Iran Nuclear Agreement

If Israel fires the first shot, it will be for self preservation. They are first on Iran's target to get annihilated from the face of the earth. If they do it, the rest of the middle east countries will be celebrating that they did not have to do it.
 

Just thought I would mention one positive outcome during the Iran hostage crisis. The CIA and my government worked together to save six American diplomats who had escaped being held hostage. Our Canadian diplomats hid them until Canadian passports could be arranged.
 
The Zionists use terror tactics, while crying anti Semitism to anyone else who behaves as they do. Fifty percent of my family is Jewish. Their response to Israeli policy is, not in my name!
 

Shalimar said:
Just thought I would mention one positive outcome during the Iran hostage crisis. The CIA and my government worked together to save six American diplomats who had escaped being held hostage. Our Canadian diplomats hid them until Canadian passports could be arranged.
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That was a great rescue. Kudos to the Canadian Embassy.
 
Shalimar said:
Just thought I would mention one positive outcome during the Iran hostage crisis. The CIA and my government worked together to save six American diplomats who had escaped being held hostage. Our Canadian diplomats hid them until Canadian passports could be arranged.
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Very true. There was Canadian involvement. Thank you for that! imp
 
Shalimar said:
The Zionists use terror tactics, while crying anti Semitism to anyone else who behaves as they do. Fifty percent of my family is Jewish. Their response to Israeli policy is, not in my name!
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Please explain, as I am unable to quite understand the meaning. Forgive my ignorance? imp
 
Shalimar said:
I am with you, Imp. Why is it that with many,Israel gets a free pass regardless of it's exceedingly dubious actions?
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But, you may not remain so. I did not mean to imply my disagreement, or agreement, with Israel's "first shot". Simply revealed the existence of that possibility. You have to remember, regardless of all other argument, that the Jews had been without a country of their own for a very long time. Given the opportunity to have one, entailed lasting and eternal vigilance against losing it. Thus, they defend mightily any possible presentation of consequence causing them to lose it. imp
 
Shalimar said:
I am with you, Imp. Why is it that with many,Israel gets a free pass regardless of it's exceedingly dubious actions?
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Sadly... it has NOTHING to do with the Israelis.. this love affair the American Right has with Israel... In fact.. the Religious Right sees the Jews has heathens that will be converted to Christianity on the final days.... The Israel obsession is based on the Bible and the final coming of Christ... So Israel must be defended and protected no matter WHAT crap they pull or what demand they make..
 
Interesting articles, Seabreeze, but there are many people not connected to the pro-Israel contingent who believe this has been a bad deal....and many democrats among them. It was a weak deal. We are not getting the freedom of American Hostages, there will be no inspections whenever they are wanted, in fact last I read, Iran said no to any inspections etc. Iran has been given billions of dollars just to come to the table to talk to us. Iran is getting the majority of the concessions. Iran is also known to be a supporter of terrorists, and tho there are many countries who are allies of the U.S, Iran is not known to be our ally...in fact they are known for saying "Death To America." For many years, Israel has been known to be our ally, until Pres. Obama became President.
 
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My view is this deal makes things more visible to the west. Like anything else these days it's obviously not everything we want but it's better than no deal.
 
Lon said:
Accepting the Deal is like Peeing in Bed------The Relief is only temporary---Eventually you must get up and change the bed.
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Well discounting your analogy, what is your solution Lon? No throwing stones at this unless you have a WORKABLE solution.
 
[h=1]WEEKLY ADDRESS: A Comprehensive, Long-Term Deal with Iran[/h]Source: White House

In this week's address, the President explained the comprehensive, long-term deal announced earlier this week that will prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. This agreement cuts off every pathway that Iran could take to develop a nuclear weapon, implements unprecedented monitoring and inspections of Iran’s key nuclear facilities, and ensures that if Iran violates these terms, the strict sanctions previously imposed on the country will snap back into place. This is a good deal that demonstrates that American diplomacy can bring about real and meaningful change that makes our country, and the world, safer and more secure.



Read more: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/weekly-address

This week, the United States and our international partners finally achieved something that decades of animosity has not – a deal that will prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

This deal will make America and the world safer and more secure. Still, you’re going to hear a lot of overheated and often dishonest arguments about it in the weeks ahead. So today, I want to take a moment to take those on one by one, and explain what this deal does and what it means.

First, you’ll hear some critics argue that this deal somehow makes it easier for Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon. Now, if you think it sounds strange that the United States, Great Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China, and some of the world’s best nuclear scientists would agree to something like that, you’re right. This deal actually closes off Iran’s pathway to a nuclear weapon. Today, Iran has enough nuclear material to produce up to 10 nuclear weapons. With this deal, they’ll have to ship 98% of that material out of the country – leaving them with a fraction of what it takes to make even one weapon. With this deal, they’ll have to repurpose two key nuclear facilities so they can’t produce materials that could be used for a nuclear weapon. So this deal actually pushes Iran further away from a bomb. And there’s a permanent prohibition on Iran ever having a nuclear weapon.

