Do you claim a fish as your ancestor?

Murrmurr said:
In evolution, the "ancestral line" isn't one straight line that starts with an amoeba or a microbe whatever and ends with a modern day human. So far, scientists of evolution, archeology, and ancient history and ancestry have discovered dozens of ancestral lines that don't all connect to one beginning or even to each other. They've found various hominids and humanoids that don't share any DNA with each other.

There is nothing concrete in the study of evolution that proves where humans began. Lots of theories, no Holy Grail.
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The lineage back to water is well documented. But as you suggest (if I have this right), the idea that we directly evolved from fish is incorrect. We didn't. We're on different branches of the tree of life.
 

Grampa Don said:
Just to make a point. You don't have to be an atheist to believe in evolution. It's generally fundamentalists who deny it.
The Bible could be accepted as allegory, and many Christians do. Maybe evolution is how God works.
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It's a great point. For me, evolution is undoubted. It's a fact. But evolution doesn't not counter what's in the Bible. There is no reason to disbelieve the evolutionary process because one believes in God.
 
VaughanJB said:
The lineage back to water is well documented. But as you suggest (if I have this right), the idea that we directly evolved from fish is incorrect. We didn't. We're on different branches of the tree of life.
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Yes.

My other post was regarding to your comment "genetically, we can be traced back to fish".
We don't share DNA with fish. We don't have any of the same genes.
 

officerripley said:
Not only is it not my "idea" that water coded DNA, I'd never even heard of it 'till this thread (and still have no opinion on it). I think you've gotten me mixed up with someone else.
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My apologies for thinking that you believe DNA was coded in water via millions of statistically unlikely albeit extremely happy accidents.
 
Can one prove creation? Or evolution? No, of course not. I'm still trying to verify that I'm here, a weighty organism, and that I'm human.
And when you tell me that I'm talking crap, gobbledygook, then I say, right back atcha!
But it helps me to remember that any complex question can be simplified. Einstein said that we must ask the right question, paraphrased.
 
gruntlabor said:
But there was plenty of time for millions of unlikely accidents.
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I meant impossible accidents leading to life. Such as water coming up with information and then deciding to meticulously code it so it could be deciphered, and providing molecular machines to read and repair it. That requires forethought.
A careful and unbiased analyses of the actual situation shows that time would only serve to exacerbate the problems instead of fixing them. Similar to millions of mindless monkeys banging on typewrites attempting to accidentally produce the encyclopedia Americana. One monkey will be eternally ruining what the other monkey accidentally did. You are being very cunningly hoodwinked by fanatical theophobic atheists who are counting on your trust in their honesty which creates gullibility.

Here! See for yourself:


 
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Radrook said:
A careful and unbiased analyses of the actual situation shows that time would only serve to exacerbate the problems instead of fixing them. Similar to millions of mindless monkeys banging on typewrites attempting to accidentally produce the encyclopedia Americana. One monkey will be eternally ruining what the other monkey accidentally did. You are being very cunningly hoodwinked by fanatical theophobic atheists who are counting on your trust in their honesty which creates gullibility.
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I believe that. Thank you.
 
If there is a personal God, he would certainly be capable to putting thoughts into our heads, as experienced by Noah and others, or maybe by a bishop for the building of a cathedral.
 
Hey, if you use ancestry.com or one of those other programs to trace your own ancestry, your results partly show the percentage of your ancestors were what race, from what part of the world, etc. I've never used it personally, but have heard from others who do that a tiny percentage of most people is Neanderthal. It's even hard for me to absorb that idea! šŸ˜

But yes, I do believe in evolution. Facts are those things that are proven by science. Creation legends in the "holy books" of most religions are repetitions of ancient myths and fairy tales invented thousands of years ago by creative storytellers who didn't have science yet. "Truth" didn't have to be proven by the evidence, it just had to be uttered by some ancient sage, who the people were commanded to respect. The guiding principle was fear and repetition of ancient beliefs, not a genuine search for knowledge.
 
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