hollydolly
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I believe most of the people on the Titanic were rich... and I know that all of the sub crew are Billionaires...
Race to find Titanic tourist submarine with British billionaire and four others aboard that has vanished
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Second and third class Titanic tickets were of course cheaper than 1st. A today's dollar comparison would make Astor a Billionaire. The only actual Billionaire I know of in 1912 was Ohio's John D. Rockefeller, founder of Standard Oil.
I heard the same things and was confused as to who was actually on board but I think @hollydolly is likely correct ... for a quarter Mil, we'll call you anything you want
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I don't understand how these things work and it's what, 2 miles, but I'd think a cable should have been attached. But is it impossible to wind a 2 mile cable on a ship? I don't know.
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Update :
Specialist sonobuoys onboard the plane detected the sounds near the 'distress position' a Department of Homeland Security email seen by Rolling Stone revealed on Tuesday night.
'RCC Halifax launched a P8, Poseidon, which has underwater detection capabilities from the air,' the DHS memo read, 'reported a contact in a position close to the distress position.
'The P8 heard banging sounds in the area every 30 minutes. Four hours later additional sonar was deployed and banging was still heard.'
The timing - or cause - of the banging is not revealed by the memo.
The announcement also stated that 'the Joint Rescue Coordination Centre is working to find an underwater remote-operated vehicle through partner organizations to possibly assist.'
An e-mail sent Tuesday afternoon, seen by Rolling Stone, from the president of the travel and research group, the Explorers Society, also reported sounds.
'It is being reported that at 2 a.m. local time on site that sonar detected potential ‘tapping sounds’ at the location, implying crew may be alive and signaling' it read.
A massive search operation remains underway to find the missing OceanGate submersible, the Titan, after it lost contact with the mothership during its descent to the shipwreck on Sunday morning.
Rear Admiral John Mauger, who is helping coordinate the search, said it could be stuck.
'We don’t have equipment onsite that can do a survey of the bottom,' Mauger said on Tuesday.
'There is a lot of debris, so locating it will be difficult. Right now, we’re focused on trying to locate it.'
Royal Navy Rear Admiral Chris Parry likened the bottom of the Atlantic to ‘being in space’, saying: ‘It’s utterly dark down there, and you have also got a lot of mud and other stuff getting swept up. You can only see about 20 feet in front of you with searchlights. There are very strong ocean currents which are pushing you along.’
The search site is some 900 miles off the coast of Cape Cod, 400 miles southeast of Newfoundland. Getting there is a difficult enough feat without finding the missing sub beneath the ocean surface
Banging heard' in hunt for missing submarine:
A Canadian Aircraft, part of the enormous search mission looking for the missing Titanic tourists, heard 'banging' at 30-minute intervals in the area the submarine disappeared.Specialist sonobuoys onboard the plane detected the sounds near the 'distress position' a Department of Homeland Security email seen by Rolling Stone revealed on Tuesday night.
'RCC Halifax launched a P8, Poseidon, which has underwater detection capabilities from the air,' the DHS memo read, 'reported a contact in a position close to the distress position.
'The P8 heard banging sounds in the area every 30 minutes. Four hours later additional sonar was deployed and banging was still heard.'
The timing - or cause - of the banging is not revealed by the memo.
The announcement also stated that 'the Joint Rescue Coordination Centre is working to find an underwater remote-operated vehicle through partner organizations to possibly assist.'
An e-mail sent Tuesday afternoon, seen by Rolling Stone, from the president of the travel and research group, the Explorers Society, also reported sounds.
'It is being reported that at 2 a.m. local time on site that sonar detected potential ‘tapping sounds’ at the location, implying crew may be alive and signaling' it read.
A massive search operation remains underway to find the missing OceanGate submersible, the Titan, after it lost contact with the mothership during its descent to the shipwreck on Sunday morning.
Rear Admiral John Mauger, who is helping coordinate the search, said it could be stuck.
'We don’t have equipment onsite that can do a survey of the bottom,' Mauger said on Tuesday.
'There is a lot of debris, so locating it will be difficult. Right now, we’re focused on trying to locate it.'
