The " Arab Spring" re-visted

In reply to BEE :



The US did NOT bomb Libya they "offered ground support" (
(According to The Guardian )

Perhaps you would like to get a bit more knowledge , before you make statement such as that ?


The following is part of a CBS news report http://www.cbsnews.com/news/crisis-in-libya-us-bombs-qaddafis-airfields/

Updated 12:28 a.m.


*Three B-2 stealth bombers flying non-stop from the United States have dropped 40 bombs on a major Libyan airfield tonight in an attempt to destroy much of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi's air force, CBS News David Martin reports.


At the same time, US Air Force fighter jets conducted missions searching for Libyan ground forces to attack. No US aircraft were lost during the missions.
Libyan state TV is reporting that air strikes have killed 48 people and wounded 150 in "civilian areas." Libyan state TV is controlled by Muammar Qaddafi's government and it was impossible to confirm the reports of civilian deaths Saturday.
* A state department spokesman said no U.S officials remain in Libya. The state department has also advised all Americans in Libya to leave, and for everyone, even journalists, to avoid travel there.


* Al Jazeera reports that Libya has decided to suspend co-operation with Europe in the fight against illegal immigration, state TV citing a security official reported on Sunday.
 

i never said, and would never say, that America has done nothing wrong...

However.

if ANY, ANY wrong doing is pointed out about England :

" Go back to where you came from"


Pointless to have any discussion about this.

The English will always be defensive, and certainly have no understanding

of the American system of holding their Government to account
 

Perhaps this is true Bee... however, it's not too much unlike the anti-American sentiment we see here at times.. a whole lot more times in fact.. Lot's of "pots and kettles" here I may add.


Quicksilver, I have never posted anti-American posts on here, it takes me all my time to keep up with my own government without trying to keep up with someone elses government, in fact I very rarely post in the current news section only when Elyzabeth posts knocking the U.K. and then yes I admit she is like a red rag to a bull where I am concerned, because she has been proved wrong so many times in what she has to say about the U.K.
 
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Elzabeth , to the best of my knowledge, all your posts regarding Britain have been critical even of our way of voting!you can hardly be surprised, if you are always critical that people will say ' go home then , if it's so wonderful there'.
I have never stated any anti American things on here, or anywhere else for that matter, and have never heard any of my friends say anything critical about the US or the President. why would you say that David Cameron was raised in a wealthy bubble? a lot of politicians come from well off backgrounds in all countries, but it doesn't mean they can't do the job.


Excellent post Oakapple and thankyou
 
My countries are both America and the UK


Was America dropping bombs on Libya?

I think it was just the "raised in a wealthy bubble" Prime Minister David Cameron

that insisted on dropping bombs on Libya.. which should not have been done...
it was none of his business and look where it got us !!!!

Perhaps I'm wrong, if so, please enlighten me

According to an article in a 2011 issue of the Guardian: America offered ground support.. BUT The UK bombed them !!!

Did you read the link on post 2 and the link Josiah posted on post 26 ( thankyou Josiah), both these links showed that America did bomb Libya and oh! did you know France was the first country to bomb Libya????......so please do NOT blame it all on Cameron.
 
In reply to BEE :



The US did NOT bomb Libya they "offered ground support" (
(According to The Guardian )

Perhaps you would like to get a bit more knowledge , before you make statement such as that ?


Do NOT tell me to get a bit more knowledge when I have spent a week end with close relatives who are close to the Libyan bombings and have confirmed everything I have said....................you see Elyzabeth I don't just get my knowledge from the internet or newspapers, I actually speak to real people in the real world.
 
I do Not "like Knocking the UK" Bee.. I read the news about America and the UK very closely and on a daily basis

Had you a bit more l knowledge you would perhaps have been aware of the many

times that I have been quite unhappy with several American policies...

and that I am ashamed that George Bush was ever an American President


Over here, I am very annoyed with the " voting policies "... once every 5 years?

mark X in a box. for the old boys network to pick their leader..?

I also think that the UK should have a constitution, as all other developed countries, do.

Those are the two areas which I have spoken out about

As an American I believe in bringing to the daylight areas which I feel the government is failing in.

