Israel Has Declared War after Unprecedented Hamas Attack

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I'm thinking of the great courage of doctors choosing to stay behind in the hospitals with very sick patients, the aid agencies who will bring the only lifelines to get people warm and fed. To save children, women and the aged who must be terrified and desperate.
These kinds of wonderful people ARE there, amongst all the darkness of evil, the light is there and eventually shall overcome.
 
An issue has arisen about the United States and Palestinian refugees.

It centers around a disagreement between those who think the United States should accept Palestinian refugees and those who don’t. Obviously it is a political disagreement as well as a concern for the American people so I will not be posting any links to either side.

I know people are worried about what will happen to Palestinians on a humanitarian level. Would you like to see them brought to the United States as refugees? Why or why not?

If talking about this is not ok with @Matrix I have no objection to my post being removed.
This is a very interesting question. I think the fact that there are no replies is because it is extremely sensitive right now and rightly so. I can already see it creeping into political speeches.
I appreciate you asking the question. I don't think it went unnoticed.
 

IDF has notified families of 199 people being held hostage in Gaza​

DF spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says the military has so far notified the families of 199 hostages that their loved ones are being held in the Gaza Strip.

Among the hostages that Hamas terrorists took to Gaza after the devastating assault last week are many elderly, children and women.

Hagari says the military has some information on the whereabouts of hostages being held by Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

“We are making valiant efforts to try to understand where the hostages are in Gaza, and we have such information,” Hagari says in response to a question at a press conference.

“We will not carry out an attack that would endanger our people,” he adds.

IDF has notified families of 199 people being held hostage in Gaza

Israel-Hamas war updates: Israel says "currently no ceasefire" agreed for foreigners to flee Gaza​


Jerusalem — Israel's government denied reports Monday that it had agreed to a ceasefire in at least the southern half of the Gaza Strip to allow humanitarian aid in and people with international passports to escape into Egypt, as the Israeli military continued hammering the Hamas-controlled enclave with missiles.

"There is currently no ceasefire," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said in a statement, dismissing reports that a deal had been brokered to enable foreign nationals massing near Gaza's Rafah border crossing with Egypt — along with thousands of Palestinian civilians — to flee.

Israel-Hamas war updates: Israel says "currently no ceasefire" agreed for foreigners to flee Gaza
 
The papers today are full of the ''horrific killings'' of 2 female Israel Soldiers ... and how cruelly they were killed by being shot by Hamas...

Much as any killings are upsetting..surely the killings of female soldiers shouldn't elicit any more sympathy than those of men..
 
This is a very interesting question. I think the fact that there are no replies is because it is extremely sensitive right now and rightly so. I can already see it creeping into political speeches.
I appreciate you asking the question. I don't think it went unnoticed.

Thanks for bringing it to the front again, hearlady. I don't know if it's that or if people simply don't care one way or the other if Palestinians are permitted to come to the United States as refugees.

At any rate there is active pressure to accept them and a counter effort to not permit it.

Setting aside the politics of the situation, I will ask again, would you be happy to have Palestinian refugees settled in America?
 
Thanks for bringing it to the front again, hearlady. I don't know if it's that or if people simply don't care one way or the other if Palestinians are permitted to come to the United States as refugees.

At any rate there is active pressure to accept them and a counter effort to not permit it.

Setting aside the politics of the situation, I will ask again, would you be happy to have Palestinian refugees settled in America?
I have no dog in this fight with regard Palestinians in America... but I do think it's perilously close to being the kind of Political discussion not permitted on the forum...
 
I have no dog in this fight with regard Palestinians in America... but I do think it's perilously close to being the kind of Political discussion not permitted on the forum...
Actually, you could have a dog in the fight because things that happen in America tend to also happen in England.

I realized that it is political (but it doesn't have to be discussed in that way) and that's why I put @Matrix in my first mention.

Perhaps I should have put @hollydolly instead. I don't know who is in charge of this forum. It is often confusing. If you don't want it discussed and want to take it down, so be it. Perhaps there is no interest anyway.
 
Setting aside the politics of the situation, I will ask again, would you be happy to have Palestinian refugees settled in America?
I am *so* going out on a limb here because I'm not as informed as I should be to give a valid answer... but you asked again, so I'll give it a try. (I personally don't think this is considered political at all... I think of that as the back and forth about our politicians, abortion, gun control, etc.)

