Are you more wary of vaccines going forward?

Raddragn said:
I've had Moderna every time - x 4 - and had no side effects - not even a sore arm!
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I've had very mild effects, including a slight sore arm after some vaccines, even vaccines other than for Covid have given a sore arm sometimes. People have different reactions for different reasons, that is to be expected. I will get another booster in the future if recommended, and am thankful these vaccines are available. Too many people put into their graves from this deadly worldwide pandemic, and I'm glad I'm not one of them.
 

ElCastor said:
If a vaccine is available, I get it, and have never had reason to regret it. I frankly cannot understand, or swallow, all the fear and hatred of vaccines that I read in these pages.
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Gullible people can be brainwashed by conspiracies, happens more often now with certain social media sites and certain TV shows. They get their 'information' from a few disreputable sources and they take it as bible.
 
I've been wary of most substances big pharma has pushed over the decades. Going forward even more.

My sinuses became an medication experiment for the American medical industry for decades. I was finally sent to.a specialist and they recommended saline solution/salt water. Keep sinuses moist and clean and infections/issues will at least be cut in half. They even said stay away from as many medications as possible because they dry out the sinuses which causes cracks and opens them up to infection or entry point for other. Just one example of how the medical industry has been groomed to push what big pharma sells.
 

win231 said:
No one hates vaccines. People hate being lied to.
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Hate vaccine lies? So do I. Here are a few sites you should take an honest look at …

Coronavirus: False and misleading claims about vaccines debunked​

https://www.bbc.com/news/53525002

COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact​

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...oronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact

7 Biggest Lies Spread by the Anti-Vaccine Movement, Debunked by Science​

https://www.mic.com/articles/85725/...the-anti-vaccine-movement-debunked-by-science

The Corona Vaccine, purposeful lies vs. hard scientific facts A guide for the perplexed: debunking false posts on the web, with explanations of the vaccine and answers to frequent questions.​

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/293154


Want more? Glad to oblige.
 
win231 said:
"Well documented, databased studies." How factual they are depends on who is funding them:
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What basis is there for such a claim and what does it mean? I have no doubt some studies are biased, sometimes by who funds them, but if they are data based, well documented, peer reviewed and funding is disclosed they are much less prone to bias. Looking at several done by different people in different places helps. Many good data based studies have shown that the Covid vaccine reduces the risk of death, without increased risk. Not just the CDC. I have found none to the contrary, some examples include:
And the list could go on. Again have you found comparable studies showing that the vaccines don't work or increase risk?

The article you cite is an editorial piece without any data foundation I can see. The author and people she references seem to be credible well meaning folks, but I believe represent a small minority opinion.

Rather than say something like "many others in the health community believe those corporate ties are undermining the authority of the hugely influential public health agency" it would be more useful to cite some credible survey of doctors and health scientists, there are just too many varying opinions to put much stock in any one. I don't, I look for the data.
win231 said:
Many people in and out of the medical community were shocked to read in an article published earlier this year in the medical journal the BMJ that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) takes funding from industry.
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Only people who do not know much about how the CDC and other government agencies work would be "shocked". For better or worse this is nothing new, and not limited to the CDC.

This was discussed at some length in a previous thread, the amount of funding CDC gets from industry is less than 1% of its budget. And other government agencies do the same including EPA, FDA, NASA and even the CIA. https://nonprofitquarterly.org/phil...theres-a-foundation-for-thatseveral-actually/
 
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chic said:
No. At the time of the rollout it was said you would not catch covid if you got vaccinated. They also said you would not transmit it which was a flat out lie and they knew it because it had never been tested for transmission. I will argue this point no further. My question was how would you feel about vaccines going forward and many are trying to make this "vaccine" sound like it was a success which it was not.
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Yes, I have seen those same lies, false claims and more, over and over and over.
The so called vaccines (clot shots) were failures at saving any lives, and indeed, that was not their hidden purpose.

I do have compassion for others, for those who try to make the best decisions for themselves and their loved ones.
And I feel for those who mistakenly rely on the toxic chemical corporation media lies and their misleading fact checking BS.

