If they bring back covid restrictions will you comply this time around?

chic said:
No. It's a fact the "vaccine" did not work like a traditional vaccine because it isn't one. It's experimental gene therapy. A traditional vaccine would protect the inoccoluated from the disease for which it had been given. Masks don't work because it says so right on the package.

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Chic a mask like that is more about not spreading the virus, if the wearer is sick it helps contain the virus. It's such a simple thing to slip a mask on, I'm not sure why people are so reluctant.

While nothing is 100% effective, I'm not willing to die on a hill of unused mask.
 

the masks have a very low effectiveness rate many studies/ experts have shown.......
there are BIG differences in mask quality or effectiveness and only one use and discard not as i see everywhere hanging in a car for months ... just in case
the vaccine has had its own problems in bad and long term reactions............. to regards to not stopping transmission or making the illness easier.....
they cannot prove a negative ( prove you would have had it worse except the shot) Pharma sells many shots based on a negative claim they cannot prove ..
those with vaccine may not have had it worse without it .... REMEMBER from the very start some people had few or NO symptoms or problems ... the Asymptomatic we were told is WHY we all needed masks

i look around and one of the greatest things they did was create division and fear of your fellow neighbor / citizen.
many many more people who are afraid of going out / strangers / germs and virus some to the point of real issues.
The mask issue may be they need to go thru warehouses full they did not use ... follow the money....

if a place requires a useless mask .......i could put the one shoved in a pocket on but will know it is purely symbolic for those who believe the sky is falling
 
Yes. After restrictions lifted i noticed i got more 'colds' again. (Had none during heaviest restriction period). So i started wearing one during winter again in stores, cleaning my hands before and after visits to stores. i had long kept sanitizing wipes in purse and car, so doing that first time no problem and i've continued it.

For those of you think that if masks and vaccines worked there would be no need. That shows an incredible limit to your knowledge about such things. Dang near everything that 'lives' including both viruses and bacteria, evolves/mutates.

This is why new flu vaccines each year--they do so at a faster rate than others. Another factor is how little regard for others some people show when they ill: They go out--sneeze cough without covering their faces; sneeze into their hands and then handle products without cleaning their hands (this is why if no mask at the time i'll sneeze, cough into my elbow. Keeps it from projecting thru air and off my hands.

Do as you please, but realize that while vaccinated people still sometimes got Covid--it was usually milder and they survived even older folks and those with other health issues. Whereas unvaccinated people were more likely to die from it. (Despite the conspiracy theories to contrary).

Also realize that just as i have a right to avoid people who reek of alcohol or go shopping with guns strapped to their hips in the midst of even an epidemic i also have the right to avoid those who don't mask up, crowd up close to others etc. While i would only speak to someone if they were crowding me or actually sneezed/coughed on me. It would impact my opinion of their character.
 
Myrtle said:
I was sure I answered this. It's probably in some thread where it makes no sense. :rolleyes:

I would wear a mask if I had to go to the doctor's office or hospital. That's mostly the places where I wore masks before.

I don't have to go to work so I have more flexibility than many.

I think I said that any politicians who force masks or shots again can probably count on losing their next race.

If someone was genuinely uncomfortable with me because of no mask I would put it on. Kindness is best.
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rest easy new vaccine out today....cdc will take care of us
 
As far a putting on a mask, only if it is required in a medical setting. I always used straight EverClear to sanitize my hands leaving my house and again upon entering. I use it before and after I touch my face. I also use hand sanitizer entering a grocery store and again leaving. If everyone did this, then even colds and flu would be on the decrease.

All mask did was keep folks from unconsciously wiping their nose with their index finger. Observe folks, especially during the fall or spring allergy seasons, and you will see them doing this. The mask didn't help those that pulled it up to itch their nose or their eyes with their virus laced fingers. Mask also help catch snot from dripping noses.

It does little if anything to stop virus from breathing, coughing, or sneezing. The distancing was smart since most virus even after a hard sneeze, dissipates within a couple of feet. Three feet is ample and if you have to cough or sneeze, do it in your elbow. Six feet was extreme. Virus laced water droplets from sneezing will die rapidly on hard surfaces, whereas virus laced mucus on hard surfaces can last in some cases for days. Virus cannot live without a host.

I won't get any more boosters unless required for medical attention. I had the first three, but refused the fourth. They neither hurt or helped me. Another thing I do is take an antiviral twice daily to block any uprising of the zoster virus, and that keeps my immune system strong to fight other virus. I am considered to have a compromised immune system. I get my senior dose flu vaccine yearly. If they put the covid booster in it, then I will get it, but if I have a choice, no covid booster.