So anyhow, refugees and families I'd have no problem with... my issue would come with how to vet. Like how easy would it be for Hamas members to infiltrate while pretending to be innocent Palestinians? That's how easy it would be to build a sleeper group in the U.S... or would there be no reason they'd want to be here?
 
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We already have many Palestinians in New Jersey and of course, my neighborhood. Thus far, there aren't problems I've heard of, except for a teenage Muslim boy who killed a local dancer because the dancer was gay. I don't know which country this boy came from, but this is the only incident I know of.
 
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Actually, you could have a dog in the fight because things that happen in America tend to also happen in England.

I realized that it is political (but it doesn't have to be discussed in that way) and that's why I put @Matrix in my first mention.

Perhaps I should have put @hollydolly instead. I don't know who is in charge of this forum. It is often confusing. If you don't want it discussed and want to take it down, so be it. Perhaps there is no interest anyway.
Unnecessary comment tbh..I was just giving my opinion of the question you asked, trying to prevent this thread from being pulled for being too domestically political ... however in future I will ignore your questions.
 
This is the moment an Israeli pathologist broke down as he described how a victim of last week's Hamas attack was burned alive while hugging his loved ones.

The pathologist is seen standing in front of a screen displaying the remains of the man who was killed during the October 7 massacres in southern Israel.

Dr Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Centre of Forensic Medicine, explains that the man whose remains are shown on the screen was burned alive in his home while hiding inside a shelter, thinking it would keep him safe from the terror attack.

However, he says, the man was killed when the terrorists set fire to his home. Reports have detailed how Hamas fighters, upon learning civilians were taking shelter inside safe rooms, set fire to their houses to either smoke them out or burn them alive.

In 31 years working as a forensic pathologist, 'I've never seen people that are conjoined together while they are burned trying to hug each other,' he says, before asking the cameras to stop filming as he is unable to continue speaking.

click here to see the video....of the pathologist talking..

Israeli medic breaks down while describing victims of Hamas attack
 
Unnecessary comment tbh..I was just giving my opinion of the question you asked, trying to prevent this thread from being pulled for being too domestically political ... however in future I will ignore your questions.
Is there a FAQ or something that lists what's political and what's not? I don't think a subject of Palestinian refugee placement is political at all. If that's taboo, then all the discussions about undocumented people pouring over the southern border would have to be erased. And all the threads about guns... there are many! And abortion... and... well, where would it stop?

I consider "no politics" to mean no heated debate about a presidential election, Supreme Court decisions... stuff like that. But if there's documentation about what's off limits, it would be beneficial for us to have access.
 
Is there a FAQ or something that lists what's political and what's not? I don't think a subject of Palestinian refugee placement is political at all. If that's taboo, then all the discussions about undocumented people pouring over the southern border would have to be erased. And all the threads about guns... there are many! And abortion... and... well, where would it stop?

I consider "no politics" to mean no heated debate about a presidential election, Supreme Court decisions... stuff like that. But if there's documentation about what's off limits, it would be beneficial for us to have access.
No I meant that by bringing it into ''America'' so to speak it could easily elicit a domestic political argument.. therefore potentially having the whole thread pulled.. that's all I meant... ...however if anyone wants clarity on the rules regarding political discussion PM @Matrix..
 
No I meant that by bringing it into ''America'' so to speak it could easily elicit a domestic political argument.. therefore potentially having the whole thread pulled.. that's all I meant... ...however if anyone wants clarity on the rules regarding political discussion PM @Matrix..
But again, so could discussions on the border and guns and lots of other things. Actually any "hot topic" has the potential to be called political and I'd hate having the job of sorting what to censor and what's okay. 'Tis a very fine and shaky line.
 
But again, so could discussions on the border and guns and lots of other things. Actually any "hot topic" has the potential to be called political and I'd hate having the job of sorting what to censor and what's okay. 'Tis a very fine and shaky line.
I answered a question...that poster didn't want to hear my answer...

....I don't make the rules here.. ..I was just saying that this has the potential to be pulled if it gets domestically political..thus far Matrix has been very patient with this thread... so if you want to know exactly what his stance is..PM him... what more can I say...
 
The foremost concern of western governments as the Israel-Hamas war enters a murderous second week is not the plight of Palestinians in Gaza. It is the alarming prospect of a swiftly spreading conflict pitting Israeli and US forces against Iran and its militia proxies. Recent, ominous signs suggest a rapid deterioration. Iran holds the key.