Wheras the people of the UK, tend to view any criticism as "dissing their country."

... and usually tell me to go back to where I came from by the way !

Some people are a bit more limited in their views and understanding...

and will tell those who think differently to go back to where they came from


Elyzabeth, nearly every post you make you are knocking the U.K. so please do not tell me otherwise.

Why on earth should you be annoyed with our voting policies, we have voted that way since before I was born, it is a nice simple way, some time last year you posted about voting policies in the U.K. then and alongside myself other U.K. members proved you were wrong in what you had to say about our way of voting........by the way we have the British constitution, perhaps you are not aware of our history.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.u...ritish-constitution/the-british-constitution/

The difference between you and myself Elyzabeth I do not need a forum to discuss any failings of my government or any political party for that matter, I go straight to the top personally and for your information by taking the direct route I have made a difference, with my local MP raising my queries in Parliament.....

If you are always critisising the U.K. as you do, is it any wonder people think you are unhappy here and that perhaps you should go back from whence you came.
 
Rubbish ?

Based upon what ?

I am willing to admit blame for things wrongly done by America

but that does not seem to happen here. I vote in both elections,

so it is just possible that I am more aware then you are of the voting differences between the two countries...?
 
Rubbish ?

Based upon what ?

I am willing to admit blame for things wrongly done by America

but that does not seem to happen here. I vote in both elections,

so it is just possible that I am more aware then you are of the voting differences between the two countries...?

When you obviously don't understand the voting system in the UK then your last sentence is a bit suspect.
 
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Since I vote in both countries and you do not, perhaps I am in a better equipped than you are

to speak about voting differences between the US and the UK

Have you ever actually seen what an American voting form looks like?

.... or the booklet of information that goes with it?
 
Rubbish ?

Based upon what ?

I am willing to admit blame for things wrongly done by America

but that does not seem to happen here. I vote in both elections,

so it is just possible that I am more aware then you are of the voting differences between the two countries...?

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Under the Guardian Heading of David Cameron's War oct 2, 2011 by Partick Lintour :

"Fox says: "It took us eight days to get Nato command and control, when it had taken much, much longer in previous conflicts. That was a real plus."

But the initial military strain was loaded on the US, which continued TO OFFER SUPPORT, SHORT OF BOMBING, after Nato took over command of the operation.

By 27 March, 1602 sorties had been flown of which 983 were undertaken by US planes. The US also provided 80% of air refuelling, almost 75% of aerial surveillance and 100% of all electronic warfare missions.

"Nato could not have done it without the US," Fox openly admits.

Another minister says: "They have the intelligence assets in the sky and air-to-air refuelling that is invaluable for a long-haul mission. Without the US, the whole damn thing would not have happened.


THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF "THE ARAB SPRING" WAS A VERY BAD EVENT FOR THE WORLD .

HIDDEN UNDER THE SHEEPS BLANKET OF DEMOCRACY, WAS ISIS

IF THE US BOMBED THEY WERE WRONG

AND IF THE UK BOMBED THEY WERE SURE AS HELL WRONG....

NO PROBS I CAN SAY SOMETHING WRONG WAS DONE...BUT THE ENGLISH???

MAYBE THEY WOULD ADMIT IT IN WHISPERS, DOWN AT THE PUB

THIS IS NOT.... AN OPEN AND FORTHCOMING SOCIETY, PERIOD!
 
Under the Guardian Heading of David Cameron's War oct 2, 2011 by Partick Lintour :

"Fox says: "It took us eight days to get Nato command and control, when it had taken much, much longer in previous conflicts. That was a real plus."

But the initial military strain was loaded on the US, which continued TO OFFER SUPPORT, SHORT OF BOMBING, after Nato took over command of the operation.

By 27 March, 1602 sorties had been flown of which 983 were undertaken by US planes. The US also provided 80% of air refuelling, almost 75% of aerial surveillance and 100% of all electronic warfare missions.

"Nato could not have done it without the US," Fox openly admits.

Another minister says: "They have the intelligence assets in the sky and air-to-air refuelling that is invaluable for a long-haul mission. Without the US, the whole damn thing would not have happened.


THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF "THE ARAB SPRING" WAS A VERY BAD EVENT FOR THE WORLD .

HIDDEN UNDER THE SHEEPS BLANKET OF DEMOCRACY, WAS ISIS

IF THE US BOMBED THEY WERE WRONG

AND IF THE UK BOMBED THEY WERE SURE AS HELL WRONG....

NO PROBS I CAN SAY SOMETHING WRONG WAS DONE...BUT THE ENGLISH???

MAYBE THEY WOULD ADMIT IT IN WHISPERS, DOWN AT THE PUB

THIS IS NOT.... AN OPEN AND FORTHCOMING SOCIETY, PERIOD!


My local pub is very loud and vocal, no whispers going on there.:lofl:
 
To Bee and Elyzabeth,

Just read this link (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/us-forces-lead-attack-against-libya-in-operation-audacity-dawn/) and according to it the USA didn't offer ground support in Libya:
'USS Barry launches a Tomahawk missile — one of about 110 cruise missiles fired from U.S. and British ships and submarines targetting radar and anti-aircraft sites along Libya’s Mediterranean coast....'

'...France, Italy, the United Kingdom and Canada, and that they expected some Arab countries to join in the coming days....'

'.....The president reiterated that the U.S. will not send in ground troops....'

So it seems to me that whether bombs were dropped from planes or shot from ships is moot. The effect is the same.

What I think is more important is why this all happened and as other links have shown, Libya, under Gaddafi was one of the richest African countries and the citizens got all kinds of perks and benefits that us Westerners would love to have, i.e. free education, free healthcare, a royalty check every year from the oil sales, and most even got free housing, plus other benefits. So who exactly was fighting against all of this? What nimrod would 'rebel' against the blessings of the Gaddafi regime if that's what life was like for the citizens?

And in looking at Wikipedia, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2011)) it's noted that Gaddafi offered a ceasefire in March of that year, but the rebels who were being supported by the Western coalition, refused it because it didn't include Gaddafi leaving.

It should also be noted that prior to all of this commencing, Gaddafi was planning on selling his countries oil for gold instead of petro-dollars(the American dollar). African countries were keen on the idea as were some Muslim countries. America's economy is highly dependent on their reserve currency status and the global buying and selling of oil is a primary source of American 'wealth' because of the use of the dollar, but unfortunately for Libya, they were too small a country to protect themselves from the ire that the plan was sure to raise. His plan was a threat, so he had to go.

Saddam Hussein had also begun efforts to begin selling his oil for euro's instead of the dollar, and shortly after that, the news outlets began chanting the mantra of 'threats from his WMD' and we all know what the culmination of that bogey-man was.

So people can look at all these clues and ignore the circumstantial evidence that is being suggested by these events, and you can ignore General Wesley Clark's pronouncement on what the Pentagon decided regarding destabilizing the ME back in 1991, but it seems pretty self-evident to me and millions of others around the globe, that events are being manipulated and countries like Canada, Britain, France, the Saudi's, etc., are going along with all of this in exchange for standing as BFF's with benefits.
 
Sorry Debby, but it is just not about the bombing of Libya where Elyzabeth is concerned, it is the fact that she is always criticising the U.K., and myself and one or two other U.K.members are getting peed off with it.......................then she wonders why she is told to go back to the U.S. if she is not happy here.

The way she speaks of our voting system I believe she would like to import the U.S. way of doing things, and why the hell should we copy other countries way of voting, she also thinks we should have a constitution, if she knew anything at all, she would know we already have a British constitution.

This is now my last post on this thread, I really haven't got patience to engage anymore with Elyzabeth or about Elyzabeth and it is best I shut up before I am banned.
 
Sorry Debby, but it is just not about the bombing of Libya where Elyzabeth is concerned, it is the fact that she is always criticising the U.K., and myself and one or two other U.K.members are getting peed off with it.......................then she wonders why she is told to go back to the U.S. if she is not happy here.

This is now my last post on this thread, I really haven't got patience to engage anymore with Elyzabeth and it is best I shut up before I am banned.

It appears to me you have something against poor Elyzabeth? :laugh:
 

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