information is even close to accurate ...... why would a person shoot at the police [if he did] and in the first place run for a vehicle infraction ? And please don't tell me it is fear of police ......... That is simply ignorant in light of what is happening today / the news of today.
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The article & video really doesn't tell us much. Things like how did they hear a shot if sirens were blasting? Was the drivers window up or down? That little detail wasn't clear in the video. Was Walker tested for gun powder residue right away? Was the door sill tested for powder right away? Who did they chase that exited from the passenger side of the car? If it was Walker how did he manage to change sides so quickly since the patrol cars were right behind him? Were any shots to his front? Out of the 60 rounds fired how many actual shots did he have ?
We can speculate all day about why he took off causing the chase. I think both you & I expect the police to do everything in their power to create a safe environment. We also expect accountability no matter how it ends up for all those involved. We might never find out what the decision is or what factual proof is presented.
 
Knight said:
The article & video really doesn't tell us much. Things like how did they hear a shot if sirens were blasting? Was the drivers window up or down? That little detail wasn't clear in the video. Was Walker tested for gun powder residue right away? Was the door sill tested for powder right away? Who did they chase that exited from the passenger side of the car? If it was Walker how did he manage to change sides so quickly since the patrol cars were right behind him? Were any shots to his front? Out of the 60 rounds fired how many actual shots did he have ?
We can speculate all day about why he took off causing the chase. I think both you & I expect the police to do everything in their power to create a safe environment. We also expect accountability no matter how it ends up for all those involved. We might never find out what the decision is or what factual proof is presented.
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"I think both you & I expect the police to do everything in their power to create a safe environment."

Indeed, and if shooting a suspect criminal dead is how they do it ? Because [he] refuses to surrender to arrest. I really do not care.

Remember something ....... these people [criminals] prey on us ....
 
The Attorney General is handling the investigation. This is Akron police first independent investigation.

President Biden also said the Justice Department is investigating.
 
Knight said:
The article & video really doesn't tell us much. Things like how did they hear a shot if sirens were blasting? Was the drivers window up or down? That little detail wasn't clear in the video. Was Walker tested for gun powder residue right away? Was the door sill tested for powder right away? Who did they chase that exited from the passenger side of the car? If it was Walker how did he manage to change sides so quickly since the patrol cars were right behind him? Were any shots to his front? Out of the 60 rounds fired how many actual shots did he have ?
We can speculate all day about why he took off causing the chase. I think both you & I expect the police to do everything in their power to create a safe environment. We also expect accountability no matter how it ends up for all those involved. We might never find out what the decision is or what factual proof is presented.
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The last news I saw stated that the medical examiner reported that Jayland had 60 gunshot wounds and it was reported that as many as 90 shots may have been fired.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
The last news I saw stated that the medical examiner reported that Jayland had 60 gunshot wounds and it was reported that as many as 90 shots may have been fired.
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I don't know what kind of gun that police department uses so for general purposes. I'll guess that a Glock with 15 rounds was that kind. 8x15 = 120. That 90 is only 30 rounds short of the 120. 60 rounds would mean that about 1/2 of the rounds per gun per officer hit Walker.

Then as I understand it they would have to pull the trigger to fire each round. I don't care what kind of crime Walker "might" have done. This man was a human being that in NO STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION WAS GUNNED DOWN.

I'm glad there will be an independent investigation. The Akron police chief already stated that fearing for their lives was the justification for the action taken. As I think about it 8 officers shooting at Walker while he is running away, fear him?

One word

BULLSHIT
 
Again, I think there's more to the back story than we are being told. Was is really a routine traffic stop for a missing brake light, etc, or was there another reason he was being stopped? Why was young Mr. Walker so threatened by the traffic stop? Lot's of unanswered questions.

I think the LEOs all did what the thought they had to do in the few seconds they had to act/react. But I also mourn for Jayland Walker.
 
rgp said:
"I think both you & I expect the police to do everything in their power to create a safe environment."

Indeed, and if shooting a suspect criminal dead is how they do it ? Because [he] refuses to surrender to arrest. I really do not care.

Remember something ....... these people [criminals] prey on us ....
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Everyone has rights, too. He did not deserve what he got no matter how insensitive your comment. Criminals deserve a trial and not to be gunned down by 8 cops. It could have been you too! Criminal seems to me to be a word you use to do anything to a suspect. I'm sure Jayland had a lot of good qualities like we all do. He acted wrong but what the police did still is wrong in my book!
 

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