How can anyone still believe in covid?

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chic said:
Here's my opinion on what might have happened. It was all a psych op. They renamed seasonal flu Covid 19, talked it up, paid "experts" while silencing any doctor who would contradict, and succeeded in scaring most people half to death over all of this. You get what you expect. That could be what happened.
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I'm still wondering what happened to the common cold??? My cousin got the vaccine but end up getting "covid". I ask him what happened to the common cold, he was clueless as well. He stated he may have to take the jab for the rest of his life. I pray that's not the case for many people.
 

Tazx said:
In the US? Cause the official statistics are 35 million, not 60. But, funny on the CDC website, the US has anywhere from 32 to 40 million deaths per year from the cold and flu, but over the period of covid that number dropped to less than 150 thousand. But covid was 35-40 million. So...And you know that the CDC admitted that many deaths were not covid, but died with a covid diagnosis. And I must say using a testing procedure that does not prove anything.
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WOW! The CDC site says over 10% of the population of the US dies each year from cold and flu. That is amazing!!! And here I thought heart disease, diabetes and cancer were the big killers. They are small potatoes compared to the cold and flu. I guess the good thing is that with that many people dying each year, the lack of reasonably priced housing should not be a problem within 12 months.
 

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Muskrat said:
Covid is alive and well…doing what virus do…mutating.
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Yes, viruses change from one imaginary concept to another one.
Why some people don't understand this is a mystery. Maybe they just prefer being brainwashed.
I've never gotten a clot shot my entire adult life, and I've never been sick from imaginary things that don't exist.

Polio was caused by lead in water pipes and swimming pools (FDR), and by vaccinations.
The Spanish Flu was caused by vaccinations, was not caused by a virus, and was not contagious. <--

Diseases are primarily caused by pollution such as lead, pesticides, drugs, chemicals, food additives, smoke, exhaust,
smog, radioactivity; and secondly by visible parasites, but not by imaginary viruses, that have never been proven to exist.
 
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Muskrat said:
And yet if we step on a nail we all worry about tetanus. Covid is alive and well…doing what virus do…mutating . What is so hard to understand about that?
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Noting at all. Its the way it all occurred which has me puzzled. People lost their jobs, being forced to take it, just to name a few. Yes, there are viruses -that's a no brainner. I'm just puzzled about it all. Maybe one day I will have clarity. Today is not that day.
 
John cycling said:
Yes, viruses change from one imaginary concept to another one.
Why some people don't understand this is a mystery. Maybe they just prefer being brainwashed.
I've never gotten a clot shot my entire adult life, and I've never been sick from imaginary things that don't exist.

Polio was caused by lead in water pipes and swimming pools (FDR), and by vaccinations.
The Spanish Flu was caused by vaccinations, was not caused by a virus, and was not contagious. <--

Diseases are primarily caused by pollution such as lead, pesticides, drugs, chemicals, food additives, smoke, exhaust,
smog, radioactivity; and secondly by visible parasites, but not by imaginary viruses, that have never been proven to exist.
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Well said. Saw a documentary here in Europe and some doctors in Spain were upset that this 'disease' called the Spanish flu was cause by US military vaccinations.
Add in the fact that no one has ever proved a virus exists. You can find many books on virus theory. Funny how they never say bacteria, fungi, or parasites is the cause of anything....just a virus.
I find it hilarious they never say bad food, sugar, pop, fast food, excessive calories, contaminated pipes, water or the fact that our air is gross-is the cause of anything!
 
Ladybj said:
I'm still wondering what happened to the common cold??? My cousin got the vaccine but end up getting "covid". I ask him what happened to the common cold, he was clueless as well. He stated he may have to take the jab for the rest of his life. I pray that's not the case for many people.
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Yeah that was a question a lot of people had. Where did the cold and flu go?
 
Tazx said:
Well said. Saw a documentary here in Europe and some doctors in Spain were upset that this 'disease' called the Spanish flu was cause by US military vaccinations.
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It is generally accepted that so called "Spanish flu" was brought to Europe by US military and later the deadly disease spread to other countries, including Australia, when the men returned home after the war. Hubby's grandfather died of it when he was relatively young, leaving a wife with five daughters and one son to raise on her own. He was not a soldier; he worked on the railways.

