College campus protests news

Debrah N. said:
You obviously aren't receiving balanced reporting from any news outlet. Take the protests for example. Every news piece I've seen has failed to mention that October 7th wasn't the start of all of this. Every news piece I've seen has typified the protests as supportive of Hamas as opposed to pushing for a ceasefire and to end the bombins and starvation and an end to American dollars and weapons going to Israel. And I haven't seen any CNN or CBC or CTV piece talking about how some of the Israeli government are openly talking about allowing settlers to start building in Gaza...

As far as what Hamas has done, I think you're still hanging on to fabricated horrors to a degree. Fourteen kids got killed during the entire horrifying experience according to the Times of Israel. There were no burned babies or beheaded babies, no babies on clothes lines and the stories of rape that were presented in the NY Times have been debunked. (New York Times admits its Hamas rape story was fabricated). All this in the face of 13,000 Palestinian children being killed according to UNICEF.

If anything, I'm disappointed that there seems to be such little concern about the thousands of people who've been murdered in all of this. And Lilac, I don't think I've been rude at all, but I and some others have challenged your loyalty to a government that is murdering all these people, as well as the lack of empathy that's so evident in some posts. Humanity is full of pain and suffering and willing to cause or allow more of the same.
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You cite sources that you believe which matches your viewpoint & everyone else is reporting it wrong. I want to see reports based on solid information from independent reporting from all news agencies whether they on the right, left or in between on anything that happens. I'll make up my own mind from what I see & read.

As far as loyalty to a government ... that loyalty belongs to the United States of America. She is my country.

You say I lack empathy which is your opinion because I don't believe as you do. You don't know me & your comment is another assumption based on your emotions & views.

Our conversation is at an end. Bye.
 

Debrah N. said:
IDF has been brutalizing Palestinian people for decades. Even when Palestinian people haven't done anything to them. I'd suggest you do a Google search for Breaking the Silence and read and listen to video testimonials from IDF soldiers who are speaking out about the shame of their abuse against Palestinians. You'll hear about them targeting families in the middle of the night, beatings, extra-judicial killings, destroyed homes, support of settler attacks.....Remember, this didn't start on October 7th, 2023
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I suggest you read the book Massacre:The Tragedy at Bangla Desh where Muslims killed 3 million unarmed women, men and children in the same horrific ways they killed Israelis on Oct. 7. Then Google the long history of violent Muslim attacks all over the world. No indeed this didn’t start on October 7. Muslims have been at this long before the modern state of Israel was founded. The atrocities of the Palestinian Muslims on Oct 7 was just the latest manifestation of it. After Israel was founded there hasn’t been a time when the Palestinian Muslims weren’t attacking Israel. It’s the mission of Islam to bring the entire world under Islamic law and no one is going to be safe until people realize that.
 
TabbyAnn said:
The protesters said their demands are about the university divesting financially from Israel. All about money.
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Absurdity. The students camp out at University for four years. The University is the Corporation. Like the mail room assistant being in charge of the finances. Laughable now, didn't see that back then. I love Youth. Time of life to seek demands, but without the experience to know why it won't happen.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Accusations about paid protesters haven’t been supported by evidence that I can find?
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I don’t know where to find this information either but it would be interesting to follow the money. All the protesters are financed by someone of course. Some by their hapless parents who didn’t have these protests in their tuition plan. The Palestinian students may be financed by Hamas or other wealthy Muslim organizations who may pay their tuition and provide Palestinian flags, scarves and other protest paraphernalia. The University knows who pays their tuition and room and board but I don’t know whether the government collects this information or not. The Center for Security Policy published a book on the Muslim infiltration of American colleges but it was before these protests.
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TabbyAnn said:
I suggest you read the book Massacre:The Tragedy at Bangla Desh where Muslims killed 3 million unarmed women, men and children in the same horrific ways they killed Israelis on Oct. 7. Then Google the long history of violent Muslim attacks all over the world. No indeed this didn’t start on October 7. Muslims have been at this long before the modern state of Israel was founded. The atrocities of the Palestinian Muslims on Oct 7 was just the latest manifestation of it. After Israel was founded there hasn’t been a time when the Palestinian Muslims weren’t attacking Israel. It’s the mission of Islam to bring the entire world under Islamic law and no one is going to be safe until people realize that.
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Whataboutisms doesn't change the fact that the Israeli's of today, are slaughtering unarmed, starving people including thousands of children. We could go through all kinds of history of the world and find all kinds of examples of atrocity that happened at some point and many of them involving Americans, Canadians, the French, the Brits, etc. Doesn't change anything. Those things happened, we can't change them, but this is happening right now as we watch. What I can't understand is why so many who A. call themselves Christians. or B. would assure you that they are compassionate, caring people.......don't care about these people, including all those children.
 
