Are more people on this forum getting e-bikes?

retiredtraveler

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I see that about a year and a half ago, there was a thread on e-bikes. I thought to take it up again because of an incident we had over the weekend. Wife and I do some biking, but have no interest in e-bikes. However, we have no issues with people getting them as long as they follow the speed rules that some trails have.
Anyway, we were putting up our bikes after doing the ride, and we were parked next to a couple putting up their bikes, both of which were e-bikes. A contingent of bikers from a local bike club (in full jersey and bike short regalia) rode by shouting 'CHEATER BIKES, CHEATER BIKES'!
I'm a bad person, so I found this rude, and loud, comment somewhat humorous. :( The e-bike couple seemed to take it in stride and the contingent just kept on riding by. So, this made me think of what I see on the trails as an e-bike 'explosion'. I don't know if this is happening over the pond or not.
 

No they're illegal in this country
Is this a false posting then????

Mar 01, 2023Eilis Barrett
Electric bikes are classified as ‘electrically assisted pedal cycles’, or EAPCs so are perfectly legal to ride as long your ebike meets the DVLA's EAPC rules. The key ones to obey are:
  • The pedals must be in motion for electric assistance to be provided
  • A maximum power output of 250W
  • No electric assistance over 15.5mph.

Rules electric bikes don't need to meet​

That's what the bike has to do. Here's what you don't need:
  • You don't need a licence, as with a non electric bike.
  • There's no legal need to register, tax or insure the bike.
  • You don't need special permission as EAPC-compliant ebikes are classed as a normal pedal bike. They can be ridded on any private or public property where a standard bicycle is allowed - including cycle paths.
Finally, you must be aged 14 or above to ride an electric bike. The age limit for mopeds is 16 but electric bikes are less powerful.

The rules for faster ebikes​

If your ebike is above the 15.5mph or 250w limit, it's called a speed pedelec, or s-pedelec and is counted as a motorcycle or moped. The manufacturer must have UK government approval. And you'll need to register and tax it, have a driving licence to ride it and wear a crash helmet while doing so. These pedelecs may even have mirrors, horns and number plate lights. You mustn't use them on cycle lanes.
 
I heard they are one of the fastest growing forms of e-waste there is. College town nearby goes through fits with one e-bike rental company after another. They end up left all over the place, dead ones don't get picked up quickly or at all, etc.
 
Is this a false posting then????

Mar 01, 2023Eilis Barrett
Electric bikes are classified as ‘electrically assisted pedal cycles’, or EAPCs so are perfectly legal to ride as long your ebike meets the DVLA's EAPC rules. The key ones to obey are:
  • The pedals must be in motion for electric assistance to be provided
  • A maximum power output of 250W
  • No electric assistance over 15.5mph.
Oopps sorry..I was thinking of Electric scooters..E-scooters...
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I have a chainless shaft drive bike that is smooth as silk.
Picked it up about 20yrs ago. Thing is I don't ride it much these days.
But it is wonderful to have as needed or if things go south in the petrol supply chain of things.

I've looked at e-bikes and found the ones that interest me cost as much as a small motorcycle or 50cc scooter.
Not only that but the e-bikes weigh as much as 60lbs or more.
I haven't pulled the trigger on one and doubt I likely will ... unless maybe I ride one and can't resist :p

My chainless shaft drive bike: See, no chain to catch on pants or smear grease on trousers.
I doubt you'll ever see one and I don't even know where to buy one anymore ... but I love it !!!
The 7-speed shaft drive is said to be equivalent to a 21-speed conventionally geared bike.
And riding it, seems about right. Thing is, with shaft drive, it can be shifted to any gear at any time ... even when stopped.
And it will start right into that gear selected. SOooo effortless and smooth. Did I mention I love it :ROFLMAO:

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Oopps sorry..I was thinking of Electric scooters..E-scooters...
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We have these rentals everywhere. Helmets are mandatory; no one wears one. Only one rider; often see two people. Park in a spot that doesn’t interfere with pedestrians; so help me, one of these days I’m going to kick them off a narrow sidewalk. Lots of other rules that don’t get obeyed.

