Trumps big mouth cost him bigtime

Jim, my charts are not phoney at all. They are records of what is happening in the US no matter who is President or who might be in our Congress. Reality must be hard for some to understand.

I was on topic as Trumps speech did not say all are murderers or rapist. I believe he did not say all and actually said they were not all such bad folks. You really need to listen to his speech and if you do you will not hear him say all. Much of our country has no problem at all with immigrants as many of us are immigrants or follow on generations of immigrants. My mothers grandmother was of England and my fathers father was of Germany. My wife's parents were both from Poland. I suspect many on this forum could do the same and will find most of us are closely related to immigrants of previous generations.

Yes, some major Republicans did take Trumps speech to be a bit harsh. But I don't think anyone really said he was totally wrong. Not even Bush who spoke strongly about Trumps speech. But even there, they would love to clear the ways for fewer wanting to be elected. It is a lot of politics from now till a year from now when we start to get serious about who is actually running, both Republican and Democrats parties will then be down to the actual ones to be voted on.


http://time.com/3923128/donald-trump-announcement-speech/

Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
 

Why is that so pathetic Jim. Do facts cause you to have bad feelings? Actually, I thought you had a much more open mind about things from some of your earlier posts.
 
Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.
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This is funny... "When Mexico sends its people" What the heck is he talking about.. Does he really think there is some part of the Mexican government sorting through all its citizens and picking and choosing who goes to the United States? Seriously? You stay... you go.... You! You stay... . Give me a break..,. Trump and those that eat this stuff up are idiots.
 
QuickSilver said:


This is funny... "When Mexico sends its people" What the heck is he talking about.. Does he really think there is some part of the Mexican government sorting through all its citizens and picking and choosing who goes to the United States? Seriously? You stay... you go.... You! You stay... . Give me a break..,. Trump and those that eat this stuff up are idiots.
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You failed to post his complete statement. Missing was the last comment that you never seem to want to admit he said.

And some, I assume, are good people.

Now for you to call anyone an idiot is way wrong. You have no proofs at all, just a one sided and biased opinion of what is happening in the US. So for that biased attitude, maybe you have a problem. Most of the people in the US want all immigrants to be registered and legal. We have way too many thousands of these illegal folks now in the US.

Does Mexico send those folks here? I, we, don't know about the sending but we do know that they do nothing to try to stop them from coming here illegally at all. One of our worst times was a year ago when thousands were crossing the border and were willing to be caught. Many were young folks with plenty of other folks. I am posting this particular item for you to read. This is the type of stuff most folks would like to see ended. We need our border patrols kept up to the border and resisting crossings, not staying well away from the border and just taking in those that are allowed to cross. Once over the border there are different rules that provide protection for those that have crossed. After an incident in Texas? where some one was shot, two border patrol folks were in trouble and then the close on the border watches were ordered stopped. Now there is no way to really stop the illegal intruders. That needs to change and the Mexican government should be encouraged to help stop the illegal minded folks.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/09/us/undocumented-children-immigrants/

Obama vows urgent action as children make perilous illegal journey into U.S.

By Gustavo Valdes, Nick Valencia and Josh Levs


Obama vows urgent action as children make perilous illegal journey into U.S.

By Gustavo Valdes, Nick Valencia and Josh Levs
Updated 10:13 AM ET, Tue June 10, 2014


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Story highlights


  • "I want to see my parents," Honduran teen tells CNN
  • 60,000 unaccompanied juveniles expected to cross in 2014, Border Patrol official says
  • "Consulates can't keep up," and they're "in limbo," Department of Homeland Security official says
  • Obama calls it an "urgent humanitarian situation"

In broad daylight, with no fear of being seen, a group of Honduran girls -- some as young as 14 -- cross illegally into the United States.

"Because I want to see my parents in Austin," one tells CNN.
Moments later, another group of Hondurans admits crossing the Rio Grande to get here, McAllen station, a border crossing into the United States. "Thank God nothing happened," they say of the perilous journey.
This group quickly grows to 22. Most are children who traveled without any adults.
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Mayor: 'Very comfortable with what I saw' 06:28

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Undocumented children sent to Arizona 03:48

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Crisis immigration centers under fire 02:54



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Unlike other stories of illegal immigration across a porous border, these immigrants aren't sneaking in. They're showing up and announcing themselves.


"We are seeing hundreds turning themselves in daily. And I mean hundreds at a time," said Chris Cabrera, a leader of the local chapter of the National Border Patrol Council, a labor union representing U.S. Border Patrol agents.
Many of the immigrants use rafts to cross the Rio Grande, equipped with instructions to follow the river until reaching the Border Patrol site to surrender.


"They know that once they get to the station, we are going to give them paperwork and we are going to set them free into the United States," Cabrera says.