Remy said:
I guess we could all pack out sh*! and go. Give it back to the First Nations and Native Americans. But no one is going to do that either because I'm not moving to Eastern Europe.
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Or we can learn to get along and be fair and just to one another. Israel should try it and maybe they'd finally get the peace that they pretend they want.
 
Lilac said:
You cite sources that you believe which matches your viewpoint & everyone else is reporting it wrong. I want to see reports based on solid information from independent reporting from all news agencies whether they on the right, left or in between on anything that happens. I'll make up my own mind from what I see & read.

As far as loyalty to a government ... that loyalty belongs to the United States of America. She is my country.

You say I lack empathy which is your opinion because I don't believe as you do. You don't know me & your comment is another assumption based on your emotions & views.

Our conversation is at an end. Bye.
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Have you expressed any sorrow for the suffering of 34000 people? If I missed it, I'm sorry that I suggested otherwise. Perhaps you could point me to the post.

And if you want sources, here's one from NBC as they report on the decision of Hamas to accept a peace agreement that would bring the hostages home.....except Israel isn't interested but intends to attack Rafah which currently houses 100,000 people who they figure should head out to some other area that's already been bombed out.

From that link:
The United Nations human rights chief today called Israel’s call for around 100,000 people to evacuate from Rafah inhumane and destined to cause even more suffering.

“This is inhumane. It runs contrary to the basic principles of international humanitarian and human rights laws, which have the effective protection of civilians as their overriding concern,” U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk said in a statement.

“Forcibly relocating hundreds of thousands from Rafah to areas which have already been flattened and where there is little shelter and virtually no access to humanitarian assistance necessary for their survival is inconceivable. It will only expose them to more danger and misery,” he said........

Live updates: Hamas says it agreed to a cease-fire proposal; Israel strikes Rafah and says deal ‘far from’ meeting its demands
 
Debrah N. said:
What I can't understand is why so many who A. call themselves Christians. or B. would assure you that they are compassionate, caring people.......don't care about these people, including all those children.
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The United States is a secular country and military aid decisions are made by a group of military strategists of no uniform religion. Muslims have run all over the world killing children and unarmed women and men. Jews have not. Christians will no doubt have the compassion to try to feed the starving Gazans after Gaza made the stupid decision to attack one of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. But Christians can’t cure stupidity.
 
TabbyAnn said:
The United States is a secular country and military aid decisions are made by a group of military strategists of no uniform religion. Muslims have run all over the world killing children and unarmed women and men. Jews have not. Christians will no doubt have the compassion to try to feed the starving Gazans after Gaza made the stupid decision to attack one of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. But Christians can’t cure stupidity.
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And Jesus said something like " remove the log in your own eye before you try to remove the splinter in someone else's eye, because you can't see clearly." :)
 
Ah finally slow news from UK - Oxford University is finally protesting for all to see with their tent city developing - lets wait and see if Cambridge follows and then the rest?? - Oxford is requesting not demanding the the university declares the source of all its assets - doubt if that will happen though? begging your pardons - Cambridge is in it too!

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TabbyAnn said:
The United States is a secular country and military aid decisions are made by a group of military strategists of no uniform religion. Muslims have run all over the world killing children and unarmed women and men. Jews have not. Christians will no doubt have the compassion to try to feed the starving Gazans after Gaza made the stupid decision to attack one of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. But Christians can’t cure stupidity.
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I'm not talking about governments when I question the compassion of 'people' regarding the Palestinians. In particular, I'm talking about day to day Christians who claim to follow a merciful Jesus who gave us parables like the story of the Good Samaritan, who said 'the meek shall inherit the earth' or 'love thy neighbour as thyself', who don't seem to care that Palestinian people just like them, families with little babies and toddlers, old grandmas and grandpas, all crushed under the rubble of building or blown to pieces are dying brutally every day.

I don't hear about church's pleading sermons, asking the Israeli government to be merciful, but I have heard about Christians going to Israel to show support for the IDF and the war effort. https://www.timesofisrael.com/showi...american-christians-volunteer-for-war-effort/.

(later edit: I did read that the United Church of Canada has condemned the violence by both Hamas and Israel and has called for a ceasefire. Their statement: (from the link - 'We need to be concerned for everybody, not just 'our people....... calls for a ceasefire by both sides and “condemns the attacks launched on communities in southern Israel by Hamas, and the ongoing daily violence meted out against Palestinians by Israel’s deepening occupation in Palestinian territories.”)

And GAZA, did not attack a military that is funded and supported by the USA to the tune of $3.3 billion every year. Hamas did. To accuse Gaza, is the equivalent of saying that every American approves of everything that the American government has done always. Or every Canadian approves of everything that comes out of the Canadian government. We all certainly know that isn't true.