Sorry, got off topic. No, I don’t want an electric bike. Our speed limits are 32 kph. There’s lots of rentals and privately owned. They’re awfully expensive. No interest for me, though I can appreciate people having these as their mode of transportation. You’d sure want a very secure place to lock it at your destination.
 
I have a chainless shaft drive bike that is smooth as silk.
Picked it up about 20yrs ago. Thing is I don't ride it much these days.
But it is wonderful to have as needed or if things go south in the petrol supply chain of things.

I've looked at e-bikes and found the ones that interest me cost as much as a small motorcycle or 50cc scooter.
Not only that but the e-bikes weigh as much as 60lbs or more.
I haven't pulled the trigger on one and doubt I likely will ... unless maybe I ride one and can't resist :p

My chainless shaft drive bike: See, no chain to catch on pants or smear grease on trousers.
I doubt you'll ever see one and I don't even know where to buy one anymore ... but I love it !!!
The 7-speed shaft drive is said to be equivalent to a 21-speed conventionally geared bike.
And riding it, seems about right. Thing is, with shaft drive, it can be shifted to any gear at any time ... even when stopped.
And it will start right into that gear selected. SOooo effortless and smooth. Did I mention I love it :ROFLMAO:

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Interesting. I looked them up. A number of pros/cons. More cons as they are heavier, more expensive, and difficult to get parts. You've mentioned the pros. The main problem is that they move at a 'steady pace'. You can't downshift on a hill, you can't upshift going downhill ( to go faster). But, they are out there and if you don't need versatility (meaning you only ride them in relatively flat areas all the time, possibly for a commute), they'll do the job nicely. I see e-bikes as good for commuters. We have an increasing number of people commuting to work on bicycles and an e-bike (a.k.a. 'cheater bike') is a great alternative.
 
Yes, love it, love it, love it!!
This is the best thing I bought in retirement!
I don't have to get in my car every day, I can meander around town, stopping to talk with people, go to the beach, the docks, and the general store to get some wine, pies, and some freshly cut steak for dinner. Have saddlebags I put on when grocery shopping.
Usually its early evening when the heat of the day has gone down. I don't look at it as not exercising because I walk about 3-4 miles every morning then workout another 30 minutes.
Its a mode of transportation. I rarely pedal, don't need to.
Top speed is about 25mph, but you can change a setting to get 30mph if you wanted. I barley go 8-10 mph, although if I want to get home quickly, I can zip around pretty fast.
I bought an extra battery so I can always have one fully charges. Very careful on battery charging.
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Interesting. I looked them up. A number of pros/cons. More cons as they are heavier, more expensive, and difficult to get parts. You've mentioned the pros. The main problem is that they move at a 'steady pace'. You can't downshift on a hill, you can't upshift going downhill ( to go faster). But, they are out there and if you don't need versatility (meaning you only ride them in relatively flat areas all the time, possibly for a commute), they'll do the job nicely. I see e-bikes as good for commuters. We have an increasing number of people commuting to work on bicycles and an e-bike (a.k.a. 'cheater bike') is a great alternative.

The shaft drive bikes are SLIGHTLY heavier. But only a pro biker would take notice.
Plus the frame on mine is aluminum and much lighter than a steel bike so there's that as far as size and weight.
And those are 700 series tires. Not heavy cruiser or off road tires. I've never wished I had those larger heavier tires either.

Shifting is no problem ... up shift, down shift, uphill, downhill. Shift at ANY time to ANY gear ... virtually instantly.
No chain lag, slop and what ever else is encountered chaining and shifting a conventional bike.
Parts? ... had my bike for 20yrs and never needed any drive train parts. None. Not one.
Keep the drive lubed internally with bearing grease and good to go ... for decades+
The effortless smoothness into and out of any gear at any time, lack of required maintenance or periodic adjustments is AWESOME.

No idea of course where you got your information. Mine is from seat on the saddle and hands on the bars.

I read what you typed and thought, he can't be talking about a shaft drive bike. Not the shaft drive I have anyway.
In my experience, I've found no cons ... unless someone thinks the fact you have to pedal it is a con :p

Not only can you shift at any time, including when standing still.
Gone is the frustration of trying to downshift from a high gear when you bike to the top of a hill.
Just twist and you can go instantly to any gear without even needing to roll.
But also ... due to most bikes not being properly tuned at all times, the overall efficiency in the shaft drive system is better than what most bikers will ever experience with a chain drive.

