Canadian Supreme Court ruled that Police can use computer websites to lure pedophiles

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The Canadian Supreme Court in a 9 to zero ruling, has affirmed that the York Regional Police Service acted within the law, when they set up Operation Raphael to lure adults to a website called Back Door, that has numerous ads promising sex with young people. The Police officers pretended to be teenagers online, and they were able, over a period of several months, to arrest a total of 106 men who showed up at a local hotel, thinking they were going to have sex with a 14 year old girl.

All of them were charged with various criminal offences by York Regional Police, and later convicted in court. One man, took his guilty conviction all the way to the highest appeal court in Canada, the Supreme Court of Canada . The decision by the 9 Justices was unanimous. Guilty as charged, and this ruling now become case law in Canada, establishing that such undercover investigations are legal in all parts of Canada, in the future.

Here is a link to the original media article. Luring pedophiles through fake online ads is not entrapment, Supreme Court says | CBC News

IN my personal opinion, this sets the stage for many more such investigations across the country. Well done YRP, whose motto is
Deeds not words ". JImB.
 
They are legally sanctioned here too. Dateline worked in tandem with a private agency to "Catch a Predator". It is expensive for police to run them so they work with others, but are still permitted to run them alone legally. This man had no babysitter, so he took his son with him on his mission of conquest.

 
mrstime said:
I'm mostly against the death penalty, however I believe in the DP for child molesters!
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Really? Then you don’t understand the situation.

Are you aware that a lot of “child molesters” are children? Children, who are molested, grow up to molest children, except sometimes the molestation starts when they are children.

The ten year old repeatedly molested child who molested his friends 2 year old sister, for example. Do you put the 10 year old to death? Course now we have a 2 year old molester who interacts with her/his childhood playmate. Do you put the 2 year old to death?

What about the retarded man or woman, molested since childhood who molests a stranger? Is he/she put to death? Are you aware that most mentally retarded people are not allowed normal desires/relationships with the opposite sex? Such repression can and does lead to problems.

Molestation is a complicated social problem. There is no reason for the death penalty.
 
ohioboy said:
I understand what you mean, but that is unconstitutional in the U.S.
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Question———If a pedophile crosses state lines to get at the child and then kills the child, isn’t that a federal crime and the death penalty could be handed down, regardless of whether that state had the death penalty or not?
 
ohioboy said:
I understand what you mean, but that is unconstitutional in the U.S.
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No it is not. Plenty still being executed in some states. It may no longer be a punishment choice in some states but even then a new law could reverse such.

Not a fan of ACLU. I'd like to see police be able to bait criminals in many other ways. For instance auto theft.
 
Been There said:
Question———If a pedophile crosses state lines to get at the child and then kills the child, isn’t that a federal crime and the death penalty could be handed down, regardless of whether that state had the death penalty or not?
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This example involves kidnapping and murder, the molestation would be a minor crime in comparison
 
Been There said:
Question———If a pedophile crosses state lines to get at the child and then kills the child, isn’t that a federal crime and the death penalty could be handed down, regardless of whether that state had the death penalty or not?
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I would have to check the U.S. Code to see if that is a Capital offense. If it is, State law is moot.
 
David777 said:
No it is not. Plenty still being executed in some states. It may no longer be a punishment choice in some states but even then a new law could reverse such.

Not a fan of ACLU. I'd like to see police be able to bait criminals in many other ways. For instance auto theft.
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I was referring to the death penalty for child molesters/rapists, that is Unconstitutional.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Really? Then you don’t understand the situation.

Are you aware that a lot of “child molesters” are children? Children, who are molested, grow up to molest children, except sometimes the molestation starts when they are children.

The ten year old repeatedly molested child who molested his friends 2 year old sister, for example. Do you put the 10 year old to death? Course now we have a 2 year old molester who interacts with her/his childhood playmate. Do you put the 2 year old to death?

What about the retarded man or woman, molested since childhood who molests a stranger? Is he/she put to death? Are you aware that most mentally retarded people are not allowed normal desires/relationships with the opposite sex? Such repression can and does lead to problems.

Molestation is a complicated social problem. There is no reason for the death penalty.
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I'm not going to say what I think about that post. I obviously am talking about adults who take a child's innocence.
 