Nothing in the covid injections chemical composition, impresses me as being effective against any virus. It isn't of the same science as the flu and shingles vaccines which are effective.

Thanks to my antiviral regimen along with vitamins and my fanatical hand sanitizing with EverClear, I haven't had allergies, flu, colds, covid, or any viral outbreak for 10 years. Before that, I was plagued with fever blisters, two colds a year, and flu at least once. I say do whatever makes you feel safe, but don't impose your regimen on others or think of non maskers as evil people.

Stress with kill you, so worry, fear, or anger against others is a bigger thread than covid.
 
Myrtle said:
It is not comforting to me to know that the government wants to take my right to make my own decisions away and make them for me. Freedom to decide vs big daddy government making my decisions for me is at the root of these disagreements but you are correct that it is fruitless arguing about it.
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Firstly, please know that I'm not trying to start a fight/argument at all. It's just that we have a different opinion on this one, and I want to express it.

Here's my perspective. Personal freedoms are very important, and we should all be afforded them. At the same time, unless you live in some remote cabin without neighbors, we also exist in a society, with other people. I didn't so much wear a mask for myself, but I was compelled to for others. It was, in my view, the right thing to do for the society I live in. I simply don't know the details of the people I'm around, whether they're immune-depleted or not, who they're going home to, etc. In wearing a mask, I didn't feel I was giving anything up, I was just being a good citizen for the possible benefit of us all.

Politics is a whole other ball game. However, I was certainly in no position to judge whether Covid-19 was fatal or not, how badly it affected others, or the best way to protect both myself and my loved ones. I also have a respect for science and little for what most of what Social Media says/does. At the end of the day, the cost of my wearing a mask was nothing, and as such, why wouldn't I? Just because the direction came from the government? Not for me.

People have died for our freedoms which were hard won. But I don't think they were earned off the back of not taking precautions during a pandemic. Just saying.

And again - not trying to start anything or accuse you or a stance, these are just my thoughts on the topic highlighted.
 
chic said:
Everybody I know caught covid at least once whether they took precautions or not, were vaccinated or not. Sadly this doesn't tell us much. :unsure:
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interesting, since it is estimated that about 107 million Americans have had the virus, out of about ~330 million. Also, over 1.1 million deaths from covid. I've never had it, nor has my SO. We both had Moderna shots and at least one booster.

Covid deaths

YMMV
 
Alizerine said:
I did not have to make some of the difficult decisions some of you had to make. No job to consider. No kids in school. But my grown son (age 53) had to make the most difficult decision of his life. Pre-vaccine he was in great pain with what turned out to be internal bleeding.

We were ready to leave for the ER when I called them to check on procedure. They said you must drop hm at the door and no visitation. He said he didn't want to die alone, and he wasn't going.

The next day I made an appointment with a visiting service thar was supposed to replicate the ER. They told me to make appointments with a couple of specialists. He died three days later. There are so many unbelievably sad stories.

I don't have any answers. I chose to get the vaccinations and boosters.
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I am so sorry for your loss. Please accept my sincere condolences
Alizerine.
 
Raddragn said:
I shudder to think of the thousands who might have been saved but instead got sucked in by the conspiracy theorists and did nothing to protect themselves, so they died. Sad
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Yes... it is very sad and I am appalled at the stuff being churned out by those who refuse to understand how a virus mutates.
They refuse any education on the subject and continue to
spread misinformation.
 
VaughanJB said:
Firstly, please know that I'm not trying to start a fight/argument at all. It's just that we have a different opinion on this one, and I want to express it.

Here's my perspective. Personal freedoms are very important, and we should all be afforded them. At the same time, unless you live in some remote cabin without neighbors, we also exist in a society, with other people. I didn't so much wear a mask for myself, but I was compelled to for others. It was, in my view, the right thing to do for the society I live in. I simply don't know the details of the people I'm around, whether they're immune-depleted or not, who they're going home to, etc. In wearing a mask, I didn't feel I was giving anything up, I was just being a good citizen for the possible benefit of us all.

Politics is a whole other ball game. However, I was certainly in no position to judge whether Covid-19 was fatal or not, how badly it affected others, or the best way to protect both myself and my loved ones. I also have a respect for science and little for what most of what Social Media says/does. At the end of the day, the cost of my wearing a mask was nothing, and as such, why wouldn't I? Just because the direction came from the government? Not for me.

People have died for our freedoms which were hard won. But I don't think they were earned off the back of not taking precautions during a pandemic. Just saying.

And again - not trying to start anything or accuse you or a stance, these are just my thoughts on the topic highlighted.
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Well said, thank you.
 
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