Biker Gang Shootout Texas, 9 Dead

We have a biker gang here in Chicago that sponsor a "Toys for Tots" program every year at Christmas.. for disadvantaged kids. AND guess who the are! They are the Hells Angels..

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Cookie said:
Aren't motorcycle clubs are very different from biker gangs, since the gangs kill each other and participate in illegal drug trade and underworld activities, while biker clubs are just a bunch of older guys finally living their dream of being able to afford the bike they always wanted in their youth.
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Unfortunately a lot of people don't make a distinction when envisioning the groups, so, the negative labels carry over as where you have people including biker bars in the mix with biker gangs, not one in the same either.
 
Yes, the Hells Angels have started to look quite respectable, they've been around so long they're almost an institution, but don't be too fooled, they are still questionable and have their own motives.
 

Yes, that sort of thing occurs over here too but some bikers clubs are heavily involved in importation of drugs and illegal guns. Some have been declared outlaw gangs and the members are no longer allowed to congregate wearing their colours.
 
A quote by a Canadian person:

"The hells angels are a criminal orgizination; don't let the fact that they do charity events, donate money and help people fool you. These guys kill people, they are heavily into drug trafficking, they also prostitue little girls and committ tons of fraud. I would say 99% of hells angels are criminals, deviants and bad news all around, that's not to say that you have a few guys in there just riding because thats what they love do and woulndt commit a crime. I happen to know 2 hells angles memebers; one of them is the nicest guy you can meet, however if you cross him he will beat the **** out of you and he's heavily into the drug scene. The second guy I know is an accountant for them and he's in hidign right now due to tax fraud."
 
Cookie said:
Yes, the Hells Angels have started to look quite respectable, they've been around so long they're almost an institution, but don't be too fooled, they are still questionable and have their own motives.
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This is the sort of confusion, I was referring to, not all biker groups and bars have an affiliation with Hells Angels. Not even sure where they come into the mix of what QS or I were referencing if this is what you are talking about. ????

Added note, I haven't any love for the Hells Angels no matter what they do charity wise.
 
April, QS was mentioning that Hells Angels did charity work, so I was agreeing that is the case, however, does not mean they aren't criminals. I would still consider Hell's Angels a criminal GANG.

Are you still confused? To me it seems obvious. Not all biker clubs are gangs. There are motorcycle CLUBS, whose members are motorcycle enthusiasts, they buy a motorcycle and ride around and go to bars, etc. where they meet others of like mind. Then there are the bike GANGS which participate in criminal activities. Two totally different animals, in my mind. People could easily confuse them if they dress in a similar fashion.

Shali, sweet dreams, and you'll feel better once you are rested! :sleeping:
 
Jim, are you sure you have actually read what I have written, you seem to have misunderstood. There's nothing to disagree with. We are both saying the same thing. I never said good motorcycle club members pack guns and knives, did I? I'm not even making any specific point other than what we have all read in the news and know to be true.

To reiterate:

1. There are two types of groups: motorcycle gangs and motorcycle enthusiast type clubs.
2. The enthusiasts don't kill, they are more like hobbyists.
3. Criminal motorcycle gangs kill and carry weapons
4. The current shoot-out was obviously a GANG shootout, and I agree, hobbyists don't usually carry weapons and kill.
5. Gangs like Hells Angels have infiltrated into society and do some good works, but they still carry out criminal activities.

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Some news from the scene.

-170 arrested, many with participating in a criminal enterprise.

-Crime scene still being processed almost 24 hours later.

-All kinds of weapons used including brass knuckles, guns, knives, chains

-Blood everywhere including trails of blood from those trying to escape.

-The restaurant franchise owner wouldn't shut down or not allow the bikers to "meet" as requested by police who knew in advance something was going to happen.

-The Twin Peaks chain pulled the restaurant owner's franchise rights.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/dead-170-arrested-biker-gang-gunfight-waco-texas/story?id=31117791

I guess wearing the uniform of the gang means one is an active member in the gang and must take responsibility for gang activity wether criminal vs legit or knowingly or unknowingly. But I would find hard to believe members didn't know of at least one crime committed by the gang even if speeding or a drug sale.

