Why are young men in crisis?

dseag2

dseag2

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I just watched a segment on Bill Maher (yes, I know) in which his panelists talked about the reason so many young men are so angry and possibly becoming domestic terrorists. I posted a while back about how I didn't understand why so many 20-something men were involved in shootings, etc. so I thought this was insightful...

 

Thank you for posting this. I wrote a long reply but deleted it before posting. Instead, I read some of the YouTube comments. Pretty interesting.
 

I don't l like Bill Maher much and did not like this performance. Yes, I do think technology is a problem. I also think that the male viewpoint bringing it down to sex ie. tinder is disgusting. The morals of our young people are at a low point. What happened to meeting someone at church, at school dances, at parties. What happened to parents teaching their children about acceptable behavior, treating one another with respect, getting to know one another before engaging in behavior that is meant for the person you love, a person you see as a potential life partner.

Yes, I know I am old fashioned in some ways. I taught the old fashioned beliefs, but I was not stupid. I also taught my child about safe sex and put a box of condoms in his room. I taught him that the decisions he might make would be very important in his future. In the end, some of it is not having guidance in the informative years. They need to know that they have someone to talk to, what happened today, is not what their life will be in the future. To have a safe place to fall in times of doubt, confusion and challenges. I expect I will have talks of this nature as a grandparent, I see it as a responsibility of any person that is charged with the love and care of a teenager, young adult.

Lastly, our young people have some misconceptions about the true life of an adult. Everything does not come easy. You have to work hard in school and in employment. You have to save and sacrifice to have the material things you want. The media puts this crap out there you can be a you tube personality, be beautiful or handsome physically, have great style and you will be a millionare. I only know a few millionaires and they all got there by hard work, the old fashioned way.
 
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I don't l like Bill Maher much and did not like this performance. Yes, I do think technology is a problem. I also think that the male viewpoint bringing it down to sex ie. tinder is disgusting. The morals of our young people are at a low point. What happened to meeting someone at church, at school dances, at parties. What happened to parents teaching their children about acceptable behavior, treating one another with respect, getting to know one another before engaging in behavior that is meant for the person you love, a person you see as a potential life partner.

Yes, I know I am old fashioned in some ways. I taught the old fashioned beliefs, but I was not stupid. I also taught my child about safe sex and put a box of condoms in his room. I taught him that the decisions he might make would be very important in his future. In the end, some of it is not having guidance in the informative years. They need to know that they have someone to talk to, what happened today, is not what their life will be in the future. To have a safe place to fall in times of doubt, confusion and challenges. I expect I will have talks of this nature as a grandparent, I see it as a responsibility of any person that is charged with the love and care of a teenager, young adult.

Lastly, our young people have some misconceptions about the true life of an adult. Everything does not come easy. You have to work hard in school and in employment. You have to save and sacrifice to have the material things you want. The media puts this crap out there you can be a you tube personality, be beautiful or handsome physically, have great style and you will be a millionare. I only know a few millionaires and they all got there by hard work, the old fashioned way.
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I can agree with what Bill Maher's panelists said and with your input as well, which is what makes this a great place to live. I love that you are old fashioned. I agree with many of your points. You have clearly been a great mother to your kiddos.(y)
 
To be honest, I have no idea what young men go through these days. I've always assumed things hadn't changed that much since I was young. You hang out with people and meet women through friends and at parties. That's the process where you have the best chance of meeting someone decent, or that's how it seems to me. Or people fix you up with friends or relatives. You double date or just get to know women by hanging out with other people. And then one night, you wind up in the sack.

Do young people not hang out any more and have parties? Is it strictly online socialization now? I did the online dating thing back in the early 2000s. The method I described above is far more conducive to finding a companion.

Maybe people don't hang out like we used to. With the internet, there's always something going on, but most of it consists of meaningless activities such as posting in an online forum. :ROFLMAO: Before the internet (Should there be a designation of BTI and ATI for before the internet and after the internet?) people had to go other people's houses to hang out where we'd listen to music and party, or work on cars or whatever), but it involved in-person contact. Don't young people do that anymore? Have things really changed that much?
 