Royal Navy Rear Admiral Chris Parry likened the bottom of the Atlantic to ‘being in space’, saying: ‘It’s utterly dark down there, and you have also got a lot of mud and other stuff getting swept up. You can only see about 20 feet in front of you with searchlights. There are very strong ocean currents which are pushing you along.’
The search site is some 900 miles off the coast of Cape Cod, 400 miles southeast of Newfoundland. Getting there is a difficult enough feat without finding the missing sub beneath the ocean surface
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If the mini-sub has lost power, with no working propellers, lights or heating, its five passengers will be in total darkness in temperatures of around 3C (37F) as the doomed craft rolls along the seabed.
Oceanographer and Titanic expert David Gallo said: ‘Where is it? Is it on the bottom, is it floating, is it mid-water? That is something that has not been determined yet.
'The water is very deep – two miles plus. It’s like a visit to another planet. It is a sunless, cold environment and high pressure.’
The basic problem is that the submersible, Titan, has stopped transmitting signals, making it almost impossible to locate. It is supposed to send a sonar ‘ping’ (radar and GPS not functioning underwater) to mothership Polar Prince every 15 minutes, but the last one was at 9.45am on Sunday – an hour and 45 minutes into the dive as it was floating right above the Titanic.
Oceanographer and Titanic expert David Gallo said: ‘Where is it? Is it on the bottom, is it floating, is it mid-water? That is something that has not been determined yet.
'The water is very deep – two miles plus. It’s like a visit to another planet. It is a sunless, cold environment and high pressure.’
The basic problem is that the submersible, Titan, has stopped transmitting signals, making it almost impossible to locate. It is supposed to send a sonar ‘ping’ (radar and GPS not functioning underwater) to mothership Polar Prince every 15 minutes, but the last one was at 9.45am on Sunday – an hour and 45 minutes into the dive as it was floating right above the Titanic.
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I keep wondering if they paid $250,000 to die! I agree with others that no way would I have gotten on that submarine (to see a wreckage no less) and that it was a fools errand. It seems the safety precautions would not protect them against everything. Apparently the safety mechanism that's supposed to push the submarine to the surface so it can float is not working. One person interviewed said they could have gotten trapped (perhaps lodged) in the wreckage somehow. I do hope they are found but it is not looking good.
Beezer
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Perhaps that risk taking attitude gets you there (becoming a billionaire)...but it can also take you out.
I know Steve Jobs kept putting off his illness until it finally caught up with him. Perhaps these 'game changer' types of people just throw caution to the wind and decide to let the chips fall where they may on some level.
In life I've been a mild risk taker. I never would have gone down in that sub no matter how wealthy I was. I value my own life too much. I'd never go skydiving either or participate in activities where you may end up in a pine box.
I know Steve Jobs kept putting off his illness until it finally caught up with him. Perhaps these 'game changer' types of people just throw caution to the wind and decide to let the chips fall where they may on some level.
In life I've been a mild risk taker. I never would have gone down in that sub no matter how wealthy I was. I value my own life too much. I'd never go skydiving either or participate in activities where you may end up in a pine box.
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It would appear that the submersible was not safe for the depth of the Titanic.
I have little idea whether this information is factual or not, but it does sound very ominous for the men on the submersible
Missing Titanic Sub Once Faced Massive Lawsuit Over Depths It Could Safely Travel To
Court documents reveal a former OceanGate employee had several safety complaints over the tourist submersible—and then he was fired.
The tourist submersible that went missing while exploring the Titanic wreck was previously the target of safety complaints from an employee of OceanGate, the parent company that owns the sub and runs tourist expeditions of the wreck. That employee complained specifically that the sub was not capable of descending to such extreme depths before he was fired.
That’s according to legal documents obtained by The New Republic. According to the court documents, in a 2018 case, OceanGate employee David Lochridge, a submersible pilot, voiced concerns about the safety of the sub. According to a press release, Lochridge was director of marine operations at the time, “responsible for the safety of all crew and clients.”
The concerns Lochridge voiced came to light as part of a breach of contract case related to Lochridge refusing to greenlight manned tests of the early models of the submersible over safety concerns. Lochridge was fired, and then OceanGate sued him for disclosing confidential information about the Titan submersible. In response, Lochridge filed a compulsory counterclaim where he alleged wrongful termination over being a whistleblower about the quality and safety of the submersible.