Seeing as how Hamas is acting as the government and their first actions as the newly elected government back in 2006, was to kill the opposition, is it any surprise that they haven't bothered calling another election and the masses of Palestinians in Gaza, with their 'learned helplessness' after 70 years of oppression, accept the status quo?
 
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The palestinians are like all other groups in their day to day needs ; comfort and safety but they do have billionaire bosses behind them still fighting this war ideologically and mechanically and the hostages still remain hostages. there are an awful lot of arabs in the ME rich ones with rich nations who could crush Israel if they really wanted but they are staying out of it all. They watch from the side lines and maybe shunt a little money around. The Israels are surrounded by Arab nations but have strong allies in the West.

This is also a religious war of sorts - christians and Jews versus the Muslims - history is all part of this - but I don't see too many Muslim countries putting their full support and monies behind Hamas either. This war is in a way a world war in terms of ideologies and religious beliefs. It will play out as it is already playing out and many will be sacrificed on both sides - it is a WW III of kinds - in modern day miniature
 
davey said:
The palestinians are like all other groups in their day to day needs ; comfort and safety but they do have billionaire bosses behind them still fighting this war ideologically and mechanically and the hostages still remain hostages. there are an awful lot of arabs in the ME rich ones with rich nations who could crush Israel if they really wanted but they are staying out of it all. They watch from the side lines and maybe shunt a little money around. The Israels are surrounded by Arab nations but have strong allies in the West.

This is also a religious war of sorts - christians and Jews versus the Muslims - history is all part of this - but I don't see too many Muslim countries putting their full support and monies behind Hamas either. This war is in a way a world war in terms of ideologies and religious beliefs. It will play out as it is already playing out and many will be sacrificed on both sides - it is a WW III of kinds - in modern day miniature
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It's also a land grab. Israel has been approaching countries in S. America and Africa (or so I've heard), with offers of money if they will take Palestinians. And meanwhile, some in the Israeli government speak openly of turning Gaza over to settlers.
 
Debrah N. said:
It's also a land grab. Israel has been approaching countries in S. America and Africa (or so I've heard), with offers of money if they will take Palestinians. And meanwhile, some in the Israeli government speak openly of turning Gaza over to settlers.
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this sounds like latest hot news do you have a credible recent source and link or is it just gossip?
 
davey said:
this sounds like latest hot news do you have a credible recent source and link or is it just gossip?
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I try to keep up with the latest news from the war by using X. It is mostly uncensored. I look up what the IDF is doing, what Hamas is doing, Netanyahu, Israel, Palestine, Biden, aid, hostages, and more. The most current posts/news can sometimes be verified, but verified by whom? Usually a very bias news outlet. I don't trust anything that comes across on X.

IDK where to find unbiased news that is reporting just the facts. Even the facts are not true sometimes. It is nuts. I think the whole "war" is being told by popular opinion, and that too is at war. I am OK with not knowing, but it ticks me off when someone starts a rumor that is harmful. I don't pay any attention to them anymore. Liars. It is becoming popular. How to lie. or how not to tell the truth. This whole thing is a battle of propaganda, and while that war rages, more innocent civilians die.
 
davey said:
this sounds like latest hot news do you have a credible recent source and link or is it just gossip?
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Do you consider the Times of Israel as a credible source? https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...r-countries-on-gaza-voluntary-migration-plan/

From the link:
'The “voluntary” resettlement of Palestinians from Gaza is slowly becoming a key official policy of the government, with a senior official saying that Israel has held talks with several countries for their potential absorption.

Zman Israel, The Times of Israel’s Hebrew sister site, has learned that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition is conducting secret contacts for accepting thousands of immigrants from Gaza with Congo, in addition to other nations.'
 
davey said:
this sounds like latest hot news do you have a credible recent source and link or is it just gossip?
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Another from the Times of Israel....

https://www.timesofisrael.com/minis...s-palestinians-building-settlements-in-strip/

From the link:

'Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s two senior far-right partners endorsed the rebuilding of settlements in the Gaza Strip and the encouraging of “voluntary emigration” of Palestinians on Monday, while hawkish opposition MK Avigdor Liberman called for Israel to reoccupy southern Lebanon......'
 
You gotta be jokin - relocate the palestinians aware from the ME to other parts of the globe - and they will go willingly - like the refugees in UK to Rawanda??
 
davey said:
You gotta be jokin - relocate the palestinians aware from the ME to other parts of the globe - and they will go willingly - like the refugees in UK to Rawanda??
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You are 'asking' that of Netanyahu right? Not me? Because I don't think that's realistic at all. I'm sure some might be willing to take them up on it, but I'm guessing that it wouldn't be a majority at all. I'm guessing that they'd say their links to that land are as tight or even tighter than Israeli's would say, because the Palestinians families have lived there for generations, not just the past 70 or so years.
 

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