Article: "Aging Americans Face Bleak Futures Unless We Let New Immigrants Help"

[officerripley]

From the article: "...America’s aging population is exploding and the unmet demand for the caregivers elderly citizens rely on is becoming increasingly pronounced in rural areas and smaller cities and towns where nearly half of all Americans live."

To read the rest: Aging Americans Face Bleak Futures Unless We Let New Immigrants Help

 

[Robb.hisself]

From the article: "...America’s aging population is exploding and the unmet demand for the caregivers elderly citizens rely on is becoming increasingly pronounced in rural areas and smaller cities and towns where nearly half of all Americans live."

To read the rest: Aging Americans Face Bleak Futures Unless We Let New Immigrants Help

The assumption here is that hiring immigrants to do care giving is affordable to all. Actually, it is not. I cared for my elderly mom for 14 years and we could never afford to hire anyone. The best caregiver are family members. Family members give the best care. The best care is not provided by someone who is exploited for their cheap cost. No, I don't think cheap care givers are the best solution to fulfilling the need for care givers. It is better for the elderly to be cared for by someone who cares.

 

[officerripley]

It is better for the elderly to be cared for by someone who cares.

That, of course, depends on them even having someone who cares; more and more of the elderly have never had children (or did have children who are unable or willing to care for them). People just aren't having the big, supposedly happy families that they used to.

 

[David777]

Strongly disagree with that manipulative linked article that members really cannot address herein because the reasons special interest business and political groups are creating such news is primarily political and Wall Street corporation motivated. There are already way way too many "immigrants" in our overpopulated country and planet that has had a significant bearing on many current issues like insane rising housing costs, reductions in available low end housing, homelessness, crime, the ever growing wage gap, and inflation.

 

[Lethe200]

I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree with David777. I fail to see how immigrants are responsible for the wage gap, inflation, or homelessness, let along rising RE costs and low end housing. I certainly don't recall Venezuelan or Haitian immigrants (the two largest recent immigrant groups) making zoning and permit regulations of the type that a certain wealthy mostly-white CA suburban city recently tried to use to bar an affordable housing project from being built within their borders.

All industrialized First World countries are aging, some of them EXTREMELY rapidly. With a declining birth rate that now spans multiple generations, it is clear that relying on unpaid family care is not a viable solution. We should not open our borders to all and everyone, but it is a fact that our immigration process has been broken for a very long time, and Congress has done nothing to fix it in any substantive manner.

As a consumer economy, we require services: both skilled immigrant labor - the majority of rural doctors are immigrants who came to the US for medical training, and agreed to work in our country for a specific time as 'payback' - and unskilled migrant labor, such as construction and agriculture. We need entrepreneurs, as Silicon Valley wouldn't exist without them, as you will recall. Small business is one of the biggest economic drivers, and immigrants open new businesses in overwhelming proportions.

We are not so much overpopulated as a country, as we are excessively wasteful. There are only seven countries in the world capable of exporting food, and we are the #1. We are also one of the few countries capable of being energy self-sufficient, if needed. What is needed are services, in which immigrants have always played a large role, not just here but throughout history.

Many people here are familiar with my experiences with finding a good seniorcare facility for my MIL, who had moderate dementia. Almost all the lower-level staff were Hispanic - the people who had the day-to-day responsibilities that kept her healthy, safe, and comfortable. It's hard work, and we greatly appreciated them.

 

[Nathan]

The assumption here is that hiring immigrants to do care giving is affordable to all. Actually, it is not. I cared for my elderly mom for 14 years and we could never afford to hire anyone. The best caregiver are family members. Family members give the best care. The best care is not provided by someone who is exploited for their cheap cost. No, I don't think cheap care givers are the best solution to fulfilling the need for care givers. It is better for the elderly to be cared for by someone who cares.

Family members do give the best care, and are the least expensive. They also get severely burned out. My wife's brother and his wife currently take care of their dad, who's got advanced dementia. Changing dad's wet and poopy drawers several times a day is taking a toll.
Sometimes such duties are best performed by paid caregivers.

 

[Paco Dennis]

The assumption here is that hiring immigrants to do care giving is affordable to all. Actually, it is not. I cared for my elderly mom for 14 years and we could never afford to hire anyone. The best caregiver are family members. Family members give the best care. The best care is not provided by someone who is exploited for their cheap cost. No, I don't think cheap care givers are the best solution to fulfilling the need for care givers. It is better for the elderly to be cared for by someone who cares.

Be it family members or not. Misa cared for a woman who was 86 for 3 years. Misa cared and developed a strong loving relationship with her. Professional care would of cost $500 a day. Misa made $150 for 24 hours. ( stayed all night ). We have enough people in our country to fill these positions but our cost of living is so high, who can afford to take this kind of work, unless they live like peasants?

