Not trying to be controversial (female boxer with XY chromosome)

Lawrence00 said:
It is XX and XY. As above. He has gotten his butt beat up by some women before and hopefully the Hungarian will knock him out. It's still wrong, he knows it, just like those men beating women in bicycling.
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I'd wish the Hungarian boxer Luca Anna Hamori (23) wholeheartedly that she wins. But I guess she'll have no chance. Yet sometimes a wonder may happen.

Here she is:

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WheatenLover said:
I don't think the public knows whether Imane Khelif is intersex, but it may be the case.
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My opinion here is that it doesn't really matter if this is the case or not... and the reason is that even if Khelif would happen to be intersex, there was *still* a decision to be become a boxer. And with that decision *had* to be the realization that there would be an unfair advantage and it was chosen anyhow. And not just chosen as a sport, but taking it to the Olympics. Is that not a form of deliberate cheating then?

Maybe Hamori will remove that smug look from Khelif's face and knock him flat. We shall see. (y)
 
It's straightforward they take the swab test, and if you fail you are disqualified from that gender sport.

The Olympic Board of Directors, need to get it together!

(On a personal note, I would love to see him against Amanda Nunes.)
 
Lawrence00 said:
It is XX and XY. As above. He has gotten his butt beat up by some women before and hopefully the Hungarian will knock him out. It's still wrong, he knows it, just like those men beating women in bicycling.
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Absolutely. Khelif failed the gender test. I don't see that anything else really matters otherwise, why have a test at all? Why have male and female sports teams, why not just let them brawl it out if biological sex does not matter. The answer of course is because, it would not be fair, especially in a boxing ring.

Having failed the female gender test, I expect Khelif would be eligible to compete in the male arena.
 
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Olympic Boss defends the male/female boxer, and makes a big Gaffe by saying they were born women...

Olympic boss Thomas Bach made a stunning - and hugely embarrassing - error when trying to put an end to the gender row that has rocked the Games.

The German chief, 70, told reporters that the issue, which centres around the participation of two boxers who were reported to have failed a gender test last year, was 'not a DSD case'.

Had it been accurate, Bach's comment would have been a significant development which may well have put an end to an argument that has raged across the world.




Questions have been raised over the participation of Algeria's Imane Khelif and Taiwan's Lin Yu-Ting, who were disqualified from last year's World Championships, after they were reported to have failed gender tests. Neither are trans, but officials from the Russian backed IBA, which issued the ban, said both had XY chromosomes, the male gene.

Bach's comment would appear to have blown that claim out of the water. However, within seconds of the press conference concluding IOC officials rushed to clarity that he had misspoken and had meant to say this was not a 'trans case' and not 'not a DSD case'.


Olympic boss speaks Click on the link for the video....
 
hollydolly said:
Olympic Boss defends the male/female boxer, and makes a big Gaffe by saying they were born women...

Olympic boss Thomas Bach made a stunning - and hugely embarrassing - error when trying to put an end to the gender row that has rocked the Games.

The German chief, 70, told reporters that the issue, which centres around the participation of two boxers who were reported to have failed a gender test last year, was 'not a DSD case'.

Had it been accurate, Bach's comment would have been a significant development which may well have put an end to an argument that has raged across the world.




Questions have been raised over the participation of Algeria's Imane Khelif and Taiwan's Lin Yu-Ting, who were disqualified from last year's World Championships, after they were reported to have failed gender tests. Neither are trans, but officials from the Russian backed IBA, which issued the ban, said both had XY chromosomes, the male gene.

Bach's comment would appear to have blown that claim out of the water. However, within seconds of the press conference concluding IOC officials rushed to clarity that he had misspoken and had meant to say this was not a 'trans case' and not 'not a DSD case'.


Olympic boss speaks Click on the link for the video....
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Yes, just read that. I really think it doesn't matter though, it's all smoke and mirrors which simply moves the issue away from what really does matter and that is that, if any boxer fails the gender test then that boxer has failed to qualify.
 
Trish said:
Yes, just read that. I really think it doesn't matter though, it's all smoke and mirrors which simply moves the issue away from what really does matter and that is that, if any boxer fails the gender test then that boxer has failed to qualify.
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the thing is, he's spitting in the wind, because the public are just not going to stand for it...
 
George1959 said:
The complete ban of athletes from women's sports after male puberty should be the rule.
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As a man my opinion has little weight.

The women of the world must voice their objections. If they object. So far I don‘t see much being done about it other than griping. If having bio-males in women’s sports doesn’t bother women, why should it bother me?
 
Brookswood said:
I have to agree with you. But as a man my opinion has little weight.

The women of the world must voice their objections. If they object. So far I don‘t see much being done about it other than griping. If having bio-males in women’s sports doesn’t bother women, why should it bother me?
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I disagree. The PEOPLE of the world must voice their objections.
 
Brookswood said:
The women of the world must voice their objections. If they object. So far I don‘t see much being done about it other than griping. If having bio-males in women’s sports doesn’t bother women, why should it bother me?
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Not sure where you heard that this isn't "bothering women" because men and women equally *worldwide* have been objecting strongly ever since this was allowed to happen.
 
I hope some of the Cis men in the audience feel the desire to get in the ring with the trans woman who won these matches. I hope they are muttering to themselves or their families, “Olympic champion my @ss. Give me five minutes with this ‘champ’ . Then I’ll get a medal."
 
VintageBetter said:
I hope some of the Cis men in the audience feel the desire to get in the ring with the trans woman who won these matches. I hope they are muttering to themselves or their families, “Olympic champion my @ss. Give me five minutes with this ‘champ’ . Then I’ll get a medal."
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What’s a Cis man?
 
VintageBetter said:
I hope some of the Cis men in the audience feel the desire to get in the ring with the trans woman who won these matches.
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Neither Khalif nor the other boxer are trans. They have XY chromosomes and testosterone levels that are like those of men, so were originally disqualified from this kind of event. If they know they have an unfair advantage *because* of that fact, then choosing something like boxing is basically deliberate cheating.
 
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Brookswood said:
As a man my opinion has little weight.

The women of the world must voice their objections. If they object. So far I don‘t see much being done about it other than griping. If having bio-males in women’s sports doesn’t bother women, why should it bother me?
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This is what I've written. The female athletes must defend themselves and stay together. To expect help from the IOC or from other men is futile.

Pau Gasol, a former basketball player from Spain, who is a member of the IOC athletes commission has also made a comment:

 
hollydolly said:
this is my Daughter camera right with one of her students...... she's is a Kickboxer, Martial artist.. trainer and kickboxing judge ....


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Kickboxing actually makes a lot of sense for women because if you have ever taken a dance class, your instructor might have mentioned that on women’s bodies, our center of gravity is our hips and our strongest muscles are in our legs, backs and derrières.

I heard one scientist say these muscles were probably developed on women over centuries from years of carrying children on our hips and backs. Whereas for men, they had centuries of lifting, carrying, cutting and dragging home the hunt for their work, so they developed the upper body strength to succeed at that.
 
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