The two issues are intimately connected. Arab leaders told Antony Blinken, the visiting US secretary of state, that unless Israel’s mass casualty attacks on Gaza cease, the war may escalate uncontrollably. “If the Zionist aggressions do not stop, the hands of all parties in the region are on the trigger,” warned Iran’s foreign minister, Hossein Amir-Abdollahian.


But Israel will not be stopped. A high-risk, full-scale ground offensive into northern Gaza is imminent. Most western leaders surely wish it wasn’t happening. Even James Cleverly, Britain’s seriously clueless foreign secretary, has belatedly urged restraint. But amid continuing aftershocks from Black Saturday, they feel unable to prevent it.

Escalation begets escalation. The US says its decision to deploy a second aircraft carrier group in the eastern Mediterranean is intended to bolster Israel’s security and “deter any state or non-state actor” from widening the conflict. That vague wording conceals a world of anxiety about a possible head-on collision with Iran.

Iran is the “state actor” that controls and coordinates the “non-state actors” – Hamas and the militant group Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza; Tehran-affiliated militias in Syria, Iraq and Yemen; and the most powerful of them all, Lebanon’s Hezbollah (the “Party of God”). This is what Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, calls the “axis of resistance”.

Iran undoubtedly views the additional deployment as an American escalation. It appears to be placing its militias on notice that new war fronts may soon open up. Israel is already fending off daily, limited Hezbollah cross-border attacks in the north, and is warning of the “destruction of Lebanon” if the militia joins Hamas’s war.

The West Bank is another potential flashpoint amid rising levels of violence in the past week. In a further heightening of tensions, Israel is accusing Iran of deploying new weapons in or through Syria to create a second front. Syria claims Israel bombed Damascus and Aleppo last week.


What is Iran’s plan, assuming it has one? What does it want? These questions hold the key to the war. In the immediate aftermath of 7 October, US and Israeli officials were quick to say that there was no evidence, at present, to indicate Iran’s direct involvement. Too quick, perhaps. The suspicion was they wanted to avoid full-on confrontation at that very fraught juncture.

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No evidence yet of Iran link to Hamas attack, says Israeli military
 
I am *so* going out on a limb here because I'm not as informed as I should be to give a valid answer... but you asked again, so I'll give it a try. (I personally don't think this is considered political at all... I think of that as the back and forth about our politicians, abortion, gun control, etc.)

So anyhow, refugees and families I'd have no problem with... my issue would come with how to vet. Like how easy would it be for Hamas members to infiltrate while pretending to be innocent Palestinians? That's how easy it would be to build a sleeper group in the U.S... or would there be no reason they'd want to be here?
When Canada was accepting refugees from Syria, the rule was...Married men and women and their minor children. NO single males. These people were pre screened at UN refugee camps by Canadian officials. Part of that screening was done by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, with RCMP assistance. Was it 100 percent effective ? No. We still ended up with a few idiots, who made the mistake of thinking that once in Canada, they could continue to espouse Islamist rhetoric.
Some of them have been charged with various criminal code offences in Canada, brought to trial and convicted. Their right to stay in Canada was revoked, and they were deported.

link. MSN One recent example. JimB.
 
When Canada was accepting refugees from Syria, the rule was...Married men and women and their minor children. NO single males. These people were pre screened at UN refugee camps by Canadian officials. Part of that screening was done by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, with RCMP assistance. Was it 100 percent effective ? No. We still ended up with a few idiots, who made the mistake of thinking that once in Canada, they could continue to espouse Islamist rhetoric.
Some of them have been charged with various criminal code offences in Canada, brought to trial and convicted. Their right to stay in Canada was revoked, and they were deported.

link. MSN One recent example. JimB.
In the uk the illegal immigrants and refugees, are almost entirely young Single men and male children
 
Unnecessary comment tbh..I was just giving my opinion of the question you asked, trying to prevent this thread from being pulled for being too domestically political ... however in future I will ignore your questions.

Thank you. In return I will try to ask fewer questions.
 
This is the moment an Israeli pathologist broke down as he described how a victim of last week's Hamas attack was burned alive while hugging his loved ones.

The pathologist is seen standing in front of a screen displaying the remains of the man who was killed during the October 7 massacres in southern Israel.

Dr Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Centre of Forensic Medicine, explains that the man whose remains are shown on the screen was burned alive in his home while hiding inside a shelter, thinking it would keep him safe from the terror attack.

