Milk is Racist say experts...

VaughanJB said:
So how do you know anything? I mean, you distrust every academic ever? Was Pythagoras a plant? Academics say the Earth is an oblation-spheroid, are they wrong? :D
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1. :) I don't know anything.
2. Did I say ever? No, just since the modern way of things.
3. They could be wrong, boss. There is an element of fallibility in every assertion.
 

hollydolly said:
I remember this so well..I hated school milk... it would sit in crates in the warm dining hall waiting for us at interval time, and we all HAD to drink a 1/3 of a pint... and every day I would be bent over with a stomach ache..
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My commiserations. I never had a problem with milk, but it was cold. I know people who grew up on farms and they've had fresh straight from the cow-- I never developed the taste for warm milk.
 
I'm still chuckling at the gullible rubes chugging down those agrochemical industry products they like to call plant-based "milk." For many it is just a fad.

Soy, Rice and Oat Drinks: Investigating Chemical and Biological Safety in Plant-Based Milk Alternatives
... a lot of consumers consider themselves as lactose intolerant on the basis of self-reported intolerance and start to avoid dairy products, ignoring that plant-based milk alternatives are not nutritionally comparable to animal milk, especially in terms of protein intake. The aim of this study is to grow folder knowledge of the security of plant-based drinks, helping competent authorities to issue a risk assessment and to apply national plans about consumer safety. Results show that proper sanitary practices, such as pasteurization, are necessary in plant-based milk alternatives as well as in dairy milk.
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Maybe stop competing for these manufactured products and driving up prices for those who actually need them.
 
Someone mentioned 'bananas' --- That makes me think of United Fruit, Colonialism and after that the support of dictatorships and overthrow of popular Central American governments. Read all about it. It's there.
 
Notice how the news media titled the story as coming from "experts" when there was just one expert using a common manipulative media technique of over-emphasizing those on minority sides of controversies. That is because many ordinary people behave like sheep if they think most others are doing so.

Snippet from the OP's link:

One of the experts involved has previously argued that milk is a 'Northern European obsession' that has been imposed on other parts of the world...
Dr Johanna Zetterstrom-Sharp said the assumption that milk was a key part of the human diet 'may be understood as a white supremacist one', as many populations outside Europe and North America have high levels of lactose intolerance in adulthood.

Dairy farming is a business so one can expect they will promote drinking milk across the globe as long as local populations drink it. Doing such has nothing to do with racism but rather capitalism. Soft drink makers also promote their products worldwide and just because Coca Cola etc causes much tooth decay doesn't mean they marketed so due to some racial or unethical agenda. What is likely, is the dr is enviously emotional of her not being able to eat ice cream easily.

That noted, it is probably true some in government have aggressively pushed milk consumption in schools in areas where populations are lactose intolerant long before the intolerant science was known. And some probably forced children to drink milk even when that was unhealthy. Not because of a racist agenda but because before the lactose intolerant science was known, they incorrectly thought it was healthy with kids too young to make a decision themselves.

My northern European ancestors were obviously milk folk and I have drank significant amounts all my life.

What is correctly negative about dairy farming is cows burping gassy contribution to global warming that is about 2/3 that of beef cattle. And that in third world areas, slash and burn farmers creating pasture for cattle are causing deforestation. I hope people decrease their red meat beef consumption while dairy cattle will be fine into the future as long as human populations significantly decrease as the true driver of planetary ills.
 
Here's the History of Science Museum's statement about the research project. It appears that the original newspaper article, along with other news agencies that have lazily piggybacked on it, conflates this upcoming project with quotes from two years ago, which may not be directly related to the new research project:

"Dr JC Niala, Head of Research, Teaching and Collections at the History of Science Museum, and Dr Johanna Zetterström-Sharp, Associate Professor at the Institute of Archaeology, University College London, are working together on this innovative project, starting on 1 July 2024.

They will examine the milk-related collections of the History of Science Museum to understand scientific knowledge production and the impact of colonial legacies on contemporary issues.

By focusing on communities intersecting industry, aid, and government regulation, the project aims to centre heritage as a vital framework for understanding how colonial legacies influence contemporary issues and affect people's lives.

Through milk diaries, archival research, and participatory podcasting, it will investigate historical engagement with milk, building networks with consumers and producers in Britain and Kenya.

The project will question both the imagined and real aspects of milk, revealing the intimate and political nature of this everyday substance.

The ultimate goal is to develop new methodologies for investigating our relationship with milk over time, tracing the dramatic shifts in production and consumption over 200 years and the influence this has had on people, land and environment through dairy industrialisation.

A podcast series will also be produced to share these insights with a broad audience. The series will learn from the histories and global forces shaping milk today to envision more sustainable futures."
 
Tazx said:
I think you are taking incorrectly and a bit too far. I meant that no matter what the outcome of any study, good or bad, somebody somewhere throws in racism, discrimination etc, etc, etc. Society as a whole will never have true science cause we are too divided.
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I agree. hat's the whole problem. :unsure:
 
VisualBrian said:
Math is racist, too!
How about CNN? Are they a tabloid newspaper? It's all about pushing racism to divide the country. And if you spend a little time looking around, you'll find a lot more inanimate things that are now racist.
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Why are you getting bent out of shape by someone calling a british source a tabloid? I'm genuinely interested. There are many tabloid sources out there. In this case, one, and only one, was used, and therefore referred to. I'm not understanding what CNN has to do with it.

And yes, we have had science. If not for research by academics, we'd not be communicating on this board.

Of course, there is a movement at the moment that suggests academia, big business, government, it's all not to be trusted, and they never do good. Instead, we should believe our feelings, and stuff we read from nobodies on the internet. It's a bizarre world, I wonder where it will end up?

Probably with a banana milkshake.
 
You misunderstood and I wasn't "bent out of shape". My point was that the mainstream media does the same thing; they promote racism. Sorry if you got offended, it wasn't my intention.
 
VisualBrian said:
You misunderstood and I wasn't "bent out of shape". My point was that the mainstream media does the same thing; they promote racism. Sorry if you got offended, it wasn't my intention.
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I'm not at all offended. I don't think anyone should be offended by this thread, it's just another story hating on someone. But hey, what can you do? Who is willing to die on the hill of a study none of us will ever read? :D

Mainstream media, so called "alternative media", radio, TV, Social Media - follow the money and know why it is what it is. I've yet to see any "alternative media" that was any better, more honest, or genuine, than so called "Mainstream Media". People just mistake things they agree with for the "truth". Which encourages echo chambers and not much more. IMO.
 
Magna-Carta said:
Through milk diaries, archival research, and participatory podcasting, it will investigate historical engagement with milk, building networks with consumers and producers in Britain and Kenya.
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"milk diaries", reading old archives, and some podcast discussions with milk producers and consumers. Apparently the Arts and Humanities didn't provide very much funding.

I used to enjoy listening to weird educational podcasts while doing the endless mowing back in Nebraska.
 
hollydolly said:
without a shadow of a doubt.. but that's not what this study is about....
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Sorry. In my mind there was some vague connection. I read something years ago that referenced the politics of the dairy lobby and our dependency on milk but I haven't a clue where to find it.
 

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