However I have no compassion for those who chose to be abusive to others, and figure they'll get what's coming to them.
Watch, one of them will come along and post a bunch of misinformation websites, while accusing me of posting misinformation.
In the real world, everyone knows who they are. It is so obvious. They can't hide.

Love and peace. ❤️
 
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John cycling said:
Yes, I have seen those same lies, false claims and more, over and over and over.
The so called vaccines (clot shots) were failures at saving any lives, and indeed, that was not their hidden purpose.

I do have compassion for others, for those who try to make the best decisions for themselves and their loved ones.
And I feel for those who mistakenly rely on the toxic chemical corporation media lies and their misleading fact checking BS.

However I have no compassion for those who chose to be abusive to others, and figure they'll get what's coming to them.
In the real world, everyone knows who they are. They can't hide.
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John, I have no desire or intention of being abusive toward you, but in all fairness I honestly believe that you are genuinely harmful to yourself and others when you preach the I’ll conceived, unwarranted, and untrue dogma of the vaccine haters. Please take the time to read and contemplate the following ….

Coronavirus: False and misleading claims about vaccines debunked​

https://www.bbc.com/news/53525002

COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact​

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...oronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact

7 Biggest Lies Spread by the Anti-Vaccine Movement, Debunked by Science​

https://www.mic.com/articles/85725/...the-anti-vaccine-movement-debunked-by-science

The Corona Vaccine, purposeful lies vs. hard scientific facts A guide for the perplexed: debunking false posts on the web, with explanations of the vaccine and answers to frequent questions.​

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/293154
 
jimintoronto said:
Correction. It is STILL deadly. Do a goggle on " deaths in the USA in January of 2023 caused by Covid 19 , " and see what facts come up. In Canada we are still seeing people dying from Covid, as well as the traditional influenza. My wife and I are fully vaccinated and boosted, but we both tested positive in January of this year. Our symptoms were MILD, and within 9 days, we both tested negative. She is 79 and I am 76. JimB.
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You're right, it's still deadly for some people, but it's nowhere near as bad as the original version.
 
garyt1957 said:
You're right, it's still deadly for some people, but it's nowhere near as bad as the original version.
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As Covid evolves it produces modified versions of the original. Omicron was, I believe, the first of these. The original vaccine is not fully effective against these variants, which is the primary reason for boosters which are designed to deal with the current variant, so boosting is important. My wife and I keep up to date with all the boosts. We have been infected twice, January of last year, and again mid year. Being fully Vax’d and boosted, despite our age it was nothing more than a bad head cold. Never hospitalized.
 
ElCastor said:
As Covid evolves it produces modified versions of the original. Omicron was, I believe, the first of these. The original vaccine is not fully effective against these variants, which is the primary reason for boosters which are designed to deal with the current variant, so boosting is important. My wife and I keep up to date with all the boosts. We have been infected twice, January of last year, and again mid year. Being fully Vax’d and boosted, despite our age it was nothing more than a bad head cold. Never hospitalized.
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Yes, Head cold/chest cold - 3 days. Exactly my experience, except no vaccines.
Several friends--10 years younger than me--vaccinated & boosted to keep their jobs were very ill for weeks.
Nephew's family - vaccinated & boosted - all ill with Covid; some very ill.
No getting around it. Useless vaccine.
 
I don't want another covid booster and I hope they won't be required for my job. If they are, I'll have no choice as I have to keep working. I can't remember the exact time line because I ignored it for some time, but I lost partial sight in one of my eyes after a covid booster. But I'm not sure how long after the booster it was because I didn't go to the eye doctor right away. I don't know if there was any connection.
 
perChance said:
When you tell someone you can't continue to work if you don't allow us to shove a needle in your arm - then yes, there were 'straps' used.
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This was exactly my experience. At first I think the vaccine was not mandatory. I don't remember when it became so. But when someone has to work and you can't work without the covid vaccine, where is the choice. Quitting your job is not a choice. OK sure technically I could. Then go live in my car or the nearest homeless encampment.
 
win231 said:
No. I'm only opposed to useless vaccines/drugs. Especially the ones with risks that outweigh benefits.
A common fallacy: Anyone who criticizes a vaccine is against all vaccines, all drugs, & all medical treatments.
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OK that‘s good. How about Shingles and Flu vaccines?
 