WWI ended in 1918. Penicillin had not yet been discovered, let alone used to cure bacterial infections. For which diseases were US servicemen vaccinated?

Tazx said:
Add in the fact that no one has ever proved a virus exists. You can find many books on virus theory. Funny how they never say bacteria, fungi, or parasites is the cause of anything....just a virus.
I find it hilarious they never say bad food, sugar, pop, fast food, excessive calories, contaminated pipes, water or the fact that our air is gross-is the cause of anything!
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One short paragraph about the history of virology from Wiki
History of virology - Wikipedia

The history of virology – the scientific study of viruses and the infections they cause – began in the closing years of the 19th century. Although Edward Jenner and Louis Pasteur developed the first vaccines to protect against viral infections, they did not know that viruses existed. The first evidence of the existence of viruses came from experiments with filters that had pores small enough to retain bacteria.

In 1892, Dmitri Ivanovsky used one of these filters to show that sap from a diseased tobacco plant remained infectious to healthy tobacco plants despite having been filtered. Martinus Beijerinck called the filtered, infectious substance a "virus" and this discovery is considered to be the beginning of virology.

The subsequent discovery and partial characterization of bacteriophages by Frederick Twort and Félix d'Herelle further catalyzed the field, and by the early 20th century many viruses had been discovered. In 1926, Thomas Milton Rivers defined viruses as obligate parasites. Viruses were demonstrated to be particles, rather than a fluid, by Wendell Meredith Stanley, and the invention of the electron microscope in 1931 allowed their complex structures to be visualised.
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So, for over 90 years viruses have been recognised as agents of disease and that they are different to bacteria.
 
Warrigal said:
It is generally accepted that so called "Spanish flu" was brought to Europe by US military and later the deadly disease spread to other countries, including Australia, when the men returned home after the war. Hubby's grandfather died of it when he was relatively young, leaving a wife with five daughters and one son to raise on her own. He was not a soldier; he worked on the railways.

WWI ended in 1918. Penicillin had not yet been discovered, let alone used to cure bacterial infections. For which diseases were US servicemen vaccinated?


One short paragraph about the history of virology from Wiki
History of virology - Wikipedia


So, for over 90 years viruses have been recognised as agents of disease and that they are different to bacteria.
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Mass vaccinations for the spanish flu is what they were vaccinated for.
 
Warrigal said:
It is generally accepted that so called "Spanish flu" was brought to Europe by US military and later the deadly disease spread to other countries, including Australia, when the men returned home after the war. Hubby's grandfather died of it when he was relatively young, leaving a wife with five daughters and one son to raise on her own. He was not a soldier; he worked on the railways.

WWI ended in 1918. Penicillin had not yet been discovered, let alone used to cure bacterial infections. For which diseases were US servicemen vaccinated?


One short paragraph about the history of virology from Wiki
History of virology - Wikipedia


So, for over 90 years viruses have been recognised as agents of disease and that they are different to bacteria.
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Cold and flu are intelligently created by our body as a mass dumping of stored toxins. It is never caught from others. This is a lie to get us on drugs.

Understand that viruses are not alive, have no nucleus, respirator or digestive systems. They are as contagious as soap. That is what viruses are: protein structures that dissolve. They are solvents, soaps manufactured by cells, intracellularly.

"In March of 1919 Rosenau & Keegan conducted 9 separate experiments in a group of 49 healthy men, to prove contagion. In all 9 experiments, 0/49 men became sick after being exposed to sick people or the bodily fluids of sick people."
EXPERIMENTS TO DETERMINE MODE OF SPREAD OF INFLUENZA

In November 1919, 8 separate experiments were conducted by Rosenau et al. in a group of 62 men trying to prove that influenza is contagious and causes disease. In all 8 experiments, 0/62 men became sick. Another set of 8 experiments were undertaken in December of 1919 by McCoy et al. in 50 men to try and prove contagion. Once again, all 8 experiments failed to prove people with influenza, or their bodily fluids cause illness. 0/50 men became sick. In 1919, Wahl et al. conducted 3 separate experiments to infect 6 healthy men with influenza by exposing them to mucous secretions and lung tissue from sick people. 0/6 men contracted influenza in any of the three studies.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/30082102?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents

In 1921, Williams et al. tried to experimentally infect 45 healthy men with the common cold and influenza, by exposing them to mucous secretions from sick people. 0/45 became ill.
Experimental human inoculations with filtered nasal secretions from acute coryza

In 1924, Robertson & Groves exposed 100 healthy individuals to the bodily secretions from 16 different people suffering from influenza. The authors concluded that 0/100 became sick as a result of being exposed to the bodily secretions.
Experimental human inoculations with filtered nasal secretions from acute coryza

In 1937 Burnet & Lush conducted an experiment exposing 200 healthy people to bodily secretions from people infected with influenza. 0/200 became sick.
Influenza Virus on the Developing Egg: VII. The Antibodies of Experimental and Human Sera

In 1940, Burnet and Foley tried to experimentally infect 15 university students with influenza. The authors concluded their experiment was a failure.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.5694/j.1326-5377.1940.tb79929.x

Not so sure about that.
 
John cycling said:
Polio was caused by lead in water pipes and swimming pools (FDR), and by vaccinations.
The Spanish Flu was caused by vaccinations, was not caused by a virus, and was not contagious. <--.
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Completely false information.

Simple commons sense would say that - clearly many many people caught polio who never went swimming and clearly there are many records of polio prior to the vaccine.

The spanish flu was caused by a virus, as are all influenzas - and it spread rapidily throughout the world as so many people moved to and from war zones i n a world war.

Many people being weakened by war and poor nutrition etc were more at risk than they might otherwise have been and this increased the mortality rate.
 
helenbacque said:
I’m old enough to have seen the effects and had a family member affected by polio so do not disparage vaccinations. Also, the Spanish Flu pandemic (1918-20) is well documented .
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A friend of my brothers was a polio survivor. He was ambulatory, still, but one side of his body was weaker. Do not remember which.
My dad had the Spanish Flu when he was a child. If memory serves, my grandmother (dads mom) had it too.
 
Tazx said:
You can find many books on virus theory. Funny how they never say bacteria, fungi, or parasites is the cause of anything....just a virus.
I find it hilarious they never say bad food, sugar, pop, fast food, excessive calories, contaminated pipes, water or the fact that our air is gross-is the cause of anything!
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who is they??

nobody disputes that bacteria, fungi and parasites are the cause of things - some diseases are caused by those and some by viruses

I doubt anybody disputes excessive calories, contaminated water, polluted air , poor nutrition are causes of illness too

seems a complete strawman to me - ie you are arguing against statements nobody is making
 
January said:
Completely false information.

Simple commons sense would say that - clearly many many people caught polio who never went swimming and clearly there are many records of polio prior to the vaccine.

The spanish flu was caused by a virus, as are all influenzas - and it spread rapidily throughout the world as so many people moved to and from war zones i n a world war.

Many people being weakened by war and poor nutrition etc were more at risk than they might otherwise have been and this increased the mortality rate.
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Totally agree, @January.

I'm old enough to remember when the first polio vaccine became available in Australia. It was the Salk polio vaccine and it was delivered by injection at schools. I had seen children who had survived polio who were wearing callipers. I had also seen newsreels showing adults who were living inside a machine called the iron lung. They could only see the world via a mirror. The last man who lived out his life this way died quite recently.

Needless to say, my mother couldn't sign me up quickly enough for polio vaccine as well as the triple antigen serum that fortified the immune system against tetanus, diphtheria and whooping cough. I am so glad that she did.

Just yesterday I received my flu booster because Winter is coming and also because I am of an age where influenza is more likely to be deadly.

Vaccines are not produced with the intention of causing illness. It is crazy to believe that medical science could be so corrupt.
 
I don't think I'm alone in this, but IMO Tazx is a troll/pot-stirrer. What purpose is it to bring up this stuff? Keep in mind, Tazx just joined the Forum and this is what he posts.....

Call it Covid or whatever, an awful lot of people caught "it" and many died (I know 3) or got very sick (I know too many). My wife and son and I were accidently exposed at the same time. The next day, my son (who was not vaccinated) got terribly sick for two weeks. My wife was vaccinated and was sick for a week but not severely. I was vaccinated and was ill for three days.

This "whatever you want to call it" was not a cold or the flu, it was something IMO much worse.
 
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