Northern Gaza is in ‘full-blown famine,’ World Food Program leader says

Murrmurr said:
Would you go so far as to say semantics can be used to manipulate people's perceptions and opinions?

I would.
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Yes I would, by 'shading' the meaning or implication of words and phrases.
You appear to want to separate war and response, while I maintain that the war is part of the response.
 
Remy said:
Hamas knew they would get a significant response from Israel. That's also what October 7th was about.
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Absolutely, Hamas knew that they would get a significant response, potentially costing thousands of Palestinian lives. Hamas was prepared to take that risk.
 

Just imagine if the Jesus of the "feeding the five thousands" was around right now in Gaza and would clearly say to his disciples go fetch me some loaves and fishes - we who have watched this event for many weeks would be amazed - then when he continued to feed and feed and feed Mr Netanyahu would stand there mouth open no doubt watching this Jewish man feeding these Palestinians peasants until all had been fed and satisfied. I wonder whether that would end all the fighting??
 
not really - starvation matters ; lose of loved ones matter ; losr of homes matter - lose of country matters - lose of ethnic tribe matters; wherever those semantics come from in the ME they should blow off back!
 
Murrmurr said:
I am pointing out that semantics is meaningful...and sometimes purposeful. Semantics matter.
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Semantics may matter to you but in this context I really don't rate them.
What upsets me is the 1200+ Israeli deaths that started this sh!t show and the 10's of thousands of Palestinian deaths, along with all the other human suffering.
 
In a way its a rather surprising that this whole skirmish between Israel and Hamas has been well contained - it could easily have spilt over into Lebanon more so and Egypt ; golan heights and Syria ; Jordan and Iran who have sent over a few volleys but not continued. The whole of the ME could have exploded with this one?
 
TabbyAnn said:
I wonder if the multi-billionaire Muslim leaders who caused the food shortage in the first place are going to donate all the food Gaza needs or is the rest of the world going to have to feed them?

Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer
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One of the sons of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh lounges in a luxury hotel suite in Qatar. Haniyeh is worth more than $4 billion. (Ofir Gendelman/ Twitter )

Hamas leaders worth staggering $11B revel in luxury — while Gaza’s people suffer

Hamas leaders net worth:
Abu Marzuk $3 billion
Khaled Mashal $4 billion
Ismail Haniyeh $4 billion
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TabbyAnn said:
Hamas’ annual turnover: $1 billion
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Whoever heard of our wealthiest people give money for food and other necessities to those that need it the most? Even the multi-millionaires and billionaires in this country only give chump change compared to what they could give without any pain whatsoever. The Clintons, Bush’s and Oprah and many other of our wealthiest do give a few thousand each year to help the homeless, but to them, it’s really only chump change or a pittance of their wealth.

Not saying they should give a percentage of their wealth, but I have compared what my wife and I gave last year with what the Bush’s gave and percentage wise, we gave more. At last I checked G.W. was worth about $1bil. Oprah’s worth goes close to $3bil. The Clinton’s are difficult for an obscure person like me to track. They are smart enough to run their private assets and the foundation’s money to kind of mix it together sometimes. How else would they have been able to pay for their daughter’s wedding from the foundation, as it was reported?

The wealthiest have the best accountants money can buy. They use every loophole available. It’s like one of the Supreme Court’s Justices once said, “It’s every American’s duty to find ways not to pay the higher amounts of income taxes. That does not mean to avoid paying your taxes, just not miss the opportunity to pay less.” That was quite awhile ago, so it may have been Burger. (Those were not his exact words. My memory has faded on that part.) I have read that Musk, Bezos, Bloomberg come to mind as very low tax payers.

I have to laugh when our President brags about getting corporations to pay their higher share. So what? If they pay more, we pay their fair share. This is one of the reasons prices have risen as sharply as they have. Did he really think they were going to eat the payments?
 
davey said:
In a way its a rather surprising that this whole skirmish between Israel and Hamas has been well contained - it could easily have spilt over into Lebanon
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Israeli fighter jets struck several sites in southern Lebanon that belong to the Hezbollah terror group back in March, after Hezbollah launched explosives-laden drones into the Golan Heights.
 
