While America is freezing...

I did send out my email to this Antarctica person. Be interested in the response.

Keep in mind that many of those folks work for the government and like the wages they get. If the government supports melting I think they will try to support their paymaster if possible.
 

I refuse to believe that scientists are that malleable.

In any case, our government does not support melting.
Our PM thinks climate change is crap.
He has defunded the Climate Change Commission that was meant to be an advisory body for government and abolished the emissions trading scheme established by the previous government.

Now they are defunding research bodies, including the CSIRO.
We are losing all kinds of scientists right, left and centre,
so I don't think that they are about to tell lies for this or any other government.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
I refuse to believe that scientists are that malleable.

In any case, our government does not support melting.
Our PM thinks climate change is crap.
He has defunded the Climate Change Commission that was meant to be an advisory body for government and abolished the emissions trading scheme established by the previous government.

Now they are defunding research bodies, including the CSIRO.
We are losing all kinds of scientists right, left and centre,
so I don't think that they are about to tell lies for this or any other government.
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The US government never went for the UN IPCC stuff prior to the current government. Not in Clinton's day or Bush's times. We did have a strange VP that insisted we had to buy into his security system that would make our businesses and lives OK. I think that has all faded away now. I know his wife faded away from him.

Well, I did write to someone that had worked there, not sure about how recently so will have to wait till I get a response or find some of the contrary places that do post for or against climate change for about 15 years now.

Have a good evening and good sleep. This topic is not something to lose sleep over.
 

Still no response from my Antarctica person. So still waiting. I may have to write to another person to find if she is down there now, or if she even does that work any more.

Here is another recent post about global warming.

http://www.newsmax.com/MKTNews/global-warming-hoax-facts/2014/10/17/id/601458/

Tuesday March 17, 2015

New Reports: There Is No Global Warming


Monday, 16 Mar 2015 10:20 PM


The liberal media machine has spent decades bulldozing anyone who tells you global warming is a sham.

They even came up with a clever little title — “deniers.”

Every time a heat wave hits, every time a picture of a lone polar bear gets taken . . . the left pounds the table for environmental reform, more policy, more money to combat climate change. But how much has the world really warmed?

Their message is simple: Get on the man-made global warming bandwagon . . . or you’re just ignorant.

But how much has the world really warmed?

It’s an important question, considering the U.S. government spends $22 billion a year to fight the global warming crisis (twice as much as it spends protecting our border).

To put that in perspective, that is $41,856 every minute going to global warming initiatives.

But that's just the tip of a gargantuan iceberg.

(and more to read)
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Josiah said:
I've been astonished at how rapidly wind and solar have been gaining market share in the US. In part it has been encouraged by tax incentives but of course the government has been giving all the fossil fuel producers tax incentives for years and years. Two things loom ahead that might slow down the increase in renewables, first the sharp decline in the price of fossil fuels and second a possible Republican victory in 2016. Despite these possible roadblocks I think we have finally reached an inflection point in the country's attitude about global warming, at least I haven't seen any Drill Baby Drill bumper stickers lately. I really wish the media would start publicizing the really impressive advancements that Germany has achieved in moving from fossil to renewable energy sources.
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Here in Iowa around 1/3 of our electricity is generated by wind. At my home about 70% of the electricity we use comes from local wind power, and Iowa enjoys some of the lowest electric rates in the country. The Rock Island Clean Line (which I support) will make Iowa a net energy exporter, and provide not only good paying, permanent jobs, but significant landowner royalties as well as increased property tax revenues. We're already discussing how we can reduce homeowner property taxes if the clean line is approved. Germany isn't the only one making serious headway into clean, renewable energy.

And wind power in Iowa has the full support of the republican governor, both republican and democrat senators/legislators, MidAmerican Energy, and virtually every county supervisor I know regardless of party affiliation.
 
Bob, the opening paragraphs of that article demonstrate that the focus is not on science but on a particular political opinion.

This is what I'm referring to

The liberal media machine has spent decades bulldozing anyone who tells you global warming is a sham.

They even came up with a clever little title — “deniers.”

Every time a heat wave hits, every time a picture of a lone polar bear gets taken . . . the left pounds the table for environmental reform, more policy, more money to combat climate change. But how much has the world really warmed?

Their message is simple: Get on the man-made global warming bandwagon . . . or you’re just ignorant.

But how much has the world really warmed?

It’s an important question, considering the U.S. government spends $22 billion a year to fight the global warming crisis (twice as much as it spends protecting our border).