 

[Pepper]

New York has a wonderful program. Family paid to be caregivers:
Getting Paid as a Caregiver in New York
"Yes, New York residents can be paid as family caregivers, but they must meet their program’s eligibility requirements."

 

[Sippican]

I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree with David777. I fail to see how immigrants are responsible for the wage gap, inflation, or homelessness, let along rising RE costs and low end housing. I certainly don't recall Venezuelan or Haitian immigrants (the two largest recent immigrant groups) making zoning and permit regulations of the type that a certain wealthy mostly-white CA suburban city recently tried to use to bar an affordable housing project from being built within their borders.

All industrialized First World countries are aging, some of them EXTREMELY rapidly. With a declining birth rate that now spans multiple generations, it is clear that relying on unpaid family care is not a viable solution. We should not open our borders to all and everyone, but it is a fact that our immigration process has been broken for a very long time, and Congress has done nothing to fix it in any substantive manner.

As a consumer economy, we require services: both skilled immigrant labor - the majority of rural doctors are immigrants who came to the US for medical training, and agreed to work in our country for a specific time as 'payback' - and unskilled migrant labor, such as construction and agriculture. We need entrepreneurs, as Silicon Valley wouldn't exist without them, as you will recall. Small business is one of the biggest economic drivers, and immigrants open new businesses in overwhelming proportions.

We are not so much overpopulated as a country, as we are excessively wasteful. There are only seven countries in the world capable of exporting food, and we are the #1. We are also one of the few countries capable of being energy self-sufficient, if needed. What is needed are services, in which immigrants have always played a large role, not just here but throughout history.

Many people here are familiar with my experiences with finding a good seniorcare facility for my MIL, who had moderate dementia. Almost all the lower-level staff were Hispanic - the people who had the day-to-day responsibilities that kept her healthy, safe, and comfortable. It's hard work, and we greatly appreciated them.

First and foremost they are here illegally. They have committed a crime against American.
2) they fill the streets with filth and reduce major cities to lower than third world countries.
3) These 'immigrants' are from all over the world walking across or borders. Terrorists are finding it easy to come to America, collect a monthly check, free food, free housing, free medical under the cover of 'immigrant'.
4) The drug cartel has owned the border for some time, sending their mules to further disintegrate the sanctity of the United States
5) MS13 now populates much of the cities and commit rape, murders, and violence to American citizens.
6) They steal social security numbers and collect more money (besides they government handout) and ruin the elderly as they try to retire.
7) They cost billions every year to hospitals and state and local governments.
8) money transfer companies are reporting record cash movement between the US and countries around the world, especially Mexico. Illegals are collecting free money and send it back to their families. Why? Because we taxpayers supply them with everything they need for free.
I could go on and on about how phony the argument is for illegals when you use the term 'immigrant' as if it was some plight suffered by people that were truly needy and looking to better themselves through hard work and being upstanding citizens. Those days are long behind us.
Countries are emptying their jails and send them to the US border. That should tell you something about the quality of 'immigrants' we are getting. Recently we spent billions in other countries to strengthen their borders from illegals, but we have open borders for the world.

The reason this is all happening now?
Because they are creating a new voting block that are willing to trade votes for cash. It is that simple.

 

[hearlady]

I'm curious about the aging immigrant population. Many immigrant seniors who paid little to nothing in social security over the years that will need care.
I knew an immigrant preacher who's health was declining. He went to social security to see how much his monthly benefit would be and it was some low number under $100 dollars a month. I think it was $24.
He will have to work until he dies.
It's neither here nor there on the cause because ultimately, we will be having to care for the many aging immigrant seniors.

 

[Pepper]

The overwhelming majority of new immigrants are seeking asylum. Like it or not, those who are are here legally. If they lose their asylum case it is then that they become illegal.

 

[VaughanJB]

First and foremost they are here illegally. They have committed a crime against American.
2) they fill the streets with filth and reduce major cities to lower than third world countries.
3) These 'immigrants' are from all over the world walking across or borders. Terrorists are finding it easy to come to America, collect a monthly check, free food, free housing, free medical under the cover of 'immigrant'.
4) The drug cartel has owned the border for some time, sending their mules to further disintegrate the sanctity of the United States
5) MS13 now populates much of the cities and commit rape, murders, and violence to American citizens.
6) They steal social security numbers and collect more money (besides they government handout) and ruin the elderly as they try to retire.
7) They cost billions every year to hospitals and state and local governments.
8) money transfer companies are reporting record cash movement between the US and countries around the world, especially Mexico. Illegals are collecting free money and send it back to their families. Why? Because we taxpayers supply them with everything they need for free.
I could go on and on about how phony the argument is for illegals when you use the term 'immigrant' as if it was some plight suffered by people that were truly needy and looking to better themselves through hard work and being upstanding citizens. Those days are long behind us.
Countries are emptying their jails and send them to the US border. That should tell you something about the quality of 'immigrants' we are getting. Recently we spent billions in other countries to strengthen their borders from illegals, but we have open borders for the world.