Also note the picture of many gang members waiting to be processed sitting and texting on cell phone?
 
Cookie said:
April, QS was mentioning that Hells Angels did charity work, so I was agreeing that is the case, however, does not mean they aren't criminals. I would still consider Hell's Angels a criminal GANG.

Are you still confused? To me it seems obvious. Not all biker clubs are gangs. There are motorcycle CLUBS, whose members are motorcycle enthusiasts, they buy a motorcycle and ride around and go to bars, etc. where they meet others of like mind. Then there are the bike GANGS which participate in criminal activities. Two totally different animals, in my mind. People could easily confuse them if they dress in a similar fashion.

Shali, sweet dreams, and you'll feel better once you are rested! :sleeping:
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Cookie, I missed seeing where QS made mention of the Hell's Angels, which post was that in this thread? I'll try to read through again, but, I have to admit, I must have skipped over it, if so, my apologies to you and a wet noodle to me.
 
Cookie said:
Jim, are you sure you have actually read what I have written, you seem to have misunderstood. There's nothing to disagree with. We are both saying the same thing. I never said good motorcycle club members pack guns and knives, did I? I'm not even making any specific point other than what we have all read in the news and know to be true.

To reiterate:

1. There are two types of groups: motorcycle gangs and motorcycle enthusiast type clubs.
2. The enthusiasts don't kill, they are more like hobbyists.
3. Criminal motorcycle gangs kill and carry weapons
4. The current shoot-out was obviously a GANG shootout, and I agree, hobbyists don't usually carry weapons and kill.
5. Gangs like Hells Angels have infiltrated into society and do some good works, but they still carry out criminal activities.

/'nuf said?
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My bad Cookie....'cuse me. As to "outlaw" motorcycle gangs, cancel the exterminator, let the rats kill the rats.
 
No matter Jim and April, LOL, bad bikers will kill each other off. Now I must be off on my new Harley, Varrrroooooommm, Varrrrooooommmm!
 
AZ Jim said:
Well as long as no innocents were hurt.......
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Butterfly said:
At least they're shooting at one another . . . tidies up the gene pool?
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Don M. said:
Gang Members shooting other Gang Members....sounds like a Great Idea to me. If I could be assured that these Biker and Drug gang members would only use their weapons on Each Other, I would gladly donate some guns to the cause.
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I agree, if they just target each other, it'll help clean up the streets and remove some gang members from the mix.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I agree, if they just target each other, it'll help clean up the streets and remove some gang members from the mix.
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And nobody sees any problem with this?

News this morning is that a member of the Bandidos who is holidaying in Thailand has had his Australian residency visa cancelled on "character grounds". He is now stranded and will have to return to the UK whence he came.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-...d-overseas-as-government-cancels-visa/6479656

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tranded-Thailand-government-cancels-visa.html

I would prefer action be taken against trouble makers rather than just allow them to slaughter each other in the streets.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
And nobody sees any problem with this?

News this morning is that a member of the Bandidos who is holidaying in Thailand has had his Australian residency visa cancelled on "character grounds". He is now stranded and will have to return to the UK whence he came.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-...d-overseas-as-government-cancels-visa/6479656

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tranded-Thailand-government-cancels-visa.html

I would prefer action be taken against trouble makers rather than just allow them to slaughter each other in the streets.
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Honestly, yes, it reminded me of something I've heard referenced to other groups of people, but, I'm getting maxed out at this point and yes, shame on me, I accept the call out.
 
Shalimar said:
Cookie, Leather Ladies Looking For Trouble, don't forget we are meeting up with April and Annie!
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And this is how it always happens that I get into trouble, ole innocent sweet as pie me, :bowknot:minding my own business tending to my knitting blankest for babies, and then the wild things, (women,) come drag me out of the home on to the open road to wreck havoc. Alright then, but, I'm wearing stiletto heeled boots and bringing my whip. Oh wait, I'm with Cookie, a nap first, like a 12 hour one maybe.
 
Oops, sorry guys, I lied. I was watching Victoria Day fireworks display in the park across the street. Very nice. Anyway, where were we?
Oh yes, ready to rumble in the morning. :eek:fftobed:
 

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