Many Women Will Never See Justice in This Lifetime

The Prime Minister of Australia came from a single parent family.
There's a significant cohort of young men imprisoned for killing the man who beat their mothers.
 

I raised my Daughter alone from when she was 8..and before that her father was rarely present because he was in the Royal Navy and away at sea for months at a time..

I didn't remarry until she was 23 and in a home of her own.. and she is a wonderful specimen of a human being..even if I say so myself...
 

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hollydolly said:
I raised my Daughter alone from when she was 8..and before that her father was rarely present because he was in the Royal Navy and away at sea for months at a time..

I didn't remarry until she was 23 and in a home of her own.. and she is a wonderful specimen of a human being..even if I say so myself...
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Everyone should have a mother like you, Holly! :love:
 
When our oldest son was graduating from high school he did something completely on his own that makes me proud to this day. A classmate of his was pregnant and it was well known that the father of her child was a real lowlife. Several of her classmates refused to be the person that would walk side by side with her. Our son stood up and volunteered to accompany the girl who he had gone to school with all their lives, and be damned with the pettiness of other. They were friends and they remain so to this day.
 
Della said:
I didn't say it never happens, but that it should be rare.


In 1950 the rate of unmarried births was 3.9 %
In 1980 it was 18%
In 1990 it was 28
In 2022, 39.8%

This is the biggest, fastest societal change in recorded history. It is the primary contributing factor for our overflowing prisons, poverty, crime, homelessness and food insecurity for children.
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What percentage of women (or men) were having pre-marital sex in 1950?

Tell the men to get vasectomies . Tell the men to be celibate. Stop blaming women for all of this.

We should also demand insurance companies make tube tying and vasectomies FREE.
 
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Warrigal said:
Good questions but I have no answers. What I do know is that my country has a big problem involving domestic violence. Women are being killed by intimate partners at an alarming rate*. They are most vulnerable when they finally decide to leave an abusive relationship. Fear causes many to keep the abuse a secret because if the police knock on the door, it only increases the violence.

So, I have some why questions as well.

Why do men turn on their partners and physically abuse them?
Why are women's shelters so scarce when this is a growing problem?
Why is domestic violence, abbreviated to DV, not called assault and battery?

* It was bad enough when Australian women were dying at the hand of an intimate partner at the rate of one per week but the rate is now one every four days.
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Why do men turn on their partners and physically abuse them? For power and control.

Why are women's shelters so scarce when this is a growing problem? Because most legislators are men and they do not understand the problem, therefore they will not fund it in state budgets. They say stupid stuff like, “She can just go live with her mother or sister” but fail to understand how badly the perps have isolated their victims.

Why is domestic violence, abbreviated to DV, not called assault and battery? Great question - my guess is because men have run the legal system for so many decades in most places, and men are protecting other men by calling it DV and not Assault and Battery. Additionally, women lawyers in the legal system have also been persuaded to see the male perps as victims of a manipulative female partner, and so they also “forgive” the perp by calling it DV and not Assault and Battery.

I have seen this in real life in court. I have never seen a millionaire garner so much coddling and pity in real life as my ex-husband. It’s a kind of power to inspire both women and men to feel sorry for them. A certain famous person also inspires this kind of pity and indulgence from many people. IDK what we should call this kind of power, but it’s nefarious and real.

If you ever want to see a GREAT set of Law & Order SVU episodes about this kind of power, watch the ones about fictional serial killer William Lewis. Here’s a guide to one: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2876044/

The writing of these episodes around William Lewis is 💯% spot on about some people’s mysterious power to make INTELLIGENT, educated people believe their every lie.

What did Shakespeare say in Hamlet?
"More relative than this—the play's the thing
Wherein I'll catch the conscience of the King."

Sometimes, films, plays and TV shows explain things to people that they cannot seem to understand/comprehend in real life. If you want to understand it, watch the episodes about fictional William Lewis.
 
hollydolly said:
From todays' papers..



Throughout 2024, the Guardian aims to report on every woman allegedly killed by a man, drawing on the work of campaigns such as Counting Dead Women, the Femicide Census and Killed Women.


In recent years in the UK, a woman has been killed by a man every three days on average, yet most of their stories have gone unheard. The Guardian wants to help change that.

This year, the toll of women whose deaths have led to a man being charged has now reached 50. Here, we mark each of their lives.

None of these incidents are linked in any way other than that a woman has been killed and a man charged in connection with her death.

On this link the photo of all 50 women killed this year...​

Pictures of the women​

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Wow! Kudos to The Guardian for some real journalism!
 
VintageBetter said:
That’s the kind of justice I’m referring to: equal pay for equal work and if she did more than, for argument’s sake, the fathers of her child(ren), she should get paid extra for that too.
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That's difficult to quantify. Everyone thinks their work is worth more than others. There's no standard that values work other than what people get paid for it.

I agree that parenting is a job that should be paid even if that person can't get another job. That's why I'm a proponent of universal basic income. It gives people a minimum amount of money if they're in a position of being in an undervalued job or status.

