Bible Christianity implies sex for procreation only

Mr. Ed

Mr. Ed

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Sex is for procreation alone??? No masturbation, no sexual thoughts or fantasy's, no same sex because sex is meant according to the bible for the sole purpose of making babies. And you wonder why certain religious faiths and practices are not followed by the book?

The sexual revolution should have happened at the beginning of time not thousands of years later. Mankind and his prudent see-no-evil. speak-no-evil, hear-no-evil imaginary sinful ways were driven by fear of god delivered by hung-up sick minded perverts claimed god punishes the weak who succumb to the temptations of the world. Bull Sh!t.
Imagine a society so pure and innocent that tv shows portrayed married couples sleeping in separate beds, even more strange, shows like Leave it to Beaver, Fathe Knows Best and the Dick Van Dyke show were family shows with children. Hiw did that happen? Maybe they were born in a cabbage patch?

People talk about simpler times, however, back in the day when television was starting out there was no need for censorship until the Morale Majority began making changes to protect the youth of our great country. Trouble is the Moral Majority went too far to the Right and censored everything in the name of god, family and the bible.

If you can instill fear in a person, you can get them to do almost anything to protect their beliefs from a given adversary. Communism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, hell, fire and damnation. Do you know the truth? Is masturbation a sin? what about same sex relationships, is that a sin? What about having sex because you like it? Is that a sin? Somethings people believe is down right stupid.
 

Build me a statue of a fool for sticking my big toe into a religious topic, but this statement simply isn't true, and there are scriptures that state that. False statements truly bother me. There are others here who can/will take up this debate with you better than I could, but I *do* want to "prove" what I'm saying with one verse. Then I won't say more because politics and religion never reach a resolution. Nothing about procreation here:​

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“The husband should fulfill his wife’s sexual needs, and the wife should fulfill her husband’s needs. The wife gives authority over her body to her husband, and the husband gives authority over his body to his wife.” 1 Corinthians 7:3-4​

 
Mr. Ed said:
If you can instill fear in a person, you can get them to do almost anything to protect their beliefs from a given adversary. Communism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, hell, fire and damnation. Do you know the truth? Is masturbation a sin? what about same sex relationships, is that a sin? What about having sex because you like it? Is that a sin? Somethings people believe is down right stupid.
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I don't get it. Why would anyone who doesn't believe in the Christian Bible worry about not following its precepts??? Sounds more like self-flagellation to me. oops :ROFLMAO: Not worried? Sure sounds like the opposite.
 
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Mr. Ed said:
Sex is for procreation alone??? No masturbation, no sexual thoughts or fantasy's, no same sex because sex is meant according to the bible for the sole purpose of making babies. And you wonder why certain religious faiths and practices are not followed by the book?

The sexual revolution should have happened at the beginning of time not thousands of years later. Mankind and his prudent see-no-evil. speak-no-evil, hear-no-evil imaginary sinful ways were driven by fear of god delivered by hung-up sick minded perverts claimed god punishes the weak who succumb to the temptations of the world. Bull Sh!t.
Imagine a society so pure and innocent that tv shows portrayed married couples sleeping in separate beds, even more strange, shows like Leave it to Beaver, Fathe Knows Best and the Dick Van Dyke show were family shows with children. Hiw did that happen? Maybe they were born in a cabbage patch?

People talk about simpler times, however, back in the day when television was starting out there was no need for censorship until the Morale Majority began making changes to protect the youth of our great country. Trouble is the Moral Majority went too far to the Right and censored everything in the name of god, family and the bible.

If you can instill fear in a person, you can get them to do almost anything to protect their beliefs from a given adversary. Communism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, hell, fire and damnation. Do you know the truth? Is masturbation a sin? what about same sex relationships, is that a sin? What about having sex because you like it? Is that a sin? Somethings people believe is down right stupid.
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I had a couple of relatives, my parents age, who believed sex was for procreation only. They were super strict Catholics. So that kind of thing did exist.
 
Let it be known the world is full of idiosyncrasies and I the only one in a massive bowl of green jello.
 
Mr. Ed said:
I think life is funny, I think life is a joke, I think life is a box of chocolates
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a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance

A feast is made for laughter, wine makes life merry, and money is the answer for everything.

Sarah said, “God has brought me laughter, and everyone who hears about this will laugh with me.”

He will yet fill your mouth with laughter and your lips with shouts of joy.

Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.

All the days of the oppressed are wretched, but the cheerful heart has a continual feast.

A cheerful heart is good medicine, *

* ... all the above from the same book
 
chic said:
I had a couple of relatives, my parents age, who believed sex was for procreation only. They were super strict Catholics. So that kind of thing did exist.
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Oh, I have no doubt about that. Just was wondering how non- believers get so wrapped up in that kind of stuff. Lots of believers don't get wrapped up in that kind of stuff themselves either--obviously.
 