However, he says, the man was killed when the terrorists set fire to his home. Reports have detailed how Hamas fighters, upon learning civilians were taking shelter inside safe rooms, set fire to their houses to either smoke them out or burn them alive.

In 31 years working as a forensic pathologist, 'I've never seen people that are conjoined together while they are burned trying to hug each other,' he says, before asking the cameras to stop filming as he is unable to continue speaking.

click here to see the video....of the pathologist talking..

Israeli medic breaks down while describing victims of Hamas attack
It is too terrible for words.
 
A 90-year-old Holocaust survivor and a boy celebrating his fifth birthday were among the more than 1,400 victims of the October 7 Hamas terror attack in Israel.

While it is now ten days since the terror group stormed into Israel from Gaza, details are still emerging about the horrific rampage and of its many victims.

Gina Semiatich, a 90-year-old Czech-born Holocaust survivor, was tragically murdered in her home at Kibbutz Kissufim, less than two miles from the Gaza border.

According to reports in Israel, Semiatich was dragged from her home shelter by the terrorists and shot in the head in her living room.

'We had spoken to her just seconds before; she told us she was hiding in the shelter, scared,' her grandson said in the aftermath of the attack.

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ina Semiatich, a 90-year-old Czech-born Holocaust survivor, was tragically murdered in her home at Kibbutz Kissufim, less than two miles from the Gaza border

Another tragic victim of the attacks has been revealed to be a boy named Eitan, who according to Israel's official account on X (formerly Twitter), was celebrating his fifth birthday when he was killed by Hamas gunmen. 'Instead of celebrating his birthday, his parents will mourn their child's death on the day he was born for the rest of their lives,'
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Speaking to Haaretz, Shmulik Harel said 'Dozens of terrorists entered Kisufi and broke into houses' in the Kibbutz, home to fewer than 300 people.

'From outside they called 'IDF, IDF (Israel Defense Forces)' so that we felt safe and could come out. But the majority of residents suspected that something was wrong.'

He told the Israeli newspaper that he was on the phone with Semiatich just moments before the Hamas terrorists broke into her home. Once inside, they dragged her out of her shelter and executed her on her living room floor.

Semiatich's grandson Harel also described how, in Kissufim, 'terrorists entered homes, killed the residents and stayed there for hours. Meanwhile, they also continued to set homes on fire



'In one instance, a friend heard cries for help from elderly people, he covered himself with a sheet, and rescued them from the flames,' he said. 'They ravaged the houses, looted, killed and destroyed anything in their path.'

His is one of countless horrific stories that have emerged since the barbaric terrorist attack carried out by Hamas shook Israel to its core.

And since the army, police and other officials have moved in, even more atrocities have been uncovered, with reports of murdered children and babies.

Investigators are still finding bodies and piecing together the full picture of the violence that was carried out by the Palestinian gunmen against them.

A 90-year-old Holocaust survivor was among Hamas attack victims
 
When Canada was accepting refugees from Syria, the rule was...Married men and women and their minor children. NO single males. These people were pre screened at UN refugee camps by Canadian officials. Part of that screening was done by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, with RCMP assistance. Was it 100 percent effective ? No. We still ended up with a few idiots, who made the mistake of thinking that once in Canada, they could continue to espouse Islamist rhetoric.
JimB.
The US did that, too, though I don't remember that it was for Syria, or Syria alone....it might have been multiple M-E countries.

But anyway, one of the problems was that, soon as they attained resident status, these immigrants went to work getting family members over here, causing massive caseloads and a sudden back-log for INS.

And mistakes were made.

After 9-11, INS and Homeland Security were married in order to minimize mistakes, but that only increased caseloads, bureaucratic red-tape and a growing back-log.

This is why the path to citizenship in the US went from an average of 7 or 8 years (in the late 90s) to currently as long as 15 to 20 years, no matter the country of origin.

Meanwhile, a US citizen-to-be can help family members come over to visit them, and not report that they over-stayed their visit.
 
If you're traveling around Gaza these days, I suggest you wear your brown pants.

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The IDF is continuing to strike in the Gaza Strip. Over the last few hours, dozens of military command centers and mortar shell posts were destroyed. In addition, the operational command center of Ali Qadi, one of the commanders of the Hamas “Nukhba” commando forces who was killed several days ago, was struck. Furthermore, IDF fighter jets killed several Hamas terrorists inside of a military compound belonging to the Hamas terrorist organization.
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