Terrible U.S.A. Statistic. 68 Mass Shootings So Far This Year!

Alligatorob said:
I don't see one... Not that we should just give up or stop trying, we shouldn't, its too important.

I believe it would help to gain a better understanding of the root causes and actual trends in these cases. As to why, I don't understand it but perhaps a better understanding would help us limit them. Actual trends are also important. I don't know how much of this is a real increase as opposed to an increased public awareness. It would be important to know better what is really happening. Either way we should be trying to stop it, but understanding should help us be more effective.

Within limits it does seem that our courts have interpreted the Second Amendment just this way. And given the number of folks here who support it I don't see our gun laws changing a whole lot in the near future, and probably not for a long time, if ever. As a result I am not sure the time and effort we spend debating and worrying over gun control is doing much good.

The reality forces us, at least near term, to look to solutions other than big changes in gun laws.
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Good luck. I suggest more "thoughts and prayers" and keeping your fingers crossed.
Or you could look beyond your national boundaries for some effective ideas.

When you have more mass shootings than you have days then it is time for radical thinking.
 

SeniorBen said:
These mass shootings seem to come in two varieties: 1) Gang related and 2) Suicidal people where the shooter wants to take as many people with him as possible.

Both are societal problems. Too many people have no hope for a good future.
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You overlook another fairly constant in the equation. Overwhelming the shooter is male. Has anyone considered the idea that the 2nd Amendment was written by men, for men, and that women and children are the victims of it?

A law written for the defence of the country is killing the people it was designed to protect against foreign invasion.
 
Warrigal said:
You overlook another fairly constant in the equation. Overwhelming the shooter is male. Has anyone considered the idea that the 2nd Amendment was written by men, for men, and that women and children are the victims of it?

A law written for the defence of the country is killing the people it was designed to protect against foreign invasion.
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It's a law written to protect families as well; to protect women and children, and so a woman can protect herself and her children.

Sickos who kill their families and/or random people with guns have no protection under the 2nd Amendment. They lose it the moment they pull the trigger.
 

Warrigal said:
You overlook another fairly constant in the equation. Overwhelming the shooter is male. Has anyone considered the idea that the 2nd Amendment was written by men, for men, and that women and children are the victims of it?

A law written for the defence of the country is killing the people it was designed to protect against foreign invasion.
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The 2nd amendment was a collective right up until about 20 years ago when the SCOTUS decided that it's an individual right... the same justices who decided that corporations are people. There's more to it, but I'm typing on my phone.

It's true that the shooters have all been male (there might have been a female religious mass shooter, maybe some gang members). Mostly they're young male losers who are mad at the world and are suicidal.

Society is collapsing. These mass shootings are just a symptom of societal ills.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
Breaking News!!!!!!!!!

Six shot dead in a small Mississippi town. Not the gangbangers in poor urban centers this time.

As usual, thoughts, prayers, flowers and candles!!!

Nothing else can be said since America doesn't want to do anything about it. When you have lots of guns in a population, gun violence should be expected.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/6-sh...uspect-in-custody_n_63efe840e4b0255caaf23a25#

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-dead-series-shootings-rural-Mississippi.html
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The thing to do about it is to thoroughly examine why nut-jobs are shooting people up, then get input from top-tier mental health experts about solutions, and fund those solutions.
 
Murrmurr said:
The thing to do about it is to thoroughly examine why nut-jobs are shooting people up, then get input from top-tier mental health experts about solutions, and fund those solutions.
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"Mental health experts." :ROFLMAO:

Just like we used "mental health experts" at gitmo. :ROFLMAO:
 
I'd like to hear suggestions as to how to control this from some of the more pro-gun rights folks here.

Like it or not we are not going to be changing our gun laws a lot, not in the short term anyway. Right now I believe a majority or close to it support keeping gun laws much the way they are now. And to change the constitution is not easy, and takes more than a simple majority.
Warrigal said:
Or you could look beyond your national boundaries for some effective ideas.
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I think most Americans are at least somewhat aware of what you and many other countries are doing. However that doesn't seem to change a lot of minds...
 
Murrmurr said:
Sickos who kill their families and/or random people with guns have no protection under the 2nd Amendment. They lose it the moment they pull the trigger.
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You are right of course, problem is the 2nd amendment rights have made guns more accessible to the sickos even if they don't have the right to own them. And losing the right at the moment of pulling the trigger is a bit late...
Murrmurr said:
The thing to do about it is to thoroughly examine why nut-jobs are shooting people up, then get input from top-tier mental health experts about solutions, and fund those solutions.
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Certainly worth doing, but I am skeptical how effective it can be. Too hard to identify these folks in advance...
 
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Murrmurr said:
It's a law written to protect families as well; to protect women and children, and so a woman can protect herself and her children.

Sickos who kill their families and/or random people with guns have no protection under the 2nd Amendment. They lose it the moment they pull the trigger.
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Too late to help the innocent dead though.

I will never understand that nothing happened to effectively change the problem after Sandy Hook.
If that wasn't a wake up call to the whole nation then I believe that you will all have to live with the consequences. More mass shootings every year than there are days in the calendar and more gun massacres that any other civilised country on the planet.

Whatever happened to the ideal of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?"
 
Control or eliminate access to ammunition. Then a gun becomes an expensive and fancy paperweight or boat anchor.

Citizens can own all the guns they want. It'll just be illegal to own ammunition for them.
 
feywon said:
There are 2 or 3 countries that have similar per capita gun ownership rates to the USA, but have much lower gun violence rates. Japan, Switzerland and either Greenland or Iceland i think--can't recall at this moment. So it says something about our country that we do.
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The only one I know much about is Switzerland. I know they have a lot of guns. When I worked there all able bodied adult men (maybe women now) were required to have a gun and be trained and able to use it for defense of the county. They however regulate guns, gun ownership, and gun use much more strictly than we do.