Police in Australia trap paedophiles by posing as minors over the internet.

They have also been able, working with other countries, to rescue very young children from creators of child pornography. Some were little more than babies.

Project Spade began in Toronto and covered 50 countries.

2013 International child pornography investigation​

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Project Spade, an international police investigation into child pornography, began in October 2010 in Toronto, Canada. The investigation started when Toronto Police Service officers made on-line contact with a man who was alleged to have been sharing pornographic videos via the Internet and by mail. The investigation eventually covered over 50 countries. 348 people were arrested internationally, and 386 children were said to have been rescued. The primary producers were Igor Rusanov and Andrey Ivanov in Crimea, Ukraine, Markus Roth in Romania, and Paul Kruger in Germany.[1]

Following numerous complaints received by the website cybertip.ca about Azov Films,[2] the investigation began in October 2010 when undercover police made online contact with Brian Way, a 42-year-old man from Toronto[3] and the owner of Toronto-based Azov Films, a firm that distributed DVDs and streaming videos of naked children which it marketed as "naturist."[4][5]

In May 2011 Way's home and office were raided, and he was arrested.[3] Toronto law enforcement authorities and the U.S. Postal Inspection Service recreated Way's customer records and shared them with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and Interpol. Investigations involved more than 50 countries.[3] Way is alleged to have earned more than $4 million from his website.[6]

Apart from Canada, Australia and the United States, authorities in Hong Kong, South Africa, Spain and Sweden were involved.[6] Investigations also spread to Greece, Ireland, New Zealand, and Norway.[7]

The Canadian arm of the operation was "Project Spade", in Australia it was "Operation Thunderer".[6] Up to 45 terabytes of images and videos were seized.[3]

Inspector Joanna Beaven-Desjardins, of the TPS' Sex Crimes Unit, said, "It's a first for the magnitude of the victims saved" and "the amount of arrests internationally, also a first."[3] Beaven-Desjardins also spoke about materials seized from Way's home: "Officers located hundreds of thousands of images and videos detailing horrific sexual acts against very young children, some of the worst that they have ever viewed."[3]
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mrstime said:
I'm not going to say what I think about that post. I obviously am talking about adults who take a child's innocence.
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Say what you like. What I said applies to adults. Abused children often grow up to be abusive adults. Is is a complicated social problem as we all fail to protect our children and then want to ignore the issue, of societies failure, by “murdering” the abusive adult. How many perpetrators should we put to death?

There is a cure. Just put to death all the abused children, thus ending the ability of them to turn into abusive adults. Why wait till they become adults?
 
Sounds like a really good rule to me. I don't like to see perverts getting away with the things they like to get away with; like collecting photos of little naked kiddies.

Now, what about those "men" that take their clothes, hide behind some bushes in the park and then leap out and scare the bejesus out of some young lady that is walking in the park with her little doggie?

So many social problems these days and so few solutions.
It's enough to put you into an institution!
 
Conceptually I do like the idea.

However with entrapment law enforcement must be careful not to entice someone to do something they might not otherwise have done. Hopefully there are guidelines to prevent this. I can imagine someone getting interested in this kind of thing who had no intent of following through in person. Stupid for sure, but not the same as being an actual podophile.
Aneeda72 said:
There is a cure. Just put to death all the abused children, thus ending the ability of them to turn into abusive adults. Why wait till they become adults?
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Hopefully this is tongue in cheek.

I'm no expert, but I suspect not all abused children grow up to be abusers. I think we may have a few examples here...
 
Nathan said:
Yes, that was a court ruling in a specific case concerning Louisana state law. But the U.S. Constitution does not prohibit the death penalty
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From the article:

a landmark decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that held that the Eighth Amendment's Cruel and Unusual Punishments Clause prohibits imposing the death penalty for the rape of a child in cases where the victim did not die and death was not intended.

So the Supreme Court decided that it is unconstitutional based on being "Cruel and Unusual". Result is although not specifically mentioned in the Constitution the SC decided this was unconstitutional. I believe this was the end of any application of the death penalty in the US except for murder. Rulings such as this set precedents for application in all states.
 
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