Does "by the people, for the people " still stand as it did in Pres. Lincoln's day?

fancicoffee13

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Things are so construde this day that this came to mind. I know we have rights to vote and freedom here, but some of these rights are different today. Your thoughts.
 

fancicoffee13 said:
Things are so construde this day that this came to mind. I know we have rights to vote and freedom here, but some of these rights are different today. Your thoughts.
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My thought is that this one's going to get political real fast. 😟 For that reason, I'm gonna behave and not say the first thing that came into my head (which would absolutely be political! :giggle: )
 
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CallMeKate said:
My thought is that this one's going to get political real fast. 😟 For that reason, I'm gonna behave and not say the first thing that came into my head (which would absolutely be political! :giggle: )
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I apologize, I guess I forgot the rules and spoke before thinking.
 
In the last year of and years right after WWII our Generals and intelligence organizations learned a great deal. They returned alarmed, but as it turned out things were already too late for us. Before long our system was completely co-opted.
 
The world is a very different place than when those words were written. While one can stick to the premise, the way it is formed can't really compare. Just think of all the ways the world has changed, how people have changed. The things people want, the things people need. If drafted today, I think the Constitution may well be different.

But of course, it's not in the intent as much as the application. There's nothing heinous in the Constitution, but the application of how it is applied has changed a lot, with over a hundred years of law, society changing, and ideals being satisfied.

The biggest dangers to the fundamentals of the Constitution are now standing in clear sight. A lot of people don't seem to care about that, as long as they "win".
 
VaughanJB said:
The world is a very different place than when those words were written. While one can stick to the premise, the way it is formed can't really compare. Just think of all the ways the world has changed, how people have changed. The things people want, the things people need. If drafted today, I think the Constitution may well be different.

But of course, it's not in the intent as much as the application. There's nothing heinous in the Constitution, but the application of how it is applied has changed a lot, with over a hundred years of law, society changing, and ideals being satisfied.

The biggest dangers to the fundamentals of the Constitution are now standing in clear sight. A lot of people don't seem to care about that, as long as they "win".
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I was in Oxford when Margaret Thatcher's star was rising. I shut up, didn't want to engage. However, I appreciate your engagement, Vaughn. I think you got us right. Continue, please!
 
jujube said:
A huge law firm conglomerate here has the logo "FOR THE PEOPLE". Recently some of their billboards have started being vandalized, with "people" being slashed out and "money" being painted over it.

Turns out, they've been doing it themselves as a publicity stunt.

Hmmmm.
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Sort of in line with what @VaughanJB said, our Constitution can be lawfully amended for a changing society, but the problem is, our lawmakers are heavily influenced by corporate money, not The People they are supposed to represent.

I suppose that's the message that law firm was trying to get across.
 
Murrmurr said:
Sort of in line with what @VaughanJB said, our Constitution can be lawfully amended for a changing society, but the problem is, our lawmakers are heavily influenced by corporate money, not The People they are supposed to represent.

I suppose that's the message that law firm was trying to get across.
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I strongly believe it's just because they're a particularly greedy law firm......and being honest about it for a change.
 
I still don’t get the original point.


construed
interpreted or understood: Degrees from these “diploma mills” are often awarded based on vaguely construed life experience.
arrived at by inference or interpretation: Public interest must necessarily overlap with a correctly construed definition of “national interest.”
 

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