Ironically to me, the people who rail against UBI are the very ones who want it for themselves but don't want to give it to the "deadbeats down the street", so no one gets it. But everyone thinks that "other people" are deadbeats, so on it goes. That's why monetary equality doesn't work.

In the Pledge of Allegiance, the "justice" is about freedom from unjust incarceration, not monetary equality. Monetary equality wasn't a goal during the time the pledge of allegiance was created.
 
VintageBetter said:
We should also demand insurance companies make tube tying and vasectomies FREE.
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hollydolly said:
Only in the USA because everywhere else it IS free
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Tubal-ligations and vasectomies are covered 80 to 100% by most insurances...if not all. I don't know of a medical policy that doesn't cover both.

And both procedures are free to people who can't afford insurance or don't have it.
 
VintageBetter said:
"you said you thought they were victims…"

In my original post I stated this: Title: Many Women Will Not See Justice in This Lifetime I know it’s for certain in my own life, but I will not go into detail here. But what say you, overall, about the predicament of women in American society, especially single moms? (I left out the question mark.) Life going peachy and without prejudice for them as a group? I sure don’t see that.

I said “especially single moms” may not see justice in this lifetime. I did not say, “All single moms are victims of a ruthlessly cruel political system."

I do not believe that. But I sure do believe some of them have been - they have done twice as much, maybe four to five times as much actual physical and mental work as men, and our system does not recognize them for that, nor does it compensate them for that work.

That’s the kind of justice I’m referring to: equal pay for equal work and if she did more than, for argument’s sake, the fathers of her child(ren), she should get paid extra for that too.

But, it will never happen, so on we go.
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I have no idea what you're going on about.

Women get equal pay for doing the same job as a man. That's not only a labor law, it's addressed in the Constitution. Any employer who underpays their female employees can be prosecuted under the law. Justice!

You don't know anything about the stress, the pressure, the mental and physical demands, and the competition men experience on the job, because you are not a man. You don't know how it effects them, their family life, and their overall health, because you are not a man. That "4 to 5 times more" thing is something you made up, plucked from the air. Why would you throw that out there? It's so silly.
 
Murrmurr said:
You don't know anything about the stress, the pressure, the mental and physical demands, and the competition men experience on the job, because you are not a man. You don't know how it effects them, their family life, and their overall health, because you are not a man.
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Not specifically to Murmurr, just a general thought.

There are a lot of factors for why men's life expectancy is less than women's on average. I believe this is one of the factors. Should there be justice for that discrepancy? How would it be applied?
 
caramel said:
Not specifically to Murmurr, just a general thought.

There are a lot of factors for why men's life expectancy is less than women's on average. I believe this is one of the factors. Should there be justice for that discrepancy? How would it be applied?
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Men are drafted, women are not. Not so far, anyway. That's always been a big negative in my book. 59 thousand Vietnam, our generation, my generation, of young men who probably had better things to do with their lives than die.
 
Murrmurr said:
I have no idea what you're going on about.

Women get equal pay for doing the same job as a man. That's not only a labor law, it's addressed in the Constitution. Any employer who underpays their female employees can be prosecuted under the law. Justice!
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that's relatively recent here in the UK..only since 2010...
 
caramel said:
There are a lot of factors for why men's life expectancy is less than women's on average. I believe this is one of the factors. Should there be justice for that discrepancy? How would it be applied?
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One supposed reason women live longer is lead. Women bleed monthly. At menopause women's life expectancies begin to level off to about the same as men.
 
VintageBetter said:
What percentage of women (or men) were having pre-marital sex in 1950?

Tell the men to get vasectomies . Tell the men to be celibate. Stop blaming women for all of this.

We should also demand insurance companies make tube tying and vasectomies FREE.
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23 and Me has blown the myth of the virtuous female and the promiscuous male to smithereens. “ Mom! Why is Lisa my half sister and not dad’s daughter?”
 
gruntlabor said:
One supposed reason women live longer is lead. Women bleed monthly. At menopause women's life expectancies begin to level off to about the same as men.
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I've never heard that explanation before. The explanation that I have heard is that oestrogen has a protective effect against heart disease that diminishes after menopause. In previous decades heavy drinking by males, e.g. vodka in Russia, lowered male life expectancy. Ditto cigarette smoking. In other words, different cultural modes of men and women were contributing factors to early death. Differences in vocation, such as working down the coal mines versus working in a factory, were other distinguishing factors that were detrimental to men's health.

On the other hand, pregnancy and childbirth was a significant risk for women and single childless women tended to live longer than women who were mothers. Women who breastfed were less likely to develop breast cancer. In Darwinian terms, the mothers who had multiple children and survived, passed their genetic advantage on to their daughters. Today, good medical care has reduced the risk of early death for women due to pregnancy and childbirth.

Today, both men and women are living longer but the longevity of women is still greater than that of men. I'm still inclined to think it is probably mostly due to the oestrogen theory because lifestyle is not all that different for most men and women.
 

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