Perhaps we could learn something from them.

Firearms regulation in Switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2
 
Warrigal said:
Too late to help the innocent dead though.

I will never understand that nothing happened to effectively change the problem after Sandy Hook.
If that wasn't a wake up call to the whole nation then I believe that you will all have to live with the consequences. More mass shootings every year than there are days in the calendar and more gun massacres that any other civilised country on the planet.

Whatever happened to the ideal of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?"
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Laws did change in response to Sandy Hook, including imposing firearm limits. Changes mostly focused on security in schools, though. Some states made those changes, some didn't, some did more or less.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness includes the right to protect your family, community, state, and country. Certainly, in order to keep those ideals, you must have the right to bear arms.

Look, the bottom line is, people killing people is a social problem, a mental health issue, possibly a chemical imbalance and toxicity problem. Why the US doesn't invest loads of money into the agencies and task forces that investigate causes and prevention of problems like this, I do not know. Indeed, the lack of meaningful action is dumbfounding. You would think the US would be the world's leader in the treatment, deterrence, and prevention of mass shootings. If not the US then some other country where this problem exists.
 
Very low rate for Russia, but apparently they loose a lot attributed to "falls" from the windows of tall buildings. Was watching something today that was explaining how social media profits from our anger towards each other by directing those from all political leanings to posts and sites that will increase your anger toward the "other" increasing your participation, and thusly the advertising cash flow.
 
feywon said:
There are 2 or 3 countries that have similar per capita gun ownership rates to the USA, but have much lower gun violence rates. Japan, Switzerland and either Greenland or Iceland i think--can't recall at this moment. So it says something about our country that we do.
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Okay but the difference is that in the US, it's a free for all. The right to have a gun no matter what based on the 2nd Amendment. In countries like Switzerland, there are restrictions/preventative measures to prevent misuse. Those measures would not be acceptable in the US.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
Breaking News!!!!!!!!!

Six shot dead in a small Mississippi town. Not the gangbangers in poor urban centers this time.

As usual, thoughts, prayers, flowers and candles!!!

Nothing else can be said since America doesn't want to do anything about it. When you have lots of guns in a population, gun violence should be expected.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/6-sh...uspect-in-custody_n_63efe840e4b0255caaf23a25#

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-dead-series-shootings-rural-Mississippi.html
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I guess everyone in Arkabutla, a small Mississippi town knows the killer since the population is only 289. According to the latest census, it's 83% white and 9% black. In the following link is a mugshot of the shooter. What some may call your everyday normal looking guy.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/mississippi-shooting-arkabutla-tate-county-people-killed/
 
Alligatorob said:
You are right of course, problem is the 2nd amendment rights have made guns more accessible to the sickos even if they don't have the right to own them. And losing the right at the moment of pulling the trigger is a bit late...

Certainly worth doing, but I am skeptical how effective it can be. Too hard to identify these folks in advance...
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Most of them received mental health treatment prior to shooting a bunch of people, or were at least assessed for a diagnosis. Some had attempted suicide, some made multiple attempts. Some had been contacted by police after someone complained they threatened to kill somebody, or brought a gun to school, or fantasized out loud about shooting up the school or the place where they used to work.

Obviously, mistakes were made, stuff was ignored, someone didn't take it seriously, didn't bother, didn't care, mom and dad didn't want their kid arrested, a judge was too lenient. All of that applies in various cases.
 
Lets skip racial profiling and just look at the faces of mass shooter mug shots. And yes this is an old lookup.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-shooter-shooting-mugshots/

Can anyone looking at the mug shots see anything that would indicate the intent to shoot multiple people? I couldn't

My point is there is no way by looking at a person to be able to say they know what they intend to do with a gun. Next would be gun laws are they unform from state to state. The answer is NO!.

A little late now to go after those with guns but for future purchases I think uniform laws, comprehensive mental testing, ban sales of automatic weapons in every state, track manufacture & distribution of automatic weapons whether manufactured in America or in another country.
 
Murrmurr said:
Laws did change in response to Sandy Hook, including imposing firearm limits. Changes mostly focused on security in schools, though. Some states made those changes, some didn't, some did more or less.
Ever consider uniform legislation across the Union to protect all school children

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness includes the right to protect your family, community, state, and country. Certainly, in order to keep those ideals, you must have the right to bear arms.
You are talking to an Australian. Our constitution includes no such statement. I now live alone in a house quite safely without any security, unless you count the sensor light near the front door. The back door is often unlocked all night. My life is not, and never has been, at risk when I open the front door when someone knocks. I do not have a gun in my hand when I do. No need of it. I consider myself mostly free to seek my own happiness. Any limitations to that freedom usually boil down to the fact that I am not male.
Look, the bottom line is, people killing people is a social problem, a mental health issue, possibly a chemical imbalance and toxicity problem. Then what is causing Americans to be mentally sicker and more drug addled than Aussies, Kiwis, Brits and Canadians? Could it be the fact that Americans own something like 43% of the world's guns and are aiming for a higher score?* Why the US doesn't invest loads of money into the agencies and task forces that investigate causes and prevention of problems like this, I do not know. Indeed, the lack of meaningful action is dumbfounding. You would think the US would be the world's leader in the treatment, deterrence, and prevention of mass shootings. If not the US then some other country where this problem exists.
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* According to some crazy female politician I heard rabble rousing recently.
 

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