The most interesting part of riding a shaft drive bike (other than all the attention it gets from people who notice its lack of a chain) is the noise it makes: NONE. The bike is SILENT other than the sound of the tires on the road. When coasting, there is not tick-tick-tick-tick sound of the chain. When you shift, there is no clunk and the chain jumps to the next gear.

Oh and my shaft drive bike weighs 29lbs. Maybe too heavy for some, not me that's for sure.
Lighter than many hybrid, cruiser and some off road bikes but heavier than road bikes. Good ones anyway.
Drive train is enclosed / sealed. I can ride in any kind of filth, condition or environment without worry or extra maintenance. It's a dream.
And no power outlets required. When power goes out or in the boonies, I can still go for endless miles and miles ... and then continue not to worry about an outlet.

The shaft drive on my bike is a Suxxex 3rd generation shaft drive system.
"Our new generation of shaft drive uses bevel gears made of heat treated cromoly, paired with high quality sealed cartridge bearings coupled to a steel shaft rod – all sealed inside a lightweight, durable alloy housing."

I can easily understand why a bike dealer would want nothing to do with, not recommend, or have a shaft drive bicycle.
There is little or nothing to be made off maintenance and adjustments or needed parts after sales, such as with a chain drive multi-speed bike.

My Schwinn 7-speed Cruiser Supreme from the late 90's
I GAVE it away. Guess which bike it couldn't hold a candle to or keep up with not even close? ;)

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... the red shaft drive bike ... but I'd kind of worn that Schwinn out. Was hard to keep tuned. I loved it for a time. Cool bike.

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Interesting. I looked them up. A number of pros/cons. More cons as they are heavier, more expensive, and difficult to get parts. You've mentioned the pros. The main problem is that they move at a 'steady pace'. You can't downshift on a hill, you can't upshift going downhill ( to go faster). But, they are out there and if you don't need versatility (meaning you only ride them in relatively flat areas all the time, possibly for a commute), they'll do the job nicely. I see e-bikes as good for commuters. We have an increasing number of people commuting to work on bicycles and an e-bike (a.k.a. 'cheater bike') is a great alternative.
They are heavier because of the batteries, but that is only a problem if you need to carry them up flights of stairs. Expensive? I paid 1,700 and an extra $250 for an additional battery. Parts? Easy, depending on the make and model, but my Aventon is readily available, although not sure what parts I would need.
Actually, you can downshift and upshift. It has 8 speeds, and 5 electric speeds. It senses the amount of peddling you are doing and supplies more or less power, or, you can use all power.
Hills, no problem, depending on the grade. It will slow down on hills to about 10-15mph, again depending on the hill.
There is nothing 'cheater' about ebikes. Its a mode of transportation.
 
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Good point o
We have these rentals everywhere. Helmets are mandatory; no one wears one. Only one rider; often see two people. Park in a spot that doesn’t interfere with pedestrians; so help me, one of these days I’m going to kick them off a narrow sidewalk. Lots of other rules that don’t get obeyed.

Sorry, got off topic. No, I don’t want an electric bike. Our speed limits are 32 kph. There’s lots of rentals and privately owned. They’re awfully expensive. No interest for me, though I can appreciate people having these as their mode of transportation. You’d sure want a very secure place to lock it at your destination.
Good point on the security aspect Jules.

I have insurance on accidents and theft.
In order to have the insurance you have to only use the insurance companies approved bike locks (its a long list)
I also have an AirTag on the bike for an added level of security.
The insurance is $100 a year.
I also changed out any 'quick release' connections so parts can't be taken off easily.
 
We have these rentals everywhere. Helmets are mandatory; no one wears one. Only one rider; often see two people. Park in a spot that doesn’t interfere with pedestrians; so help me, one of these days I’m going to kick them off a narrow sidewalk. Lots of other rules that don’t get obeyed.
Exactly the same here.. but not usually rented..despite them being illegal. Yesterday was aghast, I saw a woman, on an illegal E-scooter, going very fast.. on the road... with a toddler holding on in the front.. and the mother was Holding a phone in her right hand...