Agree with all he briefly spoke about. I've never used Internet dating that I generally view as a manipulated cesspool full of land mines. Another issue caused by Wall Street and its Ivy League elites that are the biggest drivers in our essentially open US border policies for the sake of keeping wages low, creating an endlessly growing retail market, and keeping pressure on supply and demand housing costs, is letting into the USA from across the world, a mix of people and their cultures especially excessive numbers of poor ignorant indigenous peoples, from A to Z, many of which are at a huge disadvantage competing with natives at cultural levels. And then of course expecting that was not going to create societal frictions for the sake of inane diversity narratives they use to deflect from their actual $$$ agendas.

He didn't even mention another Internet era facet that is warping the behaviors because it is too controversial. The online pornography epidemic.

  • Men admitting to accessing pornography at work: 20%
  • U.S. adults who regularly visit Internet pornography websites: 40 million
  • Christians who said pornography is a major problem in the home: 47%
  • Adults admitting to Internet pornography addiction: 10%
  • Over one-third of all visitors to pornographic websites are women
  • Most sex offenders started out as pornography addicts
  • Pornography plays a significant role in over 50% of all divorces
  • Average age of a child’s first exposure to Internet pornography: 8
  • 80% of 15 – 17-year-olds have had multiple exposures to hard-core porn
  • 89% of all solicitations of youths in chat rooms are sexual
  • 29% of 7 – 17-year-olds would freely give out their addresses online
  • Largest population of Internet pornography users: 12 – 17-year-olds.
 
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I have found that the grocery store is a great place to meet women. We have reached a point with our technology that surpasses the speed at which the human brain can comprehend the results of said technology. In the time it takes to adjust to new technology it is obsolete and has been replaced by the new improved version. JMO
 
dseag2 said:
I just watched a segment on Bill Maher (yes, I know) in which his panelists talked about the reason so many young men are so angry and possibly becoming domestic terrorists. I posted a while back about how I didn't understand why so many 20-something men were involved in shootings, etc. so I thought this was insightful...

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Very on the mark. I see it a lot wherever I go. It's sad. But the girls are just as bad.
 
Gary O' said:
Man!
You were a cool mom!
I had to get my own condom
Of which I carried around in my billfold, showing it to my buds
..... until it finally rotted into an undefinable glob.
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No, my son would not say that! I was just an aware Mom. Young people are young people, it is up to us to prepare them and up to them to understand and make wise choices Trust me, there were challenges! Overall I think we did pretty well. His Dad got sick when he was 17 and passed at 22. Those are crucial young years when a young man needs his Dad.
 
"What happened to meeting someone at church, at school dances, at parties."

I couldn't have agreed more with your whole post, but the line above struck a chord with me. It's how I met my first girlfriend. At a high school dance. If I hadn't been such a jerk, I may have married her. I have regretted my actions everyday since.
 
David777 said:
Agree with all he briefly spoke about. I've never used Internet dating that I generally view as a manipulated cesspool full of land mines. Another issue caused by Wall Street and its Ivy League elites that are the biggest drivers in our essentially open US border policies for the sake of keeping wages low, creating an endlessly growing retail market, and keeping pressure on supply and demand housing costs, is letting into the USA from across the world, a mix of people and their cultures especially excessive numbers of poor ignorant indigenous peoples, from A to Z, many of which are at a huge disadvantage competing with natives at cultural levels. And then of course expecting that was not going to create societal frictions for the sake of inane diversity narratives they use to deflect from their actual $$$ agendas.

He didn't even mention another Internet era facet that is warping the behaviors because it is too controversial. The online pornography epidemic.

  • Men admitting to accessing pornography at work: 20%
  • U.S. adults who regularly visit Internet pornography websites: 40 million
  • Christians who said pornography is a major problem in the home: 47%
  • Adults admitting to Internet pornography addiction: 10%
  • Over one-third of all visitors to pornographic websites are women
  • Most sex offenders started out as pornography addicts
  • Pornography plays a significant role in over 50% of all divorces
  • Average age of a child’s first exposure to Internet pornography: 8
  • 80% of 15 – 17-year-olds have had multiple exposures to hard-core porn
  • 89% of all solicitations of youths in chat rooms are ******
  • 29% of 7 – 17-year-olds would freely give out their addresses online
  • Largest population of Internet pornography users: 12 – 17-year-olds.
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And its not just on the internet. Its in all the movies and all over the TV too.
 