U.S. law prohibits the Department of Homeland Security from immediately deporting the children if they are not from Canada or Mexico. Instead, the children are turned over to Department Health and Human Services supervision "within 72 hours of DHS taking them into custody," an official said.


"Most of the time, they're getting released to relatives in the U.S.," Cabrera said. "There's nowhere to put them, so they're released on their own recognizance and have a pending court date. I'd say between 95 and 97% of adults or youths don't show up for court."


The numbers are staggering. He estimates that more than 60,000 unaccompanied juveniles will cross in 2014 and that the numbers will rise from there.


"You're talking kids from 17 years old, on down to some that are 5 or 6 years old, traveling by themselves," Cabrera says.

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And it continues.
 
And some, I assume, are good people.
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He "ASSUMES"? Does he not know? How arrogant.. It's like he is coming out and admitting that someone like HIM, can only assume things about immigrants, because he would NEVER know first hand.. He only hires them under the table to clean his toilet. He's not only and idiot... he's an Ahole.
 
QuickSilver said:



He "ASSUMES"? Does he not know? How arrogant.. It's like he is coming out and admitting that someone like HIM, can only assume things about immigrants, because he would NEVER know first hand.. He only hires them under the table to clean his toilet. He's not only and idiot... he's an Ahole.
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So you hate Trump. Well, lots of folks do too. But his place in the political stream is open to any and all that have enough money to travel that road. No longer just Hillary on the Democrat side and I hear that strong socialist former politician is moving up quickly to challenge Hillary. Good activity on both sides and that is what makes our system better than some other systems. We have a chance for some to challenge those that seem to think only they should be allowed to run for an office.
 
I have a theory about Trump. I think he is actually a dedicated Democrat, doing his best for his party. He is managing to steer as many people away from the Republicans as possible. And he is doing a great job of it!
 
Yes.. that theory is out there. Perhaps it's true.. He sure seems to be gumming up the works for Republicans.. Maybe as a Democrat he sees this tactic as a far better use of his money than simply contributing to Hillary or Bernie... AND this way, he gets the added benefit of being in the spotlight.. which he thrives on.
 
I think he is being honest and saying the US does not need more of the illegal immigrants and wants that stopped. We have between 11.5 and 12 million in the us in 2006. This is the most recent number I found. Larger numbers today for sure.

So that is not a hateful thing for him to say. It should gather folks from all over the US that agree, Republicans and Democrats included. There is no reason for these folks to live in the US and milk our system as much as they do while putting in as little as they can in taxes or other ways.

But of course there will be those that just love a government that constantly is offering more paid for by the government benefits, even when they government is already at 18 trillion in debt already. In the future it won't matter if Democrats or Republicans are in charge of Presidency or the House or Senate, we must get this debt reduced.
 
Trump is and always has been a republican. It's really simple, he is a arrogant egomaniac who is convinced he is worthy of the highest office in the US. Do you really believe he would cost himself millions in cancelled deals to help Democrats? Ego, nothing more.
 
AZ Jim said:
Trump is and always has been a republican. It's really simple, he is a arrogant egomaniac who is convinced he is worthy of the highest office in the US. Do you really believe he would cost himself millions in cancelled deals to help Democrats? Ego, nothing more.
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He sure seems to be helping... SO.... whatever he is... I hope he keeps it up... In fact.. I hope he gets even crazier. AND I certainly hope he makes it to the FOX debates.
 
Does anyone else marvel at the seemingly unmitigated POWER Fox news has in the Republican party? They are deciding who gets on the debate stage and who doesn't and the GOP is blindly agreeing to anything Fox proposes.. WHO says Fox is just a news outlet? They are a branch of the GOP.. and a very very powerful one at that. Some very good candidates will not get to debate.. and that's sad. Talk about running the country... Fox certainly does.
 
Sure news to me. I usually watch NBC and sometimes when NBC is so busy with sports events I then turn to ABC or CBS. In the late afternoon I do watch a couple hours of FOX NEWS and find them to be rather accurate in their news casting. Very close to what I have seen on the other channels. I also watch Fox programs on regular regular local TV programs too. Not FOX NEWS but just on local TV.
 
I see you make a distinction between National Fox and our local FOX affiliate with Don Hook and Kari Lake on Channel 10. I have to agree I have watched them here locally for many years and consider them absolutely non partisan. PS I love Kari.
 
QuickSilver said:
It's doubtful she could stay sober long enough.
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Cheap shot on Palin. She has raised a family of several kids and one handicapped. She held down different government jobs including governor of Alaska. You attempt to make her out to be an alcoholic. Pretty cheap shot QuickSilver. But you seem to be good at that type of post.
 
If she's not drunk in this video, and wasn't lit up when she spoke at the conservative convention awhile back, then she has serious medical issues that demand attention of a specialist. I think Trump wanted Oprah for his VP, now he might just win if that happened.

 

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