The unvaccinated

ElCastor said:
Clot shot? If you are referring to J&J I don’t use it and never will. Just Pfizer and Moderna supplied by Kaiser. There may be a new booster soon, if so I will get it when available. If you are a non-Vaxer you might want to keep in mind that Covid itself can cause clots. Oh, and if you find yourself laying on your Covid death bed please be advised that its too late to ask for a Vax.
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LOL - that was a vaccine selling point - "Once you're gasping for air, it's too late."
"Buy a car warranty now 'cuz "Once your car breaks down, it's too late."
"A home repair can cost thousands. Don't wait until something breaks; get your warranty now."
 

hollydolly said:
Interesting... you should do some kind of poll.. colate blood groups.. with those have and have not had C19... I'd like to see that, seriously..
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What if they come up with some data & people start demanding blood transfusions with the winning types? The population will turn into vampires. 😂
Remember that TV show, "The Immortal?"
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Immortal_(1970_TV_series)
The Immortal is an American television series, starring Christopher George as a man whose blood chemistry and resistance to almost all diseases (including old age) makes him both almost immortal and a target of several wealthy men who would basically use him as a personal blood bank, aired on ABC from September 24, 1970 to January 14, 1971. The series is based on a pilot film of the same name, which aired on September 30, 1969 as an ABC Movie of the Week. The pilot is based on the 1964 science fiction novel The Immortals, by James Gunn.
 

Alligatorob said:
Sounds reasonable.

I believe some people have a natural immunity to Covid, it's true for a lot of viruses. Understanding who and why would be useful.
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I think that may be true. I have never had strep throat. My sister, as children up to present day seems to have it at least once a year if not more. The hubs and the son had it multiple times and I never got it. I have not had covid, the flu, bronchitis or a cold these last few years. I am vaccinated and still practice covid guidelines to be on the safe side.
 
win231 said:
An article I read last week said they're researching why some people never get Covid, whether vaccinated or not.
One suspected reason has to do with blood type.
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I suspect one reason some people haven't gotten Covid-19 is that they haven't been exposed to the virus. They may be people who don't socialize much or go to crowded places.
 
SeniorBen said:
Here's some info on the risks of the vaccine vs. unvaccinated people getting Covid-19:

It is important to put this risk in context. The overall risk of an unvaccinated person dying from a COVID-19 infection is much higher than the risk of clots from the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca vaccines.

To date, the U.S. has recorded roughly 48,000,000 COVID cases and almost 68,000 deaths in persons 18 to 49 years old. Even if we assume actual infection numbers are much higher, the risk of dying from a COVID-19 infection is hundreds of times more than the risk of blood clots from these vaccines. Studies also show that the incidence of blood clots in people with COVID-19 infection is much higher than in the general population and much higher than the incidence with vaccines.

No evidence indicates that the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are associated with the same risk of blood clots. However, data from multiple studies show a slight risk for myocarditis and pericarditis following the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. These cases occurred most frequently in males, ages 16 years and older, within seven days of receiving the second dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.

Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle. Pericarditis is inflammation of the lining outside the heart. Most cases are mild, with symptoms resolving within a few days. However, severe cases can lead to abnormal heart rhythm, stroke, heart attack or death. As with blood clots, the incidence of severe myocarditis and pericarditis is MUCH higher in persons who are infected with COVID-19.

The COVID-19 virus can damage multiple organs, including:

• Brain
• Heart
• Lungs

This can lead to severe neurological, heart and other long-term health complications. Therefore, the benefits far outweigh the risks of receiving the COVID-19 vaccines. In fact, data consistently show that mortality rates are much lower in vaccinated and boosted individuals compared to those who have never been vaccinated or boosted.

As of the latest available data in the U.S. (October 2022), unvaccinated persons were 29 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who were vaccinated with an updated booster.
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/y...-vaccines-cause-blood-clots-or-heart-problems
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Cool, you found one! So, the latest findings are; for seniors over 65 and patients with obesity, severe diabetes, and respiratory and immune disorders, the risks associated with getting covid are far worse than the risks associated with the mRna vaccine. And some of the studies (the Harvard one, I think) show that seniors over 80 are the least at risk of severe complications from the mRna vaccine.
 
SeniorBen said:
I suspect one reason some people haven't gotten Covid-19 is that they haven't been exposed to the virus. They may be people who don't socialize much or go to crowded places.
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We have all been exposed to the virus, Ben. It's everywhere. But these days a lot of people aren't even having symptoms when they get infected. The virus has mutated to where it causes very mild symptoms or even no symptoms except when the host's immune system is weak.
 
ElCastor said:
Granted I’ve heard of a blood clot issue, but ( correct me if I am wrong) I believe it was with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine — a vaccine that is not well regarded for several reasons. If J&J was the only vaccine I would join you in opposition. Moderna and Pfizer are the way to go. My wife is Pfizer and I‘m Moderna - both from Kaiser, as are all our boosters.