Second, you might hear from critics that Iran could just ignore what’s required and do whatever they want. That they’re inevitably going to cheat. Well, that’s wrong, too. With this deal, we will have unprecedented, 24/7 monitoring of Iran’s key nuclear facilities. With this deal, international inspectors will have access to Iran’s entire nuclear supply chain. The verification process set up by this deal is comprehensive and it is intrusive – precisely so we can make sure Iran keeps its commitments.

Third, you might hear from critics that Iran faces no consequences if it violates this deal. That’s also patently false. If Iran violates this deal, the sanctions we imposed that have helped cripple the Iranian economy – the sanctions that helped make this deal possible – would snap back into place promptly.

There’s a reason this deal took so long to negotiate. Because we refused to accept a bad deal. We held out for a deal that met every one of our bottom lines. And we got it.

Does this deal resolve all of the threats Iran poses to its neighbors and the world? No. Does it do more than anyone has done before to make sure Iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon? Yes. And that was our top priority from the start. That’s why it’s in everyone’s best interest to make sure this deal holds. Because without this deal, there would be no limits on Iran’s nuclear program. There would be no monitoring, no inspections. The sanctions we rallied the world to impose would unravel. Iran could move closer to a nuclear weapon. Other countries in the region might race to do the same. And we’d risk another war in the most volatile region in the world. That’s what would happen without this deal.

On questions of war and peace, we should have tough, honest, serious debates. We’ve seen what happens when we don’t. That’s why this deal is online for the whole world to see. I welcome all scrutiny. I fear no questions. As Commander-in-Chief, I make no apology for keeping this country safe and secure through the hard work of diplomacy over the easy rush to war. And on Tuesday, I’ll continue to press this case when I address the national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Because nobody understands the true cost of war better than those who’ve actually served in this country’s uniform.

We have before us an historic opportunity to pursue a safer, more secure world for our children. It might not come around again in our lifetimes. That’s why we’re going to seize it today – and keep America a beacon of hope, liberty, and leadership for generations to come.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/weekly-address


You know I see a lot of complaining about this deal, but none of those complaining have an alternative plan and I might add some of the complaints are nothing but fox news and facebook rhetoric.
 
AZ Jim said:
Well discounting your analogy, what is your solution Lon? No throwing stones at this unless you have a WORKABLE solution.
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If I had the power I would not accept any deal without immediate release of the American hostages that they hold and then let Iran make the next move and we respond accordingly.
 
Lon said:
If I had the power I would not accept any deal without immediate release of the American hostages that they hold and then let Iran make the next move and we respond accordingly.
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So you are ready to go to still another war in the middle East. No allies according to them, we go it alone. This is a play right out of thr George Bush playbook. Amazing! No wonder we are always somewhere in a damn war. War in this case is for would be participants to decide...not observers.
 
AZ Jim said:
So you are ready to go to still another war in the middle East. No allies according to them, we go it alone. This is a play right out of thr George Bush playbook. Amazing! No wonder we are always somewhere in a damn war. War in this case is for would be participants to decide...not observers.
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Why are you assuming there would be another war if we demand release of our hostages?
 
Lon said:
Why are you assuming there would be another war if we demand release of our hostages?
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What would be left? You end negotiations, the allies all go home, Iran continues with their nuke program, and the hostages are still in custody. You didn't leave many options, now it's sit down USA and shut up or we try to force the issue.
 
QS, sadly, my own evangelical Prime Minister falls into that group. On one of his many trips to visit his buddy Bibi, he carefully avoided bringing any of the moderate church leaders with him, including the United Church of Canada, our "state" church, which has been labeled by Zionist organisations such as the Wiesenthal Institute, as anti Israel, due to their boycott policy.
 
AZ Jim said:
What would be left? You end negotiations, the allies all go home, Iran continues with their nuke program, and the hostages are still in custody. You didn't leave many options, now it's sit down USA and shut up or we try to force the issue.
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I would support the U.S. threatening Iran with severe penalties like destroying some of their nuclear facilities if they do not immediately release the hostages. If push comes to shove we should do the pushing and stop avoiding what at some point in time would be a confrontation anyway. We should not be blackmailed into submission. If that sounds like war mongering then so be it. Peace at any price SUCKS.
 
Jackie22 said:
No matter where Einstein's strength lay, he was a genius and realized the futility of war and the advantages of understanding and negotiating.
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Exactly Jackie. Too many of oldsters are willing to send our young to these battles. We have done it in our entire history. When do we sit one out. I don't see the young, able bodied yearning to charge into Iran, it's always our old or those who for whatever reason won't be going who want to make that first move.
 
I think Albert Einstein was on point. Re his supposed lack of expertise, I think anyone of Jewish extraction, who personally experienced Nazi Germany, had an excellent grasp of the futility of war.
 

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