Female surgeons being assaulted

Sippican said:
I agree, businesses typically are against middle-aged white men. These diversity sessions in the workplace typically target middle-aged white men. You rarely see videos portraying women or minorities being the aggressor.

Funny, women don't want to be looked at BUT, they dress provocatively, wear makeup, low cut blouses, high heels, all things to get people to look, then cry sexual harassment when a man they don't think is cute looks at them. BUT, given a good looking man looks their way, they are flattered and put themselves in a situation to get more attention from that person.
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Yes, I think younger women are a thing of beauty and I do gaze upon that beauty. Then I also gaze upon butterflies and my beloved swallows which I often post about, the ticking time of life. Then I gaze at the beauty of the horses outside, the countryside, lakes, rivers and mountains and the flowers in blossom that dance in the breeze. Even the occasional Aston Martin.
That must make me a multi, multi, pervert.
 
Avon said:
Yes, I think younger women are a thing of beauty and I do gaze upon that beauty. Then I also gaze upon butterflies and my beloved swallows which I often post about, the ticking time of life. Then I gaze at the beauty of the horses outside, the countryside, lakes, rivers and mountains and the flowers in blossom that dance in the breeze. Even the occasional Aston Martin.
That must make me a multi, multi, pervert.
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You got me at Aston Martin. No, never a 'gaze', intense envious scrutiny.
 
Sippican said:
Actually, it has become honest.
Disagreement should not be viewed as disgraceful, but enlightening. Dialog is a good thing.
Just because something offends someone, doesn't mean they are right.
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Alas Sippican, that is how the Woke movement works, by trying to suppress the views of others by showing perceived moral indignation and self-hurt.
 
Avon said:
Alas Sippican, that is how the Woke movement works, by trying to suppress the views of others by showing perceived moral indignation and self-hurt.
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true, if I got offended by my views on here, I would be driving myself crazy!
I encourage disagreement, many times there is a learning process that comes with it.

Many times, early on, you can see the depth of knowledge people have and more importantly, how much and quality of information they are willing to take as fact without digging deeper.
 
Sippican said:
I get the shouting. Trying to make a point, but, it actually it focuses on the shouting rather than the content.
"Men "being men" isn't "bad." It just is."...where did that come from?
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Meaning anatomy is destiny except when progressed by logic, intelligence and humanity. Wish I had time to get into that, am really in rush to get ready for AccessARide to get me to grandson
 
Late to the thread. Am I surprised by this? Absolutely not. Sadly, it should have been expected. This is the dynamic of the world at large. Women anywhere could be having to put up with all kinds of issues when it comes to males who work with them. I've seen this work on both sides in my work life.
 
Sippican said:
I agree, businesses typically are against middle-aged white men. These diversity sessions in the workplace typically target middle-aged white men. You rarely see videos portraying women or minorities being the aggressor.

Funny, women don't want to be looked at BUT, they dress provocatively, wear makeup, low cut blouses, high heels, all things to get people to look, then cry sexual harassment when a man they don't think is cute looks at them. BUT, given a good looking man looks their way, they are flattered and put themselves in a situation to get more attention from that person.
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OK, you reminded me on one point .. it was "diversity"training ..... And you corrected me on another ... it was sexual harassment .. [not assault] .... Thanks for both .
 

A Vincent van Gogh Painting Stolen From a Dutch Museum Three Years Ago Has Just Been Returned—in an Ikea Bag​

The 1884 painting was stolen from the Singer Laren museum in 2020 and returned by an anomalous person. It is believed to have been too hot to handle by the criminal underground. Sept12 2023.
So a thing of beauty has been hidden from view for three years, which begs the question of how younger women will feel when men no longer bother to look at them for fear of political correctness gone mad.
 
Old Salt said:
Boy, I must say I am being re-educated in this Forum! I must be the last of the innocents. During my lifetime I have seen plenty of men lean forward during a conversation and put their hands on a man's or woman's knee and never thought anything of it! As a matter of fact I was greatly upset when one of my favourite humorists was "outed" for doing just that. "What in heaven's name is the world coming to?" Condemning an innocent act like that.

But listening to your (women's) reactions I am starting to change my mind. My daughter is helping with this gradual conversion. I had a heated discussion with her about those so-called sexual "attacks" and she told me: "Dad, you will never understand. You are not a woman!" So this is my promise, I will be a lot more hesitant about making fun of things that, to me, until now seemed harmless!
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Dear Old Salt, I think you are an innocent and most women would recognize that and not take offence over your slight knee touch. The cases I was talking about were situations where I would be facing the man, usually with my legs crossed, wearing a skirt that would have been knee length while standing but a few inches above the knee while sitting and the man would have leaned toward me and put his entire hand around my thinly stockinged knee and kept it there until I said, "Don't touch me."

I've even have men put their hand around my ankle while I was sitting and talking, or both hands around my waist while I was standing as though they were measuring it. This was all, of course, when I was much younger and very slim, I sometimes think it was unconscious on the man's part.

So some touch is predatory, some is innocent, but OfficerRipley's mother had it right. It's safest to keep your hands to yourself unless you're trying to help her up off the floor after a fall.

When it comes to hugs, I've told my son to always let the lady make the first move.
 
Will the men responding in this thread please raise their hands if they have ever actually been se xually assaulted?
 
Avon said:
You are catching up with the looney brigade Old Salt.

Unseen sexism: A man holding a door open for a woman (file photo)

Unseen sexism: A man holding a door open for a woman (file photo)

Men who open doors for women are guilty of 'benevolent sexism' according to a new study by feminist psychologists.

Worse by a mile, never offer to give up your seat on public transport as you might get a loud response of sex1st sick basket.

Never walk on the traffic side of a walkway with a female, as that may cause a similar response. A hang up from horse and cart days and possible puddle splashing.

Helping the ladies choose the right computer as well as carrying their shopping are also signs of 'unseen' saxism in society, according to the report.

Referring to a group of men and women as 'guys' is also a no-no, says the research, meaning that even men who seem enlightened could be unknowingly committing daily acts of saxism.

It could also mean that women, too, are unaware of it but are unwittingly affected because it helps to create a culture of women being seen as the vulnerable sex who need a man's help.

Other examples of unseen saxism include calling women 'girls' but not referring to men as 'boys' and a man offering to do the driving on a long journey instead of a female partner.
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Oh God, I am a dyed-in-the-wool sexist! I did all those things thinking I was being a cavalier! How can I ever atone for my wrongdoings?
 
David777 said:
As someone that has been in the military during war and worked in a list of corporations over decades, none of this surprises me nor that over my lifetime such has become more commonplace in this godless era. What is new is social and news media can much more readily bring such behaviors into the public light. The outing of religious perverts in recent decades was just the tip of a monstrous homo sapiens behavioral iceberg.

Many men, especially those in power and physically larger stronger, have always used force for secks if they thought they could get away with whatever. One need not look any further than our secks sells mindset film and tv media. Much worse now for the sake of misguided notions of "freedom" is all the foul pornographic materials, that feeds uninhibited imaginations with many addicted to embarrassing disgusting secret perversions. Just like Pavlov's dog, due to neural plasticity, one becomes what what experiences and does including in secret imaginations.
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I think David is so right about this. Young people, with still growing brains, are watching things online that no one should ever see. I read an article that said a lot of young men today are choosing not to date young women at all. They prefer to do their "dating" by watching certain videos online. Real women are, well, too real for them.

They've been doing this since they were 13 years old and can't make the transition to the ordinary women they meet at work.

Before he was put to death Ted Bundy told his friend, the writer Ann Rule, that it all began for him with what was in magazine form at that time, and as years passed he went into reading, then acting out, deeper and deeper weirdness.
 
Bella said:
Will the men responding in this thread please raise their hands if they have ever actually been se xually assaulted?
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Yes, as a child it was the norm. As I have posted before, poor shell-shocked men dressed in raincoats and bras and panties. Men trying to get us/me into their cars, and I was good at biting. The guy in the public toilet masturbating and ejaculating right in front of my face, me being that height, while asking me if I had seen this. Went out and told my Stepdad but he would not go in, reckon perhaps my birth father would have.
Then every time I drove my sports car past the Kaiser Bond factory, they made women's underwear, girls hanging out the windows howling and wolf-whistling. Then in my later 50 years of age life and I often had to visit the Convent School, the girls were as bad.
Then men in public toilets, large groups of men engaging in homosexual activities around me. My wife hates me going in, but that is not stopping me from having a pee.
But have I moaned about any of it in my life, no.
 
I for one think many instances of innocent touching ect have been blown out of proportion... why do these women surgeons stay quiet?
if they have a sharp instrument in hand one could mark their aggressor of course that would be a big issue to explain it was self defense vs assault with a weapon.

The reality is unless it is quickly reported and investigated it becomes a question of exactly what happened. I have seen far too many stretches of imagination of what an item was.

i can say the same for many overblown offences ....

I worked with a woman and when a young man had an issue with another co- worker( they had dated and jilted GF wanted him fired) ..
my co-worker jumped on the me too band............ even though the only thing this guy ever did to her was grab her arm as she was about to step in the path of an car moving too fast for a parking lot ... she was looking at her phone not paying attention ... but to her it was sexual assault???????

Which brings a question with many many stories / headlines.... especially with female aggressors warning signs or reports are not always followed up on ? women often abuse more times or more victims because they get a benefit of doubt and when caught often a 1/3 the sentence for their acts.........

Seriously some men are not comfortable to be alone with a female in case a misunderstanding or god forbid the man opens a door for you or offers to help in any way. either we are equals and can take care of ourselves .........OR we hide behind "one report i will ruin your career" type of outrage.... it often does not even have to be true....
 
Bella said:
Will the men responding in this thread please raise their hands if they have ever actually been se xually assaulted?
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Hands up! I was, along with another twenty boys or so, in a home for starving children! The nurse (female) would come around every night and feel our *******s with the excuse that she had to check if we were wearing our underwear to sleep in. I had been warned about her strange habit from the moment I got to the home! But here is the embarrassing part: every single boy was looking forward to the nightly grope! In my and the other boys defense we were anywhere between 9 and twelve years old. I guess male nature IS fundamentally different!
 
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Welcome to the new world where everyone is gay and nothing is funny anymore.
 

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