Here‘s a link putting the finger on J&J …
https://www.novanthealth.org/healthy-headlines/vaccines-and-blood-clots
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What some medical scientists suspect is that the mRna vaccine is getting into people's blood because people who give the vaccination were being told they don't have to aspirate the needle. Aspirating the needle is when they poke it in, and then draw back on the plunger to make sure they don't see blood before injecting the medication.

Those guys suspect the problems they're seeing with the heart, the brain, and blood clotting, etc, is because the vaccine is getting in the bloodstream.
 
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Murrmurr said:
Leanne, you shouldn't avoid all vaccines. There are numerous issues with mRna vaccines, and mostly among people under 40. Also, mostly among men under 40.

Vaccines are a very good thing. It's just the ones that use the mRna delivery system you should be wary of. But even so, for seniors over 65, especially seniors with health problems, the benefits outweigh the risks.
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Thank you @Murrmurr. I hear you and I agree about vaccines generally being a good thing (polio, measles, tetanus, etc...) but I am so vaccine-shy after the blood clots that I don't know if I can stick my arm out for any other one again.
 
Murrmurr said:
What some medical scientists suspect is that the mRna vaccine is getting into people's blood because people who give the vaccination were being told they don't have to aspirate the needle. Aspirating the needle is when they poke it in, and then draw back on the plunger to make sure they don't see blood before injecting the medication.

Those guys suspect the problems they're seeing with the heart, the brain, and blood clotting, etc, is because the vaccine is getting in the bloodstream.
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Here is something that I think you need to read …

“COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact”​

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...oronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact
 
Murrmurr said:
Cool, you found one! So, the latest findings are; for seniors over 65 and patients with obesity, severe diabetes, and respiratory and immune disorders, the risks associated with getting covid are far worse than the risks associated with the mRna vaccine. And some of the studies (the Harvard one, I think) show that seniors over 80 are the least at risk of severe complications from the mRna vaccine.
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I'm not really expecting an answer to this but why would seniors over 80 be least at risk of severe complications? The older you get the less resistance you have and the weaker you are physically, right?

ElCastor said:
Here is something that I think you need to read …

“COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact”​

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...oronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact
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This story is a year old. A lot has changed on how Covid is viewed in the last year.
 
Myrtle said:
I'm not really expecting an answer to this but why would seniors over 80 be least at risk of severe complications? The older you get the less resistance you have and the weaker you are physically, right?


This story is a year old. A lot has changed on how Covid is viewed in the last year.
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Sigh, this thing is endless. All I can, or wish, to say is that I intend to comply with the advice of my healthcare provider, even though someone will likely contend that I will grow a second head and turn green. Adios and the best of luck to you all. (-8
 
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Myrtle said:
I'm not really expecting an answer to this but why would seniors over 80 be least at risk of severe complications? The older you get the less resistance you have and the weaker you are physically, right?


This story is a year old. A lot has changed on how Covid is viewed in the last year.
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According to current data, people over 80 are at worse risk from the symptoms of covid than from adverse reactions to the covid vaccine. From age 65 to 80+ the benefits of vaccination increasingly outweigh the risks of an adverse reaction. Far fewer elderly people have experienced a serious adverse reaction than younger people.
 
Maybe it would be helpful if everyone would stop posting old articles to support their position. More and more research is being done on the virus and more and more facts are coming out about the government's role in the pandemic. Some of it supports what was once considered to be 'conspiracy.'

The conclusion has not yet been written.
 
Myrtle said:
Maybe it would be helpful if everyone would stop posting old articles to support their position. More and more research is being done on the virus and more and more facts are coming out about the government's role in the pandemic. Some of it supports what was once considered to be 'conspiracy.'

The conclusion has not yet been written.
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True. Complete, unadulterated incompetence in the initial stages of the pandemic is one reason the virus got so out of control. The politicization of the science is another. People are still politicizing it.
 
Murrmurr said:
What some medical scientists suspect is that the mRna vaccine is getting into people's blood because people who give the vaccination were being told they don't have to aspirate the needle. Aspirating the needle is when they poke it in, and then draw back on the plunger to make sure they don't see blood before injecting the medication.

Those guys suspect the problems they're seeing with the heart, the brain, and blood clotting, etc, is because the vaccine is getting in the bloodstream.
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I heard that also. It's a possibility for certain.
 
chic said:
I heard that also. It's a possibility for certain.
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It's now a certainty. The mRna wasn't supposed to get into the cells of people's vital organs - or any organs - or in their blood, but it is being seen in the cells of the heart, brain, ovaries and testes, and everywhere, and it's getting there via the blood. It has the means to infiltrate the walls of our vessels and arteries. This wasn't supposed to happen. Doctors were assured that it wouldn't.

 
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