Lochridge, in his counterclaim, alleged that “rather than addressing Lochridge’s concerns, OceanGate instead summarily terminated Lochridge’s employment in efforts to silence Lochridge and to avoid addressing the safety and quality control issues.”
The counterclaim said that:
Given the prevalent flaws in the previously tested 1/3 scale model, and the visible flaws in the carbon end samples for the Titan, Lochridge again stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths. The constant pressure cycling weakens existing flaws resulting in large tears of the carbon. Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew.
The counterclaim also details a meeting at OceanGate’s Everett, Washington, facility with engineering staff where “several individuals had expressed concerns over to the Engineering Director.” The OceanGate CEO, Stockton Rush, asked Lochridge to conduct a quality inspection of the Titan.
Per the complaint:
Over the course of the next several days, Lochridge worked on his report and requested paperwork from the Engineering Director regarding the viewport design and pressure test results of the viewport for the Titan, along with other key information. Lochridge was met with hostility and denial of access to the necessary documentation that should have been freely available as part of his inspection process.
Lochridge initially verbally expressed concerns about the safety and quality of the Titan submersible to OceanGate executive management, but those concerns were ignored. Lochridge “identified numerous issues that posed serious safety concerns, and offered corrective action and recommendations for each.” Lochridge was particularly concerned about “non-destructive testing performed on the hull of the Titan” but he was “repeatedly told that no scan of the hull or Bond Line could be done to check for delaminations, porosity and voids of sufficient adhesion of the glue being used due to the thickness of the hull.” He was also told there was no such equipment that could conduct a test like that.
After Lochridge issued his inspection report, OceanGate officials convened a meeting on January 19, 2018, with the CEO, human resources director, engineering director, Lochridge, and the operations director.
Per the complaint:
At the meeting Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the Engineering department—the viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters. Lochridge learned that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“PVHO”) standards. OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters.
For reference, the Titanic is estimated to sit on the ocean floor at a depth of nearly 13,000 feet.
Paying passengers wouldn’t know or be informed about Lochridge’s concerns, according to his complaints. They also wouldn’t be informed “that hazardous flammable materials were being used within the submersible.” Lochridge expressed concerns about the Titan again. But OceanGate didn’t address those concerns, and Lockridge was fired. The case between Lochridge and OceanGate didn’t advance much further, and a few months later the two parties settled.
As of Tuesday, the Coast Guard said that 10,000 square miles have been searched since the Titan submersible went missing Sunday afternoon. Five people are said to be on board, and the submarine had the capability to be underwater for about 96 hours, according to The Guardian.
Missing Titanic Sub Once Faced Massive Lawsuit Over Depths It Could Safely Travel To | The New Republic
I have little idea whether this information is factual or not, but it does sound very ominous for the men on the submersible
Missing Titanic Sub Once Faced Massive Lawsuit Over Depths It Could Safely Travel To
Court documents reveal a former OceanGate employee had several safety complaints over the tourist submersible—and then he was fired.
The tourist submersible that went missing while exploring the Titanic wreck was previously the target of safety complaints from an employee of OceanGate, the parent company that owns the sub and runs tourist expeditions of the wreck. That employee complained specifically that the sub was not capable of descending to such extreme depths before he was fired.
That’s according to legal documents obtained by The New Republic. According to the court documents, in a 2018 case, OceanGate employee David Lochridge, a submersible pilot, voiced concerns about the safety of the sub. According to a press release, Lochridge was director of marine operations at the time, “responsible for the safety of all crew and clients.”
The concerns Lochridge voiced came to light as part of a breach of contract case related to Lochridge refusing to greenlight manned tests of the early models of the submersible over safety concerns. Lochridge was fired, and then OceanGate sued him for disclosing confidential information about the Titan submersible. In response, Lochridge filed a compulsory counterclaim where he alleged wrongful termination over being a whistleblower about the quality and safety of the submersible.
Lochridge, in his counterclaim, alleged that “rather than addressing Lochridge’s concerns, OceanGate instead summarily terminated Lochridge’s employment in efforts to silence Lochridge and to avoid addressing the safety and quality control issues.”