Debrah N. said:
This started long before October 7th. Are you taking that into consideration? We could then rewrite it to 'Gaza's response to the Israeli governments and IDF brutalization of the Palestinian people in Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Hebron, and everywhere else in Israel for the past 50 years, which resulted in Israel punishing them by murdering 34,000+ people.
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TabbyAnn said:
Yes indeed it started long before October 7th. Muslims have been killing unarmed women, men and children all over the world long before the modern state of Israel was founded. And after Israel was founded there hasn’t been a time when Palestinian Muslims weren’t attacking Israel. In 1971 Muslims killed 3 million unarmed women, men and children in Pakistan in the same horrific ways the Palestinian Muslims killed Israelis on Oct. 7. Islam has a long history of attacking people around the world in keeping with the Islamic ideology of bringing the entire world under Islamic Law.
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And so were white people killing unarmed women, men and children all around the world on every continent. Many if not most of those white people, Christians - Spanish Inquisition, Crusaders, King Leopold of Belgium, Christopher Columbus, the Spaniards who travelled to the New world, Americans who took slaves and killed FN people as well as Canadians who did their share of that, Brits and French who ran slave colonies all around the globe......so what? And there hasn't been a time when the Israeli's haven't been oppressing, abusing and murdering Palestinians......you aren't making a point.

In fact today, Hamas has finally agreed to some sort of peace deal which would get hostages back (I don't really know any more details then that) and Israel is not interested and plan on going ahead with an attack on Rafah where 100,000 people live and are now expected to move again to areas where there is nothing because it's all been destroyed already. Israel is behaving like so many of our countries did 200 years ago. We learned better, we're trying to right wrongs and yet we excuse Israel for sinking to the lowest common denominator as far as humanity goes.
 
Debrah N. said:
And so were white people killing unarmed women, men and children all around the world on every continent. Many if not most of those white people, Christians - Spanish Inquisition, Crusaders, King Leopold of Belgium, Christopher Columbus, the Spaniards who travelled to the New world, Americans who took slaves and killed FN people as well as Canadians who did their share of that, Brits and French who ran slave colonies all around the globe......so what? And there hasn't been a time when the Israeli's haven't been oppressing, abusing and murdering Palestinians......you aren't making a point.

In fact today, Hamas has finally agreed to some sort of peace deal which would get hostages back (I don't really know any more details then that) and Israel is not interested and plan on going ahead with an attack on Rafah where 100,000 people live and are now expected to move again to areas where there is nothing because it's all been destroyed already. Israel is behaving like so many of our countries did 200 years ago. We learned better, we're trying to right wrongs and yet we excuse Israel for sinking to the lowest common denominator as far as humanity goes.
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greast response! I concure
 
Debrah N. said:
And so were white people killing unarmed women, men and children all around the world on every continent. Many if not most of those white people, Christians - Spanish Inquisition, Crusaders, King Leopold of Belgium, Christopher Columbus, the Spaniards who travelled to the New world, Americans who took slaves and killed FN people as well as Canadians who did their share of that, Brits and French who ran slave colonies all around the globe......so what? And there hasn't been a time when the Israeli's haven't been oppressing, abusing and murdering Palestinians......you aren't making a point.

In fact today, Hamas has finally agreed to some sort of peace deal which would get hostages back (I don't really know any more details then that) and Israel is not interested and plan on going ahead with an attack on Rafah where 100,000 people live and are now expected to move again to areas where there is nothing because it's all been destroyed already. Israel is behaving like so many of our countries did 200 years ago. We learned better, we're trying to right wrongs and yet we excuse Israel for sinking to the lowest common denominator as far as humanity goes.
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You ain't lied Debrah! White people lynched so many Blacks for minor offenses or no good reason at all, raped our women and purposely split up families, mostly by killing the men or moving them to other locations during slavery. After being welcomed and treated with hospitality, Columbus and his men overtook land that rightfully belonged to Native Americans and even gave them syphilis, according to reports I've heard and read. America has stripped them of rights to their land that some are still fighting to get back. And the media, back in those days demonized us...the Blacks and Native Americans!