They're everywhere,yet despite being illegal the police do nothing..
 
As an avid cyclist I didn't see the sense of them at first, but have come to an acceptance in certain situations. Once I retired I started riding with some guys who like me have aged out of our local cycling clubs, a few of these old timers ride ebikes. So I changed my view on them, if it takes an ebike to keep seventy years olds out there enjoying themselves I'm all for it.

Funny story. First ebikes I started seeing here in Ohio were being ridden by the Amish. There we'd be on a club ride chugging up some steep hill at six miles an hour and a twelve year old Amish kid on an ebike would pass us right by. Made me envious.
 
As an avid cyclist I didn't see the sense of them at first, but have come to an acceptance in certain situations. Once I retired I started riding with some guys who like me have aged out of our local cycling clubs, a few of these old timers ride ebikes. So I changed my view on them, if it takes an ebike to keep seventy years olds out there enjoying themselves I'm all for it.

Funny story. First ebikes I started seeing here in Ohio were being ridden by the Amish. There we'd be on a club ride chugging up some steep hill at six miles an hour and a twelve year old Amish kid on an ebike would pass us right by. Made me envious.
I never really looked at it like a bicycle.
Sure it has pedals and two wheels with a chain and gears, but thats where it stopped for me.
I see a mode of transportation that is better than getting in my car, burning gas or getting on my motorcycle and rumble around the neighborhood.
The best investment I made for being a useful tool in retirement.
 
The Toronto bike share program has a 24/7 rental system, with over 9000 bikes and over 700 pick up locations across the city. The fleet is now transitioning from pedal bikes to e-bikes. Rates are based on either a 30 minute use, or you can buy reduced cost weekly, monthly, or yearly plans. All transactions are done electronically. Toronto has a lot of bike only lanes on major streets across the city that are physically protected by barriers for rider safety. Here is a link to the program.

link. Bike Share Toronto - Convenient, Affordable & Fun Transportation JImB.
 
I see that about a year and a half ago, there was a thread on e-bikes. I thought to take it up again because of an incident we had over the weekend. Wife and I do some biking, but have no interest in e-bikes. However, we have no issues with people getting them as long as they follow the speed rules that some trails have.
Anyway, we were putting up our bikes after doing the ride, and we were parked next to a couple putting up their bikes, both of which were e-bikes. A contingent of bikers from a local bike club (in full jersey and bike short regalia) rode by shouting 'CHEATER BIKES, CHEATER BIKES'!
I'm a bad person, so I found this rude, and loud, comment somewhat humorous. :( The e-bike couple seemed to take it in stride and the contingent just kept on riding by. So, this made me think of what I see on the trails as an e-bike 'explosion'. I don't know if this is happening over the pond or not.
We have a couple of eBikes and sure, you can cheat on them and just use the motor. Just like you can cheat by driving a car instead of walking or riding a bike. But, you can also use the motor as just an assist. My bike weighs about 70 lbs. but I usually only put the assist up to #1 (it goes up to 9) so basically, I'm still peddling my behind off every time I ride it and I can get just as tired from riding it as someone without the motor can.

One of the best benefits of eBikes is that if you have to stop at an intersection, getting started again doesn't include the 'hop, hop, hop' thing as you get back on and push off, just turn the accelerator slightly and you're away. Or if you're going up a really steep hill, you don't have to gear all the way down (or is it up???) and then stand up on your peddles just so you can crawl up that really steep hill.

An eBike also means I can ride a lot further using that slight assist and the various gears, see more sights and I don't have to worry about being too exhausted to get home. eBikes are great.
 
May have been mentioned in this thread, but just in case — lithium-ion battery fires are a very serious problem with electric bikes.

“'Fire! Fire! Fire!’ The Perplexing, Deadly Electric Bike Problem.“​

“Malfunctioning lithium-ion batteries in the increasingly popular form of transportation have been linked to numerous explosions, blazes, and deaths—and little is being done to reduce the danger.”
'Fire! Fire! Fire!’ The Perplexing, Deadly Electric Bike Problem. - Consumer Reports
 


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