To put that in perspective, that is $41,856 every minute going to global warming initiatives.
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Now for the science. The chart does not say what temperatures are being measured By clicking on it to the source article I read this:

The reality is this: The world is 1.08 degrees cooler than it was in 1998.
Just take a look at this chart from Remote Sensing Systems, which provides data to NASA, NOAA, and other scientific organizations.
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However, unless we have an explanation of what the temperature values are ('the world' is a little too imprecise for my liking) and how they are arrived at, I cannot possibly accept the proposition that "the world is getting cooler". Average data of air temperatures at ground level indicates that records have been broken very frequently since 2000. In fact 14 of the 15 hottest years recorded have all been in the 21st century. (ref http://www.unaavictoria.org.au/news...-as-global-warming-continues-un-agency-warns/)


Another source provides this temperature anomaly graph that clearly shows an ongoing trend towards warming. It would appear that NASA and NOAA don't agree that the world is cooling. Neither do the Japanese or the British.
Warming trend.jpg

Source:http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=85083
 
Political opinions in the trash and scientific predictions, just that, predictions, we can learn a lot from historic fact.

The earth has been warming, the ice melting, and the oceans rising since the last ice age. Many civilizations that came along during that 15,000 year period, as many today, have built major cities along the coasts. In recent years the remnants many such ancient cities have been discovered in many parts of the world offshore along coasts under varying depths of water. There have been several ice ages in earth's history and of course followed by GLOBAL WARMING. It was not and will not be, the end of civilization. How much of the land mass might be under water from this GLOBAL WARMING period will depend on how long it lasts until the next cooling period which could lead to another ice age. Scientists were predicting a new ice age less than fifty years ago.

Yes, GLOBAL WARMING is happening, and has been happening for 15,000 years or so. Did humans contribute to it in the past? NO! Are humans contributing to it now? NOT MUCH if any.

If it worries you, sell you house by the sea and move to higher ground.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Hard to do if you are a resident of Vanuatu. I guess all of the countries that live around the Pacific rim will just have to move over to allow the displaced islanders some lebensraum.
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Yes, that's the way it works. Some of the ancient cities were on islands that no longer exist. Places such as Vanuatu, the Maldives and other low lying areas were on much higher ground during the last ice age. Things change. Those who adapt to change best are the ones who survive.
 
So, if we can't do anything about the global warming, can we at least facilitate the relocation of the islanders to America and Australia where presumably there will be plenty of dry land? You'll have more of it because Oz is rather flat.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
So, if we can't do anything about the global warming, can we at least facilitate the relocation of the islanders to America and Australia where presumably there will be plenty of dry land? You'll have more of it because Oz is rather flat.
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Sure, send them to America. Canada would be a great place since they are the American country that has a large amount of land that is thinly populated. It may be cold now but It's sure to get much warmer soon.
 
I'm delighted to hear from you. I'll get back with you with more soon. Kate just got back from her fifth season working in Antartica. Marty has been there 4 times. It's become a family addiction!
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Warrigal, this is the person I said I would try to connect to. Still waiting for some time from her for questions and answers. She, and both of her kids, daughter and son, are all college grads and not fools or being kidded by nonsense, I hope. Meaning that I don't think any of them are political in how they think about Antartica. We will see when she does have time to exchange notes. If she is still spending time in Antarctica it will likely be 10 years now. And as she pointed out her kids have done 4 and 5 years also.

Right now I am a great skeptic of lots of this global warming fear and what a couple have posted above, really fits my idea than anything we have created in recent years. A few years back a lot of stuff was started and many of those ideas were found to be faulted or modified data points. I have comments from a UN IPCC group that once said it was nothing yet that can be proved. I think too much of this fear stuff is mostly driven by political efforts than by real scientific groups. We have two groups battling this idea. One says global warming and the other say not so.

I hope this person responds soon.
 
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In the mean time, here are a couple of older articles to read that think warming is not happening.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/03/08/wheres_global_warming/


Where's global warming?
By Jeff Jacoby
Globe Columnist / March 8, 2009


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The United States has shivered through an unusually severe winter, with snow falling in such unlikely destinations as New Orleans, Las Vegas, Alabama, and Georgia. On Dec. 25, every Canadian province woke up to a white Christmas, something that hadn't happened in 37 years. Earlier this year, Europe was gripped by such a killing cold wave that trains were shut down in the French Riviera and chimpanzees in the Rome Zoo had to be plied with hot tea. Last week, satellite data showed three of the Great Lakes - Erie, Superior, and Huron - almost completely frozen over. In Washington, D.C., what was supposed to be a massive rally against global warming was upstaged by the heaviest snowfall of the season, which paralyzed the capital.


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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html




Climate facts to warm to


Christopher Pearson | March 22, 2008


CATASTROPHIC predictions of global warming usually conjure with the notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.
Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint, Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril.


Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth stillwarming?"


She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."


Duffy: "Is this a matter of any controversy?"


Marohasy: "Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognises that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have plateaued ... This is not what you'd expect, as I said, because if carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you'd expect that, given carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures should be going up ... So (it's) very unexpected, not something that's being discussed. It should be being discussed, though, because it's very significant."
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Unfortunately the Australian link won't open now. It did years back when I copied and saved it. Don't know why it won't open now.
 
Bob, one of the principles of science is that when new evidence is unearthed, older conclusions are sometimes invalidated. That's why I'm not too interested in looking at older articles, especially if I think that they are politically motivated. I'm interested in the latest data because the methods of observation/investigation are continually improving and becoming more sophisticated.
 