I've been watching (intermittently) a program called Aerial America, an interesting and beautifully filmed set of episodes that give the history of our states while showing a birds eye view of the cities the narrator talks about. In almost every one of the episodes, there is mention of how various Native American tribes were either enslaved and/or beat out of their land by White settlers.

There's an entire culture of "born not to know" or people who do not want to acknowledge that these things happened or that there has been systemic racism in place in this country for centuries. When we demonize people, things, organizations, etc. sometimes we need to realize there is more than one demon in the "house".
 
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davey said:
IDF Isreali army radio station has taken control of the Gaza side of the Rafah crossing - hot off the press??
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Israel-Hamas cease-fire negotiations on a knife’s edge​

An Israeli tank brigade has seized control of the Gaza Strip side of the Rafah border crossing with Egypt, authorities say, moving forward with an offensive in the southern city even as cease-fire negotiations with Hamas remain on a knife’s edge.

The move comes after hours of whiplash in the Israel-Hamas war, with the militant group on Monday saying it accepted an Egyptian-Qatari mediated cease-fire proposal. Israel, meanwhile, insisted the deal did not meet its core demands.
Live updates: Israel-Hamas cease-fire negotiations on a knife’s edge
 
My wife found a Christian fund that is collecting food, supplies and medicines to mostly children in the Gaza area. She is still looking into the group, but is leaning towards giving them our donation. I don’t know the name, but it’s something like PCRF fund. I am going to be checking into today myself.
 
911 said:
My wife found a Christian fund that is collecting food, supplies and medicines to mostly children in the Gaza area. She is still looking into the group, but is leaning towards giving them our donation. I don’t know the name, but it’s something like PCRF fund. I am going to be checking into today myself.
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Ah... Palestine Children's Relief Fund... I think I'll check into it as well. I'm pretty picky about where to donate for any cause because so many aren't transparent in how they distribute funds vs skimming off for their own execs, but maybe this one will work for me.
 
CallMeKate said:
Ah... Palestine Children's Relief Fund... I think I'll check into it as well. I'm pretty picky about where to donate for any cause because so many aren't transparent in how they distribute funds vs skimming off for their own execs, but maybe this one will work for me.
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In my opinion most of the money donated to such an organization and especially the UNRWA will go straight to the leaders of Hamas. They are billionaires ecactly for this reason.
 
George1959 said:
In my opinion most of the money donated to such an organization and especially the UNRWA will go straight to the leaders of Hamas. They are billionaires ecactly for this reason.
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Thanks, George... for the reminder. I *had* heard months ago when it really started escalating that Hamas was not letting food get through to the people who were hungry and I forgot about that. Wanting to help while not funding a terrorist organization truly takes a lot of research. @George1959
 
Rakaia said:
Apparently just over 50% of the Israeli population doesn't stand with its own government.
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Percentages :cool: ... this thread needs percentages !!!

That "just over 50%" is a rating of opinion that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's performance since October 7 has been subpar.
On the other hand, ratings of Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and other senior officials is significantly higher. Netanyahu has notably avoided taking responsibility for the October 7 onslaught, unlike the defense minister and many top IDF officers.
57% of Israelis think Netanyahu’s performance since October 7 has been subpar, poll finds

80% of Israelis say Netanyahu must take public responsibility for Oct 7 failures ... i.e. ... he should have done more to protect Israel from terrorist (Hamas) attack.
Poll: 80% of Israelis say Netanyahu must take public responsibility for Oct. 7 failures

I stand with Israel
 
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