The reason this is all happening now?
Because they are creating a new voting block that are willing to trade votes for cash. It is that simple.

Ouch. Really sad to see this type of rhetoric here. There's enough hate in this world, does it have to seep into every place on the net?

For the record, capitalism REQUIRES the impoverished, the poor, and the working man in order to function. THAT is why it continues. Everyone knows how Apple make their products, but they still buy them. People know clothes are made in factories abroad by the poor - but as long as the prices are low, who cares? And, as I know from personal experience, there'd be a real problem in the construction business in Texas if it weren't for illegals.

 

[Pepper]

And, as I know from personal experience, there'd be a real problem in the construction business in Texas if it weren't for illegals.

Texas? Not just Texas, many places. Immigrants are especially needed for farmwork; produce would rot in the fields without them.

 

[VaughanJB]

Texas? Not just Texas, many places. Immigrants are especially needed for farmwork; produce would rot in the fields without them.

I've lived and worked abroad in Australia, the US, Germany, etc. In other words, I've BEEN the immigrant. Then you have the old guys (mostly old guys) who go to places such as Thailand as effective sex tourists and think nothing of the exploitation. Yet, if one of those people come to where we are - arms are raised and screaming incurs. It's a level of hypocrisy I can't fathom. When I went to Germany I spoke no German - it's TOUGH. Like really tough.

You think many of these people like leaving behind their families, children, loved ones? You think, all things being equal, they'd choose to leave the culture they grew up in to come to a country that is unfamiliar? First world nations take advantage of third world countries, but if someone from that country wants to come here, there are complaints.

Does anyone really think people are leaving behind everything they know, everything they have, in order to get in a boat and sail across an ocean when they know they might not make it and will end up drowning, in order to apply for benefits somewhere else? Seriously?

I don't know man....

 

[Sippican]

Ouch. Really sad to see this type of rhetoric here. There's enough hate in this world, does it have to seep into every place on the net?

For the record, capitalism REQUIRES the impoverished, the poor, and the working man in order to function. THAT is why it continues. Everyone knows how Apple make their products, but they still buy them. People know clothes are made in factories abroad by the poor - but as long as the prices are low, who cares? And, as I know from personal experience, there'd be a real problem in the construction business in Texas if it weren't for illegals.

It may be sad, but you can't argue with the truth.
You are right, "REQUIRES the impoverished, the poor, and the working man in order to function."....but, to hide behind the premise that these illegals(criminals based on our own laws) are here to better themselves, by-in-large is false.
They are here to intentionally be a burden on American taxpayers. Every bulleted item I described is factual.
These are not the same people that came over through Ellis Island back in the country building days. No, they are criminals first and foremost. They kill Americans trying to protect the border with the help of the US government. Now, you would think that sounds outrageous. And it is. But it is factual. One only has to look at the Fast and Furious program implemented that knowingly gave weapons to drug cartel that were used to a kill border guard.

I know, many like to hide behind a facade of goodness, kindness, rainbows and butterflies, but the fact is we are on a course for a Socialist/Communist country. This is well documented by known scholars to the point there is a 'handbook' that describes to infiltrate the capitalist US government and turn it into a Marxist country.
You can say 'no', but facts are facts.

 

[Sippican]

I've lived and worked abroad in Australia, the US, Germany, etc. In other words, I've BEEN the immigrant. Then you have the old guys (mostly old guys) who go to places such as Thailand as effective sex tourists and think nothing of the exploitation. Yet, if one of those people come to where we are - arms are raised and screaming incurs. It's a level of hypocrisy I can't fathom. When I went to Germany I spoke no German - it's TOUGH. Like really tough.

You think many of these people like leaving behind their families, children, loved ones? You think, all things being equal, they'd choose to leave the culture they grew up in to come to a country that is unfamiliar? First world nations take advantage of third world countries, but if someone from that country wants to come here, there are complaints.

Does anyone really think people are leaving behind everything they know, everything they have, in order to get in a boat and sail across an ocean when they know they might not make it and will end up drowning, in order to apply for benefits somewhere else? Seriously?

I don't know man....

Working abroad is far from being an immigrant. You weren't there out of desperation.
actually, yes, these families do intentionally leave their families behind, Once they get a free lifestyle here in the US as an illegal, they send money back to their families because all their needs are being taken care of by the US taxpayer.
Because there is no control of who comes across, there are terrorists, murders, rapists, MS13, all coming in to terrorize our cities and legal citizens.
So, in your mind doing something illegal is justified as long as its perceived as a noble cause? The looting across America is ok? Because hey, they are just trying to feed their families, right?
I'm not trying to get you to agree, I'm just stating factual information that is documented.