Warming is definitely political as it was a nothing topic till Clinton and Gore were around. Even then it was mostly Gore and not Clinton. Then more right leaning folks took over and there was nothing about warming for 8 years, then the left returned and since then we always hear about warming up. But we never really see any proofs of those warm times and we do have some rather extensive winters now. That chart you posted showed one degree in over 100 years. Maybe another 1 degree in the next 100 years before it starts down again. Who knows?
 
One degree Celsius on average over the whole planet represents a lot of heat build up in the system.
That is why weather patterns are becoming more violent. We still have time to reverse the trend but there is a point of no return looming. After that things will get really crazy.

My advice - ignore the politicians unless they are listening to the best scientists who are working in this or related fields. Also ignore big business who are protecting their short term profits without regard for the greater good.
 
Warrigal, your warning to ignore the politicians should be what you should be doing. Far too much of what some consider to be scientist are just those likely wanting to keep their jobs so they preach and emphasize what their bosses want to hear. We also have a lot of scientist that do not bend to government wishes as they really do prefer to be scientist and not the fools of politicians as far too many are doing.

If we really were warming as some folks claim, why are we having so many really cold winters. Winters like in 2008, the items I posted earlier, and this year again where most of the US has been having exceptional cold, deep snows of record numbers, and it has been for much of the winter season.
 
Bob, we are certainly not having record cold Winters down here.

I don't know the answer to your question but it has been explained by others. It has something to do with changed conditions shifting the location of the polar vortex, whatever that is.

What is a polar vortex?

A polar vortex is a system of upper-level winds that circle around one of the poles. Such circumpolar wind systems exist most of the time at both the North and South Poles, but they can change in strength depending on season and also special atmospheric conditions. They surround and help to define the coldest regions on earth, and in popular accounts the term polar vortex is often applied to the cold polar air mass itself. In the northern hemisphere, the arctic polar vortex interacts extensively with the polar jet stream and may affect weather patterns at mid-latitudes.

When the arctic polar vortex is strong, it actually acts to contain the coldest air masses in the polar regions favoring periods of milder winter temperatures in northern North America, Europe and Asia. When the winds of the polar vortex weaken, however, or interact with high-amplitude wave patterns in the jet stream, the shape of the vortex may become distorted. It’s circulation pattern around the pole may become increasingly asymmetrical, elongated and, in more extreme cases, may even split into two or more patterns. When this happens large incursions of arctic air may follow southward pointing lobes of the jet stream into mid-latitudes causing a period of colder than normal winter temperatures.

There is intense interest in whether climate change is affecting the pattern of the polar vortex and winter cold snaps. Many climate scientists believe that natural variations in the climate system are sufficient to explain the frequency of cold spells in recent years. Others suggest these weather phenomena could be influenced by climate change due to the ongoing decreases in arctic sea ice and the faster rate of temperature increase in the arctic compared to lower latitudes. This is an area of intense current research and considerable concern.

http://climatechange.cornell.edu/what-is-a-polar-vortex/
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As I read that it is still lots of science and not much decisions about what is going on.

Now the type of vortex I am talking about is the one sided push for global warming, far left folks; while others are not pushing so hard and are more into just wobbling temps as temps so often to go. Much more time than left for me before we really know if we are actually warming or cooling. One degree Centigrade over a 100 year time frame is not very much at all. It could all be washed out with cooling in a short time, maybe another 100 years.

Nothing has been proven yet.
 
One degree Centigrade over a 100 year time frame is not very much at all. It could all be washed out with cooling in a short time, maybe another 100 years.
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Exactly. It's still not too late to turn it around.
But there will come a time when any efforts we may make will be entirely fruitless.
 
OK Warrigal, there is nothing to turn around at all. It will take a lot more time and less political nonsense to get beyond this global warming or not stuff. At one point it was obvious that a lot of the global warming stuff was pure lies and distortions at the UN meetings and also at one of the English places. Data had been made up and distorted to fit someones idea of what needed to be reported and did so and ignored the real data.

At least now it seems that the UN bunch have published that they do not do the data, that is up to the national members.

Something I just found out. One person I liked in the UN group has retired. I liked him as he is the one who wrote the letter that he was not saying the earth suffered from global warming. It was just certain of the reporting scientist that claimed that. I was looking for the letter he wrote saying that when I found his retirement letter of February 24, 2015. I will continue to look for his letter.

Here is his letter.

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/ar5/150224_pachauri_letter.pdf
 
I know that a lot of things that change in our environment are being changed by what "man/woman" does, but also, if we go back far enough, the Earth is really an ever-changing planet, not all caused by man. It doesn't surprise me, maybe it should scare me if I think of a particular Twilight Zone episode where this gal was living in an apartment in NY City, dying of the heat, the planet I mean, was being "cooked to death" by the Sun. Then she wakes up, realizes she was dreaming, and finds that the planet is actually freezing, or was it the other way around.

All the more reason to enjoy life while we have the chance;)
 

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