The counterclaim said that:
Given the prevalent flaws in the previously tested 1/3 scale model, and the visible flaws in the carbon end samples for the Titan, Lochridge again stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths. The constant pressure cycling weakens existing flaws resulting in large tears of the carbon. Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew.
The counterclaim also details a meeting at OceanGate’s Everett, Washington, facility with engineering staff where “several individuals had expressed concerns over to the Engineering Director.” The OceanGate CEO, Stockton Rush, asked Lochridge to conduct a quality inspection of the Titan.
Per the complaint:
Over the course of the next several days, Lochridge worked on his report and requested paperwork from the Engineering Director regarding the viewport design and pressure test results of the viewport for the Titan, along with other key information. Lochridge was met with hostility and denial of access to the necessary documentation that should have been freely available as part of his inspection process.
Lochridge initially verbally expressed concerns about the safety and quality of the Titan submersible to OceanGate executive management, but those concerns were ignored. Lochridge “identified numerous issues that posed serious safety concerns, and offered corrective action and recommendations for each.” Lochridge was particularly concerned about “non-destructive testing performed on the hull of the Titan” but he was “repeatedly told that no scan of the hull or Bond Line could be done to check for delaminations, porosity and voids of sufficient adhesion of the glue being used due to the thickness of the hull.” He was also told there was no such equipment that could conduct a test like that.
After Lochridge issued his inspection report, OceanGate officials convened a meeting on January 19, 2018, with the CEO, human resources director, engineering director, Lochridge, and the operations director.
Per the complaint:
At the meeting Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the Engineering department—the viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters. Lochridge learned that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“PVHO”) standards. OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters.
For reference, the Titanic is estimated to sit on the ocean floor at a depth of nearly 13,000 feet.
Paying passengers wouldn’t know or be informed about Lochridge’s concerns, according to his complaints. They also wouldn’t be informed “that hazardous flammable materials were being used within the submersible.” Lochridge expressed concerns about the Titan again. But OceanGate didn’t address those concerns, and Lockridge was fired. The case between Lochridge and OceanGate didn’t advance much further, and a few months later the two parties settled.
As of Tuesday, the Coast Guard said that 10,000 square miles have been searched since the Titan submersible went missing Sunday afternoon. Five people are said to be on board, and the submarine had the capability to be underwater for about 96 hours, according to The Guardian.
Missing Titanic Sub Once Faced Massive Lawsuit Over Depths It Could Safely Travel To | The New Republic
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Rose65
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Well they certainly have the adventure now. I hope they are rescued in time and that the rescuers are safe. This is an incredible waste of everyone's time and money.
Rose65
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Me too. Life has enough problems without us making more.
hollydolly
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I'm going to presume if they are found... and lets' hope they are found alive.. that they will be paying for this very expensive rescue of boys and their toy...
I only know two things for certain; 1.) I will never be considered a wealthy tourist, and 2.) books will be written about this expedition, possibly with a movie generated as well.
Having to sign a “death waiver” with OceanGate would have been an instant deal-breaker for me, even had I the funds to consider the expedition…
Having to sign a “death waiver” with OceanGate would have been an instant deal-breaker for me, even had I the funds to consider the expedition…
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I just read something chilling. 
Mr. Harding was a big explorer and had gotten a ride on Bezos' spaceship. He also almost died from altitude sickness after exploring Antarctica with Buzz Aldrin. But those aren't the chilling things. The article (Washington Post) states:
"The Briton also holds three adventure-related Guinness World Records, including “longest time spent traversing the deepest part of the ocean on a single dive” for a 2021 excursion to the Mariana Trench that lasted 4 hours 15 minutes."
Mr. Harding was a big explorer and had gotten a ride on Bezos' spaceship. He also almost died from altitude sickness after exploring Antarctica with Buzz Aldrin. But those aren't the chilling things. The article (Washington Post) states:"The Briton also holds three adventure-related Guinness World Records, including “longest time spent traversing the deepest part of the ocean on a single dive” for a 2021 excursion to the Mariana Trench that lasted 4 hours 15 minutes."