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CallMeKate said:

False statements truly bother me. There are others here who can/will take up this debate with you better than I could, but I *do* want to "prove" what I'm saying with one verse. Then I won't say more because politics and religion never reach a resolution. Nothing about procreation here:​

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“The husband should fulfill his wife’s sexual needs, and the wife should fulfill her husband’s needs. The wife gives authority over her body to her husband, and the husband gives authority over his body to his wife.” 1 Corinthians 7:3-4​

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The King James version reads very differently. But does it matter? We have to live in the world we find ourselves in.

1 Corinthians 7:3-4
King James Version
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
 
gruntlabor said:
The King James version reads very differently. But does it matter? We have to live in the world we find ourselves in.

1 Corinthians 7:3-4
King James Version
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
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What that says to me is that husband and wife are true to each other--no one else.
 
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horseless carriage said:
Does that mean that someone born infertile must be celibate because they cannot possibly procreate?
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That's one of the questions that got me kicked out of the "Pre-Cana" sessions (Catholic pre-wedding classes couples were required to take before getting married in the Church.

Father Knapp was a priest of the old school and I was a rather cheeky young lady.
 
Possibly, in today's world, money and avoiding the necessary lifestyle change may cause some folks to avoid having children.
No one NEEDS to go without children if they really want a family. Adoptions are available if a regular birth is not possible.

The religious side of this discussion is beyond me ?
 
DaveA said:
Possibly, in today's world, money and avoiding the necessary lifestyle change may cause some folks to avoid having children.
No one NEEDS to go without children if they really want a family. Adoptions are available if a regular birth is not possible.

The religious side of this discussion is beyond me ?
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The religious side of this discussion is about sex; whether it's allowed or not. If the wife getting pregnant is the goal, then it's allowed. Just doesn't tell you what number of children you have to have before you can stop. Well, just look at the Duggers. I don't think they're done yet.

But who's got the short end of this stick? Certainly not the male unless God or science makes it possible. I can just imagine how speedily that part of the Bible would be revised. :LOL:
 
Mr. Ed said:
Sex is for procreation alone??? No masturbation, no sexual thoughts or fantasy's, no same sex because sex is meant according to the bible for the sole purpose of making babies
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That was the Catholic teaching when I was being raised up, but it seems it didn't necessarily apply to the clergy. I'm not sure what the bible has to say about it, but I really don't care either.

Fun thread from you as usual. :giggle:
 
There is little in the OT Bible regarding s practices. Just like much other current era Christian denomination dogma that is not actually based on scripture, such was supposedly inspired by later by priest sects that greatly elaborated acceptable and unacceptable cultural practices beyond the simple Ten Commandments. Moses established Levite priest sects that were tasked with providing laws beyond early scripture. In fact millennium later, Jesus himself strongly generally condemned scribes and Pharisees weight of laws and practices in Mathew 23:13. I will suggest the OP stop being critical of practices he was merely taught second hand and rather use web searching to understand issues at scholarly levels more broadly and deeply.

The following link is an interesting first read because those cultures of the OT arose from far more ancient nearby Mesopotamian culture.

https://human.libretexts.org/Courses/American_River_College/HUM_300:_Classical_Humanities_Textbook_(Collom)/03:_Ancient_Mesopotamia/3.03:_Love_Sex_and_Marriage_in_Ancient_Mesopotamia

Bertman describes a Sumerian statue of a seated couple, from 2700 BCE, thusly:

An elderly Sumerian couple sit side by side fused by sculpture into a single piece of gypsum rock; his right arm wrapped around her shoulder, his left hand tenderly clasping her right, their large eyes looking straight ahead to the future, their aged hearts remembering the past.

Although the customs of the Mesopotamians may seem strange, or even cruel, to a modern-day western mind, the people of the ancient world were no different from those living today. Many modern marriages, begun with great promise, end badly, while many others, which initially struggle, endure for a lifetime. The practices which begin such unions are not as important as what the individuals involved make of their time together and, in Mesopotamia as in the present, marriage presented many challenges which a couple either overcame or succumbed to.

Now that one has a vague understanding of earlier ancient practices, the below wikipedia article addresses that in the later Israelite era. One can imagine how more narrow s taboos developed:

Judaism and sexuality - Wikipedia

One may understand more by reading this that is more about how property is handed down:

Genesis 38:7 Commentaries: But Er, Judah's firstborn, was evil in the sight of the LORD, so the LORD took his life.
 
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Please forgive em Lord. For they knew not what they were doing.
Young, inexperienced, always being brow beaten, they were.
I saw a bill that came with a new born the other day. $1,000,000 down payment. Please!
 
VisualBrian said:
That was the Catholic teaching when I was being raised up, but it seems it didn't necessarily apply to the clergy. I'm not sure what the bible has to say about it, but I really don't care either.

Fun thread from you as usual. :giggle:
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The Clergy and Bishops use drug addicted Pros.
 
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