Blessed said:
I find it sad that family and friends do not have enough respect and compassion for each other. No one is wrong, you do what you feel is right for you and your family. There is no reason to fight about it. I don't feel any way about anyone, vaxed or not, it is a choice, like many we face everyday.
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Well said.
 
Rose65 said:
The pressure is subtle, it's all around us.
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Pardon me for being less than subtle, but do you fear getting Polio, Smallpox, Diptheria, or Measles? Those diseases, once common, have been eliminated by vaccines. Your fear of the Covid needle may, or may not be fatal in your case, but in the end your reluctance, and that of others who share your fear, may well cost many their life.
 
ElCastor said:
Pardon me for being less than subtle, but do you fear getting Polio, Smallpox, Diptheria, or Measles? Those diseases, once common, have been eliminated by vaccines. Your fear of the Covid needle may, or may not be fatal in your case, but in the end your reluctance, and that of others who share your fear, may well cost many their life.
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The difference is, that mRNA technology doesn't create vaccines, but instead is an experimental therapy(?) with a lot of adverse effects (to say the least). And especially the spike protein is a poison but nothing else.
 
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George1959 said:
The difference is, that mRNA is not a vaccine, but instead a very harmful poison.
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How about other vaccines — like polio, measles, and flu? Also poisonous? BTW I’m fully vaccinated and boosted, and while I had a mild case of Covid, no hospital, just a lot of Kleenex. If you find yourself sickened by Covid and in a Hospital bed, it’s too late to beg for vaccine. There is a fairly effective treatment, Paxlovid, but I understand you have to get it very early in the disease. Or maybe it‘s poisonous?
 
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chic said:
Since the covid 19 "vaccine" debacle there has been some conversation on social media regarding how people will feel going forward about ALL vaccines. I know we're seniors and have had most of our vaccines already as children so it may be a non issue. But, how will you feel in the future about vaccines being pushed at you? Despite the admitted failure of the covid vaccine to prevent transmission, this same vaccine is on the recommended list for the future for children.

I think I will continue to avoid vaccines unless there is an overwhelming reason not to.
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no foreign liquid inside me either ….
 
ElCastor said:
How about other vaccines — like polio, measles, and flu? Also poisonous? BTW I’m fully vaccinated and boosted, and while I had a mild case of Covid, no hospital, just a lot of Kleenex. If you find yourself sickened by Covid and in a Hospital bed, it’s too late to beg for vaccine. There is a fairly effective treatment, Paxlovid, but I understand you have to get it very early in the disease. Or maybe it‘s poisonous?
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^^^^ Assuming that someone who doesn't trust the safety & effectiveness of Covid vaccines doesn't trust any vaccine is a desperate attempt to ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with them.
And if you find yourself harmed by an experimental vaccine, you can't be un-vaccinated.
 
win231 said:
^^^^ Assuming that someone who doesn't trust the safety & effectiveness of Covid vaccines doesn't trust any vaccine is a desperate attempt to ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with them.
And if you find yourself harmed by an experimental vaccine, you can't be un-vaccinated.
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Not desperate, curious. Some people are afraid of needles, not vaccines. So how about it? Have you received other vaccines, like polio, measles, and flu?? Any problem with needles?

BTW - How do you get away with those ads in your posts?
 
ElCastor said:
Not desperate, curious. Some people are afraid of needles, not vaccines. So how about it? Have you received other vaccines, like polio, measles, and flu?? Any problem with needles?

BTW - How do you get away with those ads in your posts?
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If I was afraid of needles, I wouldn't be here. I'm insulin dependent & use needles 4 times/day. As a child, I got whatever vaccines were required.
I remember getting a measles vaccine when my mom took me to Europe with her. That's the only one I remember; I probably got others when I was younger.
Never had a flu, covid, shingles or pneumonia vaccine.
That's not an "ad" in my tag line; I'm making fun of ads for useless products. :ROFLMAO:
 

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