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OneEyedDiva
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HD after seeing the diagram you posted of the vessel, then reading others' comments about its history and a "death waiver" makes going on this
expedition seem even crazier to me. They didn't even have seats?!! No door on the bathroom?!! Gaming controller?!! Locked in from the outside?!! Oh HE
NO 
expedition seem even crazier to me. They didn't even have seats?!! No door on the bathroom?!! Gaming controller?!! Locked in from the outside?!! Oh HE
NO
Beezer
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My Aunt's grandson went skydiving for an 18th birthday party of a friend about 2 years ago.
The instructor who was tied to him landed on him when they hit the ground. He's paralyzed from the waist down for life. The poor kid didn't even want to participate, but his friends convinced him to do it with the rest of them.
The instructor who was tied to him landed on him when they hit the ground. He's paralyzed from the waist down for life. The poor kid didn't even want to participate, but his friends convinced him to do it with the rest of them.
hollydolly
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...and at the risk of repeating myself... all for a cool £250,000HD after seeing the diagram you posted of the vessel, then reading others' comments about its history and a "death waiver" makes going on this
expedition seem even crazier to me. They didn't even have seats?!! No door on the bathroom?!! Gaming controller?!! Locked in from the outside?!! Oh HE
hollydolly
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OMG that's terrible.
My daughter goes sky diving occasionally.. nothing bad has ever happened, and it's always been on my bucket list to do it.. despite being afraid of heights.
How did the instructor fall on him.. he's trained to fall... and has your relative sued... ?
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there's a lot of truth in that old adage ''live by the sword die by the sword''... I am hoping that if these people are rescued , that they show some common sense in the future and stop taking these hedonistic dangerous trips..I just read something chilling.
"The Briton also holds three adventure-related Guinness World Records, including “longest time spent traversing the deepest part of the ocean on a single dive” for a 2021 excursion to the Mariana Trench that lasted 4 hours 15 minutes."
Beezer
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My relatives looked into a lawsuit, but these fly-by-night operations have very little money or insurance and you sign a waiver before you jump. The Community did a fundraiser for him.
Didn't get all of the details of the accident. Be leery of skydiving...think it over twice.
JustDave
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Not sure either, but we laid cable across the Atlantic years ago, and have at times hauled it up for repairs. It comes up loaded with barnacles and other attached life. Not the whole cable of course but sections, which would be over two miles long in many places. I"m not sure how thick that cable was but it was insulated, which would at least double the thickness. While the sub is heavy, it's much lighter under water.
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As officials race against time to save five people aboard the missing Titanic submersible, an immersive new video show how deep it could be.
The clip, created by Spanish animation company MetaBallStudios, gradually descends through a digital underwater scenescape.
As it goes, the heights of multiple landmarks are depicted in the water, including the Eiffel Tower, the Statue of Liberty and Burj Khalifa, the world's tallest building.
Eventually, the camera reaches 12,000 feet (3,700 metres) down – the depth of the remains of the Titanic at the bottom of the North Atlantic.
The clip, created by Spanish animation company MetaBallStudios, gradually descends through a digital underwater scenescape
Maximum depth: 13,123 ft (4,000m)
Capacity: Five people (one pilot and four crew members)
Pressure vessel material: Carbon fibre and titanium
Overall dimensions: 22ft x 9.2ft x 8.3ft high (670cm x 280cm x 250cm)
Weight: 23,000 lbs (10,432 kg)
Speed: 3 knots
Life support: 96 hours for five crew
The clip, created by Spanish animation company MetaBallStudios, gradually descends through a digital underwater scenescape.
As it goes, the heights of multiple landmarks are depicted in the water, including the Eiffel Tower, the Statue of Liberty and Burj Khalifa, the world's tallest building.
Eventually, the camera reaches 12,000 feet (3,700 metres) down – the depth of the remains of the Titanic at the bottom of the North Atlantic.
The clip, created by Spanish animation company MetaBallStudios, gradually descends through a digital underwater scenescape
TITAN SUBMERSIBLE SPECIFICATIONS
Maximum depth: 13,123 ft (4,000m)
Capacity: Five people (one pilot and four crew members)
Pressure vessel material: Carbon fibre and titanium
Overall dimensions: 22ft x 9.2ft x 8.3ft high (670cm x 280cm x 250cm)
Weight: 23,000 lbs (10,432 kg)
Speed: 3 knots
Life support: 96 hours for five crew