"What's wrong with kids, today?" They have been saying that since we were swinging around in trees. Today, the vast majority of males lead normal, non-terrorist lives. There have always been a few men, who went against the norm. But, there are 7-8 billion of us running around, so, a few seems like many. I doubt a couple of armchair "psychologists", on a TV show can offer anything more than an opinion on the complexities of the human mind, and terrorism. We simply do not understand enough to separate fact from supposition. It is still a guess as to how we form "motives" such as terrorism. It does seem that people need to be well cared for, appreciated, and cultivated from birth to become civilized adults.
 
dseag2 said:
I can agree with what Bill Maher's panelists said and with your input as well, which is what makes this a great place to live. I love that you are old fashioned. I agree with many of your points. You have clearly been a great mother to your kiddos.(y)
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Ditto. There is nothing wrong with old fashioned, especially if the only other choice is to follow current trends with nothing to compare them to.
 
SeniorBen said:
To be honest, I have no idea what young men go through these days. I've always assumed things hadn't changed that much since I was young. You hang out with people and meet women through friends and at parties. That's the process where you have the best chance of meeting someone decent, or that's how it seems to me. Or people fix you up with friends or relatives. You double date or just get to know women by hanging out with other people. And then one night, you wind up in the sack.

Do young people not hang out any more and have parties? Is it strictly online socialization now? I did the online dating thing back in the early 2000s. The method I described above is far more conducive to finding a companion.

Maybe people don't hang out like we used to. With the internet, there's always something going on, but most of it consists of meaningless activities such as posting in an online forum. :ROFLMAO: Before the internet (Should there be a designation of BTI and ATI for before the internet and after the internet?) people had to go other people's houses to hang out where we'd listen to music and party, or work on cars or whatever), but it involved in-person contact. Don't young people do that anymore? Have things really changed that much?
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Valid points! I am not in the loop as much as when younger, but I too wonder how the younger generation socializes nowadays. In my younger years it was all about disco, lol. But I met people by going out dancing. Later, there were church and work acquaintences, who offered to fix me up with someone.
 
dseag2 said:
I just watched a segment on Bill Maher (yes, I know) in which his panelists talked about the reason so many young men are so angry and possibly becoming domestic terrorists. I posted a while back about how I didn't understand why so many 20-something men were involved in shootings, etc. so I thought this was insightful...
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This is a very timely topic, and is a growing life or death problem in our society. As mentioned in the video, many young males are in situations where they are lonely, unattached and just not valued. Males are more likely to get trapped inside their own head, they need direct guidance or else they go down the rabbit hole. Or, join up with other aimless young males to share in no-so-positive ways to expend pent up feelings.

BTW Bill Maher is brilliant and doesn't suffer fools. ;)

Paco Dennis said:
The young men our society is raising will fit in nicely with being in the military. The future is becoming more violent because the people have lost any purpose for living.
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I've long thought that the active military draft should be reinstated, to give young people an opportunity to serve their country, and derive that sense of self worth, not to mention gain an appreciation for encountering a broader variety of people. IMO this "lone wolf" shooter / mass murderer phenomena has grown exponentially since the end of the draft.
Edit: reinstating the draft would also reduce the student loan debt load....
2nd Edit: I'd like to modify what I previously said- "active military draft should be reinstated", let's change that to "public service", as I really don't want our youth being used as cannon fodder for some future military adventure. For those entering the military- that's what you signed up for, more power to you.
 
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Nathan said:
I've long thought that the active military draft should be reinstated, to give young people an opportunity to serve their country, and derive that sense of self worth, not to mention gain an appreciation for encountering a broader variety of people. IMO this "lone wolf" shooter / mass murderer phenomena has grown exponentially since the end of the draft.
Edit: reinstating the draft would also reduce the student loan debt load....
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Or we could do as other countries (Israel for one, I think) do, having a national service in which almost all young people need to serve; if memory serves the way Israel does it: if a person has a religious reason for not wanting to serve in the military, they're stationed out in the desert working on irrigation systems for their service term.
 
officerripley said:
Or we could do as other countries (Israel for one, I think) do, having a national service in which almost all young people need to serve; if memory serves the way Israel does it: if a person has a religious reason for not wanting to serve in the military, they're stationed out in the desert working on irrigation systems for their service term.
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That sounds great!
 
carouselsilver said:
That sounds great!
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Yes it does. Back in the day I had graduated from college. Faced with the draft I wasn‘t great employment material, so I enlisted and applied for OCS. Best 5 years of my life. Literally saw the world and supervised as many as 60 men. In the wake of that, finding a job was not a problem. Great way to begin a civilian life of employment.
 

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