 

[VaughanJB]

It may be sad, but you can't argue with the truth.
You are right, "REQUIRES the impoverished, the poor, and the working man in order to function."....but, to hide behind the premise that these illegals(criminals based on our own laws) are here to better themselves, by-in-large is false.
They are here to intentionally be a burden on American taxpayers. Every bulleted item I described is factual.
These are not the same people that came over through Ellis Island back in the country building days. No, they are criminals first and foremost. They kill Americans trying to protect the border with the help of the US government. Now, you would think that sounds outrageous. And it is. But it is factual. One only has to look at the Fast and Furious program implemented that knowingly gave weapons to drug cartel that were used to a kill border guard.

I know, many like to hide behind a facade of goodness, kindness, rainbows and butterflies, but the fact is we are on a course for a Socialist/Communist country. This is well documented by known scholars to the point there is a 'handbook' that describes to infiltrate the capitalist US government and turn it into a Marxist country.
You can say 'no', but facts are facts.

Thanks for the reply, but I'm not going there. I clearly don't like your politics, your assessment, or your opinion on this. So I think it best to leave it there. We agree to disagree.

 

[Sippican]

Texas? Not just Texas, many places. Immigrants are especially needed for farmwork; produce would rot in the fields without them.

The cost of letting crops rot would still be cheaper than the 100's of billions illegal criminals cost the taxpayers.

 

[Sippican]

Thanks for the reply, but I'm not going there. I clearly don't like your politics, your assessment, or your opinion on this. So I think it best to leave it there. We agree to disagree.

I agree with you on that, but you cannot deny the factual information I described. Typical of a certain mindset.

 

[VaughanJB]

Working abroad is far from being an immigrant. You weren't there out of desperation.

No, it's being an immigrant. It's someone from one culture coming along, not speaking the language (in the case of Germany) and taking a job from a local. I was well aware of what I was doing. I was an immigrant. Based on this sentence, it suggests you're okay with immigrants, but not immigrants without a job already in place.

Either way, as I expressed in my last message a few seconds ago - I see no point or benefit from discussing this further with you. We'll agree that we can't reach a consensus on it. Personally, I refuse to hate people who haven't had the benefits I've had.

 

[Michael Z]

Legal immigrants coming here to work perhaps. But illegal immigrants receiving all kinds of government (taxpayer) money won’t help me.

 

[Jackie23]

From the article: "...America’s aging population is exploding and the unmet demand for the caregivers elderly citizens rely on is becoming increasingly pronounced in rural areas and smaller cities and towns where nearly half of all Americans live."

To read the rest: Aging Americans Face Bleak Futures Unless We Let New Immigrants Help

I agree, I have had immigrant help for years, with no problems whats so ever, they are hard working and honest, they appreciate the work and I appreciate their help. I see many here working in construction and farming/cattle raising around here. This is rural country, I see no criminals among the Mexicans in my community.

 

[Paco Dennis]

Another very sad story here. These destitute humans having to pay to get smuggled into Texas. What a horrid risk they have chosen.

17 Illegal Immigrants Found Underneath Flatbed Trailer​

Sep 14, 2023
DPS Special Agents and Texas Highway Patrol Troopers discovered more than a dozen illegal immigrants concealed underneath a flatbed trailer in Webb County. They pulled over the tractor trailer hauling the flatbed and a search revealed 17 illegal immigrants, including one juvenile. All were found inside a box container underneath the flatbed without proper ventilation. The 17 illegal immigrants were referred to Border Patrol. The driver is a confirmed Tango Gang member and was arrested and charged.

 

[Pepper]

I was in my local playground yesterday. A lovely older woman, younger woman, and her three little boys were there. They are staying at a brand new 'Sleep Inn' hotel. The hotel has never had any other 'guests' but the new immigrant families.

They were from Venezuela. I speak bad Spanish and the women spoke bad English, but we got our points across. The boys were beautifully behaved.

I live with a lot of Russians. Basically can't stand them. They're here under the radar in droves. Some are funded by oligarchs who will own them forever in order to pay for their apartments.

 

[VaughanJB]

I was in my local playground yesterday. A lovely old woman, younger woman, and her three little boys were there. They are staying at a brand new 'Sleep Inn' hotel. The hotel has never had any other 'guests' but the new immigrant families.

They were from Venezuela. I speak bad Spanish and the women spoke bad English, but we got our points across. The boys were beautifully behaved.

I live with a lot of Russians. Basically can't stand them. They're here under the radar in droves. Some are funded by oligarchs who will own them forever in order to pay for their apartments.

I have an eqyptian couple living near me, I see them every now and again in passing. They appear to speak no English, but they try hard to have a big smile, to pet the dog, and to generally get along. Who am I to complain about them? In